DefenseWins Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 see Bob Costas question about NFL players Corona risk factors at about the 4:05 mark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Haven't watched. Let me guess... He wants to cancel the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Bob Costas jumped the shark some time ago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Costas is right. With the amount of NFL players that, despite being athletes, would be considered obese by medical standards, they are taking a huge risk opting in to the NFL season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Haven't watched. Let me guess... He wants to cancel the season. I didn't watch either and my first thought was we were going to get some long winded response on why the NFL should cancel out. Bob Costas is all about keeping Bob Costas relevant after he got enough clout with "heavy hitting" sports interviews and stories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Great. Maybe next Captain Pink Eye there can explain to everyone the importance of washing our hands. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 For those of you who want to assume what Costas is advocating without listening to his comments, he doesn't advocate anything one way or the other. Rather he offers serious consideration for whether the NFL has a shot at succeeding with a full season, just by the nature of the sport, the size of rosters and trying to play in 32 venues. He further mentions that at least NFL players have a union to protect them as opposed to college players. All valid points. I love and miss football as much as anyone but I'll be shocked if this season isn't curtailed in length or marred by some tragedy. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) So what did he say? Edit: thanks for the summary? Edited July 31, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: So what did he say? Read my post just above yours. You're welcome! Edited July 31, 2020 by jkeerie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, jkeerie said: Read my post just above yours. We posted nearly at the same time, and I did, thanks ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 I wonder how many coaches and or players (OL in particular) will wind up on ventilators or just plain DEAD before some fans will start taking this virus seriously and give it the respect it deserves. This is a PANDEMIC we are faced with - NOT the effin common cold! We are all football fans but cmon these players are HUMAN BEINGS. Just because they play professional sports does not make them (or any of us for that matter) invincible.... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jkeerie said: For those of you who want to assume what Costas is advocating without listening to his comments, he doesn't advocate anything one way or the other. Rather he offers serious consideration for whether the NFL has a shot at succeeding with a full season, just by the nature of the sport, the size of rosters and trying to play in 32 venues. He further mentions that at least NFL players have a union to protect them as opposed to college players. All valid points. I love and miss football as much as anyone but I'll be shocked if this season isn't curtailed in length or marred by some tragedy. Give me one good reason why Bob Costas's opinion about this is worth listening to. Did he get a medical degree since I last checked on his bio? Edited July 31, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 he brings up a solid point in the secondary issues after having covid and the heart and how that impacts players that are overweight......might explain why Star is sitting out. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Beast said: Give me one good reason why Bob Costas's opinion about this is worth listening to. Did he get a medical degree since I last checked on hos bio? Costas is merely using common sense. Unless you're in denial about the seriousness of this pandemic, and the impact this virus can have on the human body, I think many would agree his points are valid. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 People watch CNN? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, DefenseWins said: I wonder how many coaches and or players (OL in particular) will wind up on ventilators or just plain DEAD before some fans will start taking this virus seriously and give it the respect it deserves. This is a PANDEMIC we are faced with - NOT the effin common cold! We are all football fans but cmon these players are HUMAN BEINGS. Just because they play professional sports does not make them (or any of us for that matter) invincible.... I agree with your sentiments, “some folk” here may not realize it but they come across as if they don’t give a ? about anyone or anything other than their “god dang constitutional right to be entertained”’ regardless of the consequences for anyone else, and the players should just shut up and entertain them, it is a massively F d up way to think. Sure hope I’m wrong on this but some of the stuff I’ve read here says otherwise. Let’s all hope for the best outcome for these young men and their families, and if we are real darned lucky we get to watch our guys play some football. Go Bills!!! 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said: People watch CNN? Likely the vast majority of the voting population of our country watches CNN at some point every week or more, in fact most well informed voters tune into multiple news sources to get an overall better understanding of various trains of thought... ya don’t learn much by only listening to one source of information. Go Bills!!! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Costas is merely using common sense. Unless you're in denial about the seriousness of this pandemic, and the impact this virus can have on the human body, I think many would agree his points are valid. Well, it seems like a whole lot of NFL players, staff, owners and league officials are in denial, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beast said: Well, it seems like a whole lot of NFL players, staff, owners and league officials are in denial, huh? Yup, denial is the word most would choose, you hit the nail on the head Beast. