YoloinOhio Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 9 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I have high hopes for him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Its good to hear he is held in high regard. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I thought he made a big jump year 1 to year 2. The one thing I still want to see improve in year 3 is his lane discipline in the run game. I am not ever expecting him to be a beast against the run and that doesn't preclude him from being elite but I would just like to see him fit the right gaps more consistently if he can do that he is there. He is already elite as a linebacker against the pass. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Joe Marino had him ar #3 in the 2018 draft. The Bills were lucky he fell to a spot where they could trade up and get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Joe Marino had him ar #3 in the 2018 draft. The Bills were lucky he fell to a spot where they could trade up and get him. I had him at #8. Was genuinely stunned he fell to #16 or wherever it was we got him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I had him at #8. Was genuinely stunned he fell to #16 or wherever it was we got him. I was shocked that GB traded out. I thought for sure there was no way they could pass on Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 From memory as well it was an 8 man class at the top for me plus Allen who I would not have taken top 10 but knew someone would. I had Chubb Rosen, Darnold, Nelson, Saquon, Mayfield, Smith and Edmunds. To me there was a clear drop off after those 8 to the next tier of guys (which I had headed by Derwin James) and Rosen apart all of those 8 I think teams are pretty happy. That said Ward, McGlinchey and Fitzpatrick have all been good players (though Minkah not until traded to a better scheme fit) Davenport has had moments in New Orleans too. The three real misses ahead of Edmunds look like Rosen, Vitea Vea of the Buccs and Kolton Miller of the Raiders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Edmunds has certainly improved between 2018 and 2019, and he is not at his ceiling. He still needs improvement on run defense (had gap assignment issues last year) as well as situational understanding (I suspect he blew the assignment on the 3rd and 18 debacle against Houston where no one was covering the middle between the deep DBs and the D-line). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 he is around the age most kids get drafted into the NFL, and he has 2 full seasons and a road playoff game under his belt. sky is the limit when he enters his prime at 25/26. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) I think "elite" is a bit much, especially considering the author's evidence. Saying that he's generated the 13th most interceptions over his first 2 years since 2000 isn't a bad stat, but it's the only stat he has. He's not a prolific pass rusher or run stopper, and still makes some poor reads. He can still get there for sure, but I don't see Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, etc. level play just yet. Edited July 5, 2020 by BullBuchanan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 He has a long way to go to be elite. He was inconsistent last year but never played much better than above average. He still misdiagnoses plays and is late in many of his run fits. Until I'm proven otherwise I believe he would be in the top 3-5 OLB in the NFL. I hope he can crack top 10 MLB this year. He looks like he should be a great one but I'm not sure you can teach instincts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I think he needs to put on some bulk so he can be stronger in the more physical parts of the game. To me, that is the part of his play that needs to improve to make him an elite LB. The athleticism and game-smarts are there, just needs more power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: He has a long way to go to be elite. He was inconsistent last year but never played much better than above average. He still misdiagnoses plays and is late in many of his run fits. Until I'm proven otherwise I believe he would be in the top 3-5 OLB in the NFL. I hope he can crack top 10 MLB this year. He looks like he should be a great one but I'm not sure you can teach instincts. The other approach to this is Gunner Bill's. If he gets just a bit better at fitting his gaps in the running game he's elite. You say "long way to go." I say, "slightly better against the run, and he's there." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackFlutie said: The other approach to this is Gunner Bill's. If he gets just a bit better at fitting his gaps in the running game he's elite. You say "long way to go." I say, "slightly better against the run, and he's there." Yea you have to really understand the way he impacts the opponents passing game even on plays where he is nowhere near the ball. His range and athleticism take away passing lanes. He does that extremely well. He doesn't have to be a dominant player against the run to be elite. Just a consistent one. If he can be that with his pass defense skills he is an elite player. