Doc Brown Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Would cost around three million against the cap. Could be an upgrade at #2 TE if healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Love him when he played for the Canes. He's better than anyone we have at TE until Knox learns to catch. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think we have enough tight ends on this team already, and I'd like to see what the young ones (Knox, Sweeney, Croom) look like this fall before I start trading away draft choices for someone else's disgruntled guy (who hasn't proven a whole heck of a lot yet either). And also pay him $3M or more when we're trying to budget for future extensions 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 He would be our #1 TE. Yes. Yes. Yes. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 People get on Croom a lot but to me it looks like he has potential 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I would actually be interested if I were the Bills. I would look to trade Kroft and a 2021 fifth for him. The Browns get back a viable backup TE to replace the depth and pocket a pick. The Bills get a young TE who could work in tandem with Knox. BUT I doubt that they make the move. The FO seems to like Kroft for some reason and I do think they rightfully believe in Knox long term. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Make this happen. Njoku - TE 1 Knox - TE 2. ABSOLUTELY. Edited July 3, 2020 by MAJBobby 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Browns still would need a TE - trade one of our veteran ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I think we have enough tight ends on this team already, and I'd like to see what the young ones (Knox, Sweeney, Croom) look like this fall before I start trading away draft choices for someone else's disgruntled guy (who hasn't proven a whole heck of a lot yet either). And also pay him $3M or more when we're trying to budget for future extensions “We have enough tight ends”......wth is wrong with you people that say this? how many of those tight ends are GOOD? currently, none. knox has a chance to be, but when you drop 20% of your targets you aren’t good. kroft, Sweeney and croom are afterthoughts for most franchises imo. Smith is a glorified OL that commits as many penalties as minutes played. having “enough good tight ends” is what we should be striving for that being said, I’m not a big fan of Njoku. I don’t feel he is much better than Knox, if better at all.....but I feel he’s certainly better than the rest. I wouldn’t give up a 2-4th rd pick for him but I’d consider a 5th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: I would actually be interested if I were the Bills. I would look to trade Kroft and a 2021 fifth for him. The Browns get back a viable backup TE to replace the depth and pocket a pick. The Bills get a young TE who could work in tandem with Knox. BUT I doubt that they make the move. The FO seems to like Kroft for some reason and I do think they rightfully believe in Knox long term. Just the fact that they showed interest in Olsen tells me they aren't sold on Kroft (and possibly Knox). It's not out of the realm that Beane would take a low risk/high reward chance on a former first round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He would be our #1 TE. Yes. Yes. Yes. What would you be ok trading for him? i see people wanting to trade one of our TEs not named Knox and low picks. Assume the Browns don’t want any of those bum TEs, what round draft pick would you be ok trading for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: “We have enough tight ends”......wth is wrong with you people that say this? how many of those tight ends are GOOD? currently, none. knox has a chance to be, but when you drop 20% of your targets you aren’t good. kroft, Sweeney and croom are afterthoughts for most franchises imo. Smith is a glorified OL that commits as many penalties as minutes played. having “enough good tight ends” is what we should be striving for that being said, I’m not a big fan of Njoku. I don’t feel he is much better than Knox, if better at all.....but I feel he’s certainly better than the rest. I wouldn’t give up a 2-4th rd pick for him but I’d consider a 5th. Having a quantity of a position is worthless if the quality stinks. The TE position is by far the weakest on the team in my opinion. Knox is raw but could develop, Sweeney I see more as developing into a quality backup, Kroft is often hurt and nothing more than a JAG when out there and Lee Smith is a specialist who need dwindles and I am not sure how good he is at his specialty. Overall I think that if this team could land Njoku at a good price he would immediately improve the TE situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 With the salary cap likely to go down after this season if no fans , roll over as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think we already have our injured TE in Kroft and I have yet to see where Njoku is a huge upgrade for us. I would not hate move but I hope we trade him for a 5th or less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Just the fact that they showed interest in Olsen tells me they aren't sold on Kroft (and possibly Knox). It's not out of the realm that Beane would take a low risk/high reward chance on a former first round pick. They looked at Olsen before they restructured Kroft into his one year deal. I think they weren't completely sold on Kroft but didn't want to spend big either especially after Kroft took a cut in pay and had his deal expire after 2020. I would say a trade here is not impossible but unlikely. Edited July 3, 2020 by billsfan89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I think we have enough tight ends on this team already, and I'd like to see what the young ones (Knox, Sweeney, Croom) look like this fall before I start trading away draft choices for someone else's disgruntled guy (who hasn't proven a whole heck of a lot yet either). And also pay him $3M or more when we're trying to budget for future extensions Enough JAGS at TE. I would trade for Njoku in a heartbeat. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Having a quantity of a position is worthless if the quality stinks. The TE position is by far the weakest on the team in my opinion. Knox is raw but could develop, Sweeney I see more as developing into a quality backup, Kroft is often hurt and nothing more than a JAG when out there and Lee Smith is a specialist who need dwindles and I am not sure how good he is at his specialty. Overall I think that if this team could land Njoku at a good price he would immediately improve the TE situation. Agreed. Our TEs are weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I’d give a 4th and be ok tossing in a backup offensive lineman or one of the vet tight ends for him. I think Knox has Ertz kinda potential but if he’s hurt we have no more athleticism at tight end. Njoku has some big time potential as well. I also would not want him to go to help the other teams in the East. Darnold probably needs him and would use him more than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: What would you be ok trading for him? i see people wanting to trade one of our TEs not named Knox and low picks. Assume the Browns don’t want any of those bum TEs, what round draft pick would you be ok trading for him I'd start with a #4 and a #6. I might be tempted to part with a #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I would send a 3rd and not think twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Lee Smith has a 3.25 mil cap hit this year. You think the Browns would take Smith for Njoku, straight up???? Seriously, we need to give Knox and Sweeney a 2nd year to prove themselves. Rookies are just learning how to be pros. If they can't show improvement by their 2nd year, all bets are off. And Kroft and Croom need to prove they can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Lee Smith has a 3.25 mil cap hit this year. You think the Browns would take Smith for Njoku, straight up???? Seriously, we need to give Knox and Sweeney a 2nd year to prove themselves. Rookies are just learning how to be pros. If they can't show improvement by their 2nd year, all bets are off. And Kroft and Croom need to prove they can stay healthy. I’d give them a 4th round pick and I’d throw in Duke Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I'd start with a #4 and a #6. I might be tempted to part with a #3. I agree. Worth a 3 if necessary. The Bills have spent 3s on RB 2 years in a row.....and Knox. Before that Phillips and before that Adolphus Washington, John Miller, Preston Brown..... Yeah, I would next year's 3 go for Njoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: I’d give them a 4th round pick and I’d throw in Duke Williams A 4th may not be an option, because the Bills gave up their 2021 4th in the Diggs trade. So the Browns would have to wait for the 2022 4th, if they're okay with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Wonder why he wants out? would be an instant upgrade to that group. Edited July 3, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Wonder why he wants out? Austin Hooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yep, over every TE on this roster. All day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Browns still would need a TE - trade one of our veteran ones. I’d be completely willing to give them Knox for Njoku in a heartbeat. Knox has potential, but he’s a huge boom or bust type player. I’m not big on guys who are inconsistent, unreliable players, who stick on rosters because they have the potential to make big time plays. I’d rather have eleven guys who do their job 99.9% of the time Edited July 3, 2020 by SirAndrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: They looked at Olsen before they restructured Kroft into his one year deal. I think they weren't completely sold on Kroft but didn't want to spend big either especially after Kroft took a cut in pay and had his deal expire after 2020. I would say a trade here is not impossible but unlikely. The Bills could be outbid but the Browns would need depth at TE if they lose Njoku so trading Kroft and a 5th isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Maybe throw a 4th in 2022 to make it more enticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I’d be completely willing to give them Knox for Nkoku. I'd rather have both. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The Bills could be outbid but the Browns would need depth at TE if they lose Njoku so trading Kroft and a 5th isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Maybe throw a 4th in 2022 to make it more enticing. They drafted Bryant in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Next year's third round pick. Pick the phone up, get er' done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, White Linen said: They drafted Bryant in the 4th round. Stefanski's offense uses a two TE set 55% of the time so they could use all the depth they can get if they're forced to trade Njoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I'd rather have both. That would be ideal, but if they wanted Knox, I’d be willing to deal him. I just want some consistency at the TE position. Knox is a tough player for me to believe in. Learning to have good hands is something that doesn’t come easy. Knox was a liability in blocking at times as well. He has a lot to learn, and I hope he grows into a consistent player, but he wouldn’t be untouchable for me to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Njoku is 95% amazing athlete, 5% professional football player. He excelled in college because of his athletic qualities. He doesn't run routes or block particularly well. Is there talent there? Yes. Will the coaching staff have to teach him how to play football? Yes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, White Linen said: They drafted Bryant in the 4th round. If he's demanding to be traded because he's afraid of competition at his position, count me all the way out!! Lousy culture fit for the Bills. Let him go infect the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: That would be ideal, but if they wanted Knox, I’d be willing to deal him. I just want some consistency at the TE position. Knox is a tough player for me to believe in. Learning to have good hands is something that doesn’t come easy. Knox was a liability in blocking at times as well. He has a lot to learn, and I hope he grows into a consistent player, but he wouldn’t be untouchable for me to trade. Not to be a Debbie downer here but take a peak at Njokus catch % he’s quite inconsistent as well. He floats in the 50-60% range. Obviously more to catch %’s but I personally would never support trading Knox at this stage. Similar to Allen his ceiling is just too high to give up on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 We dont have a 4th and not sure I would be ok sending a 3rd. All for a 4th if we had it, and I think he could fetch a 4th from someone else. So what can we offer as I think a 3rd is too much before we truly know what we already have at TE. 5th 5th and additional late pick or future pick 5th and Sweeny 5th and Kroft 5th and Yeldon (since they lost Hunt) Not sure how any of those work cap wise, just thinking players off the top of my head. I would do any of those trades. But not sure I would feel good about a 3rd and going into next years draft without a 3rd and 4th round pick. But I do love the idea of a Knox Njoku pairing for years to come. Just the athleticism alone between them too would significantly impact all the other players on the team as they could really put a lot of pressure on the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: We dont have a 4th and not sure I would be ok sending a 3rd. All for a 4th if we had it, and I think he could fetch a 4th from someone else. So what can we offer as I think a 3rd is too much before we truly know what we already have at TE. 5th 5th and additional late pick or future pick 5th and Sweeny 5th and Kroft 5th and Yeldon (since they lost Hunt) Not sure how any of those work cap wise, just thinking players off the top of my head. I would do any of those trades. But not sure I would feel good about a 3rd and going into next years draft without a 3rd and 4th round pick. But I do love the idea of a Knox Njoku pairing for years to come. Just the athleticism alone between them too would significantly impact all the other players on the team as they could really put a lot of pressure on the defense. I just due the 3rd. His 5th year option is picked up so he is on contract next two years. That is why I would go to a third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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