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Beast said: Well, it seems like a whole lot of NFL players, staff, owners and league officials are in denial, huh? It's not necessarily denial as much as risk acceptance. I think owners are thinking strictly about economics. For players I think it's some economics and their love of the game. Right now many players are willing to accept the risks. If we start seeing cases and transmission among players and teams, that may change. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I can’t wait for the 30 for 30 on this sports year someday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) I’m not really into debating anything Covid related anymore (so that’s not the intent of my comment), but the Costas comments did make me ponder a question. I’ve seen obesity among NFL players tossed around this forum quite a bit, but is the obesity rate among NFL players any higher than the general population? I kind of doubt it, pretty much the majority of America has the obesity risk factor going for them. At least obese pro athletes are physically active, which is more than you can say for many others. Edited August 1, 2020 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, jkeerie said: For those of you who want to assume what Costas is advocating without listening to his comments, he doesn't advocate anything one way or the other. Rather he offers serious consideration for whether the NFL has a shot at succeeding with a full season, just by the nature of the sport, the size of rosters and trying to play in 32 venues. He further mentions that at least NFL players have a union to protect them as opposed to college players. All valid points. I love and miss football as much as anyone but I'll be shocked if this season isn't curtailed in length or marred by some tragedy. Costas is too smart...we must hate him! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Likely the vast majority of the voting population of our country watches CNN at some point every week or more, in fact most well informed voters tune into multiple news sources to get an overall better understanding of various trains of thought... ya don’t learn much by only listening to one source of information. Go Bills!!! Ratings I have seen don’t reflect ‘the vast majority of the voting population’ watch CNN. Do you have any statistics to back up your statement? Edited August 1, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I’m not really into debating anything Covid related anymore (so that’s not the intent of my comment), but the Costas comments did make me ponder a question. I’ve seen obesity among NFL players tossed around this forum quite a bit, but is the obesity rate among NFL players any higher than the general population? I kind of doubt it, pretty much the majority of America has the obesity risk factor going for them. At least obese pro athletes are physically active, which is more than you can say for many others. In the video they quoted that by the current definition of obesity medically, 70 percent of NFL players would qualify. Their athleticism, while being a plus, could also be compromised. A nonathlete losing 5 to 10% of their lung capacity as an ongoing effect of Covid would not be impacted as negatively as an athlete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said: People watch CNN? National Enquirer has more credibility at this point. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beast said: Well, it seems like a whole lot of NFL players, staff, owners and league officials are in denial, huh? Yup, Correct on this one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beast said: Give me one good reason why Bob Costas's opinion about this is worth listening to. Did he get a medical degree since I last checked on his bio? Ugh. I don't remember you being so miserly last time around. I can't remember the last thread you posted that didn't have a veneer of anger, defensiveness, or cynicism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beast said: Give me one good reason why Bob Costas's opinion about this is worth listening to. Did he get a medical degree since I last checked on his bio? Wouldn't that make him over qualified then? The ones with the medical degrees seem to be getting ignored........ 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Another News Network told him that. Nope. Do you have ratings for where CNN ranks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 hours ago, jkeerie said: For those of you who want to assume what Costas is advocating without listening to his comments, he doesn't advocate anything one way or the other. Rather he offers serious consideration for whether the NFL has a shot at succeeding with a full season, just by the nature of the sport, the size of rosters and trying to play in 32 venues. He further mentions that at least NFL players have a union to protect them as opposed to college players. All valid points. I love and miss football as much as anyone but I'll be shocked if this season isn't curtailed in length or marred by some tragedy. There's no chance of a successful season. As soon as there is a positive test the team will be scratched, just like baseball. It's a joke. Nothing will be even close to normal until the election or a vaccine, which is also a real hoot, because the flu vaccine is roughly 40% effective. At this rate we all may as well take up fishing or bird watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 NFL players are only obese by clinical definitions. They regularly work their heart and lungs to rates unheard of by normal obese subjects. They dont have the same risks and are actually not obese. In short, most NFL athletes are freaks...and not high risk due to obesity. What is more concerning are the typical high risk factors out there sickle cell and other factors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Ratings I have seen don’t reflect ‘the vast majority of the voting population’ watch CNN. Do you have any statistics to back up your statement? what are these rating you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I'm not watching a media personality for medical advice. I have TBD for that ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: Wouldn't that make him over qualified then? The ones with the medical degrees seem to be getting ignored........ Fauci had a real bad look in the exchange with Jim Jordan yesterday. Im 100% for the protests, as I am people being able to open their businesses. However when Fauci picks and chooses who he will recommend shut down (churches, businesses etc) and can’t bring himself to say the massive gatherings of millions of people in the streets shouldn’t be shut down....well, that’s when you lose credibility with people like me, and further drive home the reasoning for why certain people didn’t trust him to begin with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Likely the vast majority of the voting population of our country watches CNN at some point every week or more, in fact most well informed voters tune into multiple news sources to get an overall better understanding of various trains of thought... ya don’t learn much by only listening to one source of information. Go Bills!!! Dead people watch CNN? 3 hours ago, DefenseWins said: I wonder how many coaches and or players (OL in particular) will wind up on ventilators or just plain DEAD before some fans will start taking this virus seriously and give it the respect it deserves. This is a PANDEMIC we are faced with - NOT the effin common cold! We are all football fans but cmon these players are HUMAN BEINGS. Just because they play professional sports does not make them (or any of us for that matter) invincible.... Nobody is holding a gun to their heads. They can opt out. If they play, I'll watch. I respect the decision either way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, DefenseWins said: I wonder how many coaches and or players (OL in particular) will wind up on ventilators or just plain DEAD before some fans will start taking this virus seriously and give it the respect it deserves. This is a PANDEMIC we are faced with - NOT the effin common cold! We are all football fans but cmon these players are HUMAN BEINGS. Just because they play professional sports does not make them (or any of us for that matter) invincible.... Dayum...and I thought getting Covid-19 was just like a mild case of the sniffles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, SCBills said: Fauci had a real bad look in the exchange with Jim Jordan yesterday. Im 100% for the protests, as I am people being able to open their businesses. However when Fauci picks and chooses who he will recommend shut down (churches, businesses etc) and can’t bring himself to say the massive gatherings of millions of people in the streets shouldn’t be shut down....well, that’s when you lose credibility with people like me, and further drive home the reasoning for why certain people didn’t trust him to begin with. I didn't see the exchange but I'm guessing Fauci's point was that the protests were outdoors (where the risk of transmission is said to be 1/20th what it is indoors), hence the higher risk of church gatherings, bars, restaurants, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, jkeerie said: For those of you who want to assume what Costas is advocating without listening to his comments, he doesn't advocate anything one way or the other. Rather he offers serious consideration for whether the NFL has a shot at succeeding with a full season, just by the nature of the sport, the size of rosters and trying to play in 32 venues. He further mentions that at least NFL players have a union to protect them as opposed to college players. All valid points. I love and miss football as much as anyone but I'll be shocked if this season isn't curtailed in length or marred by some tragedy. Dr. Bob and Dr. Never-treated COVID-19 Gupta both are opining recklessly. Has anyone seen an OL or DL up close? They're not obese. Most of them are the biggest human beings anyone will ever see, but they're not fat blobs. Listening to Bob you'd think Nate Newton's are all over the field. 3 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: People watch CNN? Sometimes in airports. Otherwise they trend to about 60% of what FoxNews attracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 2ForMacAdoo said: I didn't see the exchange but I'm guessing Fauci's point was that the protests were outdoors (where the risk of transmission is said to be 1/20th what it is indoors), hence the higher risk of church gatherings, bars, restaurants, etc. For the record, I think Fauci has been doing exactly what he should be doing... giving scientific/medical advice on an infectious disease. He’s not an economist, nor a politician and one side demonizes him for that, while the other side weaponizes what he says. However, my opinion of him definitely changed a bit after that exchange. Jim Jordan had Fauci admit that COVID was transmitted and spread during the protests. Jordan then asked Fauci if the government should recommend shutting down the protests (like they have businesses, churches, family gatherings, funerals etc..) and Fauci couldn’t do it. You’re either apolitical or you’re not, and in that exchange I saw a guy who is letting his political views cloud his medical judgment. Im not for shutting down protests, but I also am not an infectious disease expert who’s been making recommendations all over the place on everything that spreads COVID should be shut down. Edited August 1, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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