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 3:49 AM, GunnerBill said: From memory as well it was an 8 man class at the top for me plus Allen who I would not have taken top 10 but knew someone would. I had Chubb Rosen, Darnold, Nelson, Saquon, Mayfield, Smith and Edmunds. To me there was a clear drop off after those 8 to the next tier of guys (which I had headed by Derwin James) and Rosen apart all of those 8 I think teams are pretty happy. That said Ward, McGlinchey and Fitzpatrick have all been good players (though Minkah not until traded to a better scheme fit) Davenport has had moments in New Orleans too. The three real misses ahead of Edmunds look like Rosen, Vitea Vea of the Buccs and Kolton Miller of the Raiders. Vita Vea isn’t a miss, he’s anchoring a very underrated Bucs d line esp against the run Been saying Edmunds is a superstar since day one. He pops on screen and that’s hard to do in the NFL as a linebacker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Buffalo's QB spy..."time for you to run now" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Some really good young players give you the impression that they have limited upside, and can't really get all that much better than they are already. I get the opposite impression from Edmunds, that he has massive upside. If he reaches what I think is his true upside, he will have a hall of fame career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I loved the pick, and I think he’s been above average given his age. I am really really hoping given his size and speed they would move him around and blitz him more. I’ve said before I hope Vosean Joseph is up to speed and ready to play. Nothing would make me happier than on 3rd downs to see Vosean hop in the middle and Tremaine move to the edge area where he can blitz or drop off into coverage from the line. Just seems like it would make life extremely difficult on opposing offenses. I’m not sure of his pass rush skills but speed alone off the edge should do the trick on pressure and confusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 7:34 AM, GunnerBill said: I thought he made a big jump year 1 to year 2. The one thing I still want to see improve in year 3 is his lane discipline in the run game. I am not ever expecting him to be a beast against the run and that doesn't preclude him from being elite but I would just like to see him fit the right gaps more consistently if he can do that he is there. He is already elite as a linebacker against the pass. I agree. His decision making gets him in trouble sometimes. Takes the wrong lane of gets locked up and has difficulty shedding the block to get back in place as he took a wrong step at the snap. But last year he improved greatly with instincts. and he pursues and tackles well. Seems to be making the correct calls I think he is the long term answer in the McD/Frazier defense. His strength will always be pass D and and pursuit to the edges. love the Kid ! I suspect this years Defensive line will allow him some more big plays. Not elite . But he might get there : ) 33 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I loved the pick, and I think he’s been above average given his age. I am really really hoping given his size and speed they would move him around and blitz him more. I’ve said before I hope Vosean Joseph is up to speed and ready to play. Nothing would make me happier than on 3rd downs to see Vosean hop in the middle and Tremaine move to the edge area where he can blitz or drop off into coverage from the line. Just seems like it would make life extremely difficult on opposing offenses. I’m not sure of his pass rush skills but speed alone off the edge should do the trick on pressure and confusion. YES ! A LB who can fill the AB gaps and let Tremaine move around more would be great fun ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 So....Beane will now trade him, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: YES ! A LB who can fill the AB gaps and let Tremaine move around more would be great fun ! We had so much talk of replacing Lorax and his versatility before free agency and the draft I always wanted Edmunds to be the replacement. And I was pumped for the Joseph pick last year. Adding Klein is also huge. The D linemen are all versatile between end and DT. So it just makes perfect sense Edmunds can play the wildcard moving all over the defense. He’s clowneys size so teach that man a pass rush move or two and let the natural speed takeover the edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 6 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Vita Vea isn’t a miss, he’s anchoring a very underrated Bucs d line esp against the run Been saying Edmunds is a superstar since day one. He pops on screen and that’s hard to do in the NFL as a linebacker Miss might be harsh true. He can play. He was taken too high though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Rc2catch said: We had so much talk of replacing Lorax and his versatility before free agency and the draft I always wanted Edmunds to be the replacement. And I was pumped for the Joseph pick last year. Adding Klein is also huge. The D linemen are all versatile between end and DT. So it just makes perfect sense Edmunds can play the wildcard moving all over the defense. He’s clowneys size so teach that man a pass rush move or two and let the natural speed takeover the edge Is Vosean Joseph ready to play this year, or is he a career backup? He didn't get much, if any, playing time last year. Not sure if that is a red flag or there were other reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Happy said: Is Vosean Joseph ready to play this year, or is he a career backup? He didn't get much, if any, playing time last year. Not sure if that is a red flag or there were other reasons. Pretty sure they basically red shirted him and put him on IR in preseason if I remember correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Happy said: Is Vosean Joseph ready to play this year, or is he a career backup? He didn't get much, if any, playing time last year. Not sure if that is a red flag or there were other reasons. He was on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) Coming out of college, Vosean was seen as somewhat undersized, extremely athletic, but a bit undisciplined in his play. He would make big plays, but he's also find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time and allow a big play by the offense. I think the year off to let him mature was not necessarily a bad thing. Hopefully, they can get a good read on his development even though preseason games are in doubt. Edited July 6, 2020 by TigerJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 He’s only 22, most guys haven’t played a year in the NFL at that age, let alone 2. Complete athletic freak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 6:34 AM, GunnerBill said: I thought he made a big jump year 1 to year 2. The one thing I still want to see improve in year 3 is his lane discipline in the run game. I am not ever expecting him to be a beast against the run and that doesn't preclude him from being elite but I would just like to see him fit the right gaps more consistently if he can do that he is there. He is already elite as a linebacker against the pass. Yeah, Belichek sure knew how to exploit that once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yeah, Belichek sure knew how to exploit that once. Yep. The Eagles did too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I wouldnt say cusp...but he was a baby last year and he showed some elite level play at times. He is a physical specimen, thats for sure. If he has a good film room session and works on his technique this season he can be great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Motor26 said: He’s only 22, most guys haven’t played a year in the NFL at that age, let alone 2. Complete athletic freak. that to me is a huge factor when you talk about his game. Young, and he had his rookie "welcome to the NFL" type issues and as has been mentioned his run defense has not been elite. But the guy has Huge upside to his game and he is effective now. Just wait and see how much he can contribute as he gets older. He is specifically the kind of player you groom to Keep as not only the signal caller of the defense but athletic juggernaut. BRING IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 7:34 AM, GunnerBill said: I thought he made a big jump year 1 to year 2. The one thing I still want to see improve in year 3 is his lane discipline in the run game. I am not ever expecting him to be a beast against the run and that doesn't preclude him from being elite but I would just like to see him fit the right gaps more consistently if he can do that he is there. He is already elite as a linebacker against the pass. Totally agree. He’s still so young that these sort of issues had to be expected. I am looking forward to seeing him mature as a player. The sky really is the limit for him if he cleans up a few things - particularly his run fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Edmunds is to me the most underrated, overlooked player on the team. He is already playing like a top 10 LB for today's game...nothing is more important than PD's for a 3 down MLB, and he gets them in bunches. His early career deficiencies in the run game have been vastly improved upon. And he calls the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I would love to see ya use him more to blitz the QB. He has the size and speed to basically play anywhere on the defense minus maybe 1-Tech or CB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I don't get this. I have hopes for him and think he made progress last year, but I don't even think he qualifies as "great" or maybe even "very good" yet. Elite? Really? That's some real prognosticating. I sure hope so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't get this. I have hopes for him and think he made progress last year, but I don't even think he qualifies as "great" or maybe even "very good" yet. Elite? Really? That's some real prognosticating. I sure hope so. He sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't get this. I have hopes for him and think he made progress last year, but I don't even think he qualifies as "great" or maybe even "very good" yet. Elite? Really? That's some real prognosticating. I sure hope so. He isn't elite yet. But go and watch what he does to passing games even on plays that go nowhere near him. He takes lanes away with his range that force Quarterbacks to hold the ball and allows our rush to get there. He still has to get more consistent against the run with his gap fits and lane discipline. But what he does against the pass is already special and frankly it isn't the sort of thing you can teach someone. You have to have the elite physical gifts that Edmunds has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 9:30 AM, GunnerBill said: Yep. The Eagles did too. I really thought after the Philadelphia-Washington-Cleveland stretch where the Bill's run defense got gashed that the league had figured something out about the Bill's defense, I was very impressed that they were able to make adjustments and essentially shut down the opponent run game the rest of the year. I assume that at least some of the credit had to go to a more disciplined Edmunds (though probably most is due to Frazier and McDermott), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: I really thought after the Philadelphia-Washington-Cleveland stretch where the Bill's run defense got gashed that the league had figured something out about the Bill's defense, I was very impressed that they were able to make adjustments and essentially shut down the opponent run game the rest of the year. I assume that at least some of the credit had to go to a more disciplined Edmunds (though probably most is due to Frazier and McDermott), They definitely made some scheme adjustments, they also scored more (the best run defense is a potent offense) and Edmunds played some better games. There were a number of factors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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