NFL may have fans sign a waiver to attend games

[Just Jack]

19 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Jimmy pay the $85 and get the expedited line so you can leave you’re shoes and belt on, and leave you’re laptop in you’re briefcase.  Changed my life when I did it as I travel almost every week for work. 

 

Unless you live in New York because they refuse to share some DMV info with the TSA, so the TSA has blocked New Yorkers from applying and renewing any of the Trusted Traveler Programs. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

They could get out in front of it, pump in crowd noise like they are doing in Europe, make some sort of interactive fan platform (be creative), and overall stop being a joke. But it’s the NFL so they’ll surely bungle it.

 

Hey fans! Send us $29.95 and a headshot, and we’ll print it out and a cardboard figure to be placed in the stands all season, so you’ll be “at the game” without needing to be at the game!!! But wait, there’s more! For just an additional $15.95, get a second figure! Call now, operators are standing by!

[spartacus]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Each of the countries listed all were on major lockdown until the past week. Also the people wanting haircuts are not the ones getting Covid, it is the people who going into packed bars or other situations where many people are in small areas. It is amazing how often people spout off here with information without any idea what it means. Lastly NZ had "ended" Covid in their country and then once they released everyone from lock down it came back. It is as if the lockdown was not to flatten the curve but to score political points when we came out of lockdown. 

the hospitalization numbers surely show that we have been overwhelmed

the heads of the 4 major Houston hospital chains said exactly that

 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Each of the countries listed all were on major lockdown until the past week. Also the people wanting haircuts are not the ones getting Covid, it is the people who going into packed bars or other situations where many people are in small areas. It is amazing how often people spout off here with information without any idea what it means. Lastly NZ had "ended" Covid in their country and then once they released everyone from lock down it came back. It is as if the lockdown was not to flatten the curve but to score political points when we came out of lockdown. 

 

So 3 months instead of the 2 months I originally said? Ok, if that's what it wouldve taken to get back to normal, we should all still be willing to do it.

 

New Zealand re-opened a couple weeks ago. Below is their chart of new cases through yesterday. Where is the "come back"?

 

 

 

[SCBills]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Each of the countries listed all were on major lockdown until the past week. Also the people wanting haircuts are not the ones getting Covid, it is the people who going into packed bars or other situations where many people are in small areas. It is amazing how often people spout off here with information without any idea what it means. Lastly NZ had "ended" Covid in their country and then once they released everyone from lock down it came back. It is as if the lockdown was not to flatten the curve but to score political points when we came out of lockdown. 

The lockdown was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed.   
 

Nationally - We did that - Now it’s become something entirely different.  
 

People on both sides are making this political, and it’s hurting all of us... but it also is political, since the majority of this country is beholden to the media and can’t think for themselves.  
 

Now if you don’t mind, I’m going to go check out the CNN Coronavirus death tracker and let them tell me how I should feel and how Trump is to blame.  
 

Then, to counter act that,  I’ll flip over to Fox News to see them debate the merits of mask-wearing and ask aloud if they are needed and/or being used to hurt POTUS. 
 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by SCBills

[Orlando Tim]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So 3 months instead of the 2 months I originally said? Ok, if that's what it wouldve taken to get back to normal, we should all still be willing to do it.

 

New Zealand re-opened a couple weeks ago. Below is their chart of new cases through yesterday. Where is the "come back"?

 

 

 

The point with the European countries is that we are comparing completely different situations, they are where FL was on May 7th as far as reopening, we will compare their numbers in a few months. 

As for NZ I had seen a similar headline to this and did not look into details.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/28/new-zealands-covid-19-isolation-facilities-under-extreme-stress-review-finds

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

The point with the European countries is that we are comparing completely different situations, they are where FL was on May 7th as far as reopening, we will compare their numbers in a few months. 

As for NZ I had seen a similar headline to this and did not look into details.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/28/new-zealands-covid-19-isolation-facilities-under-extreme-stress-review-finds

This. 
 

What do people think will happen when NY re-opens to the level Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas etc have?   
 

Should NY just slow roll the re-opening until we have a vaccine?  
 

Thank goodness I moved to the South a few years ago because I’m afraid I know their answer to that.  
 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by SCBills

[Mike in Horseheads]

47 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Getting rid of Atkinson was stupid. I hope the Knicks pick him up and he develops their younger players. I fully agree that KD and Kyrie pairing is going to end in frustration for everyone. I think they make deep runs in the playoffs but stall out due to Kyrie's shaky health and KD taking time to recover from that massive injury.

Agree as a Nets fan on Atkinson.  NY Post today said that Steven A was blabbering that the Knicks might wait 1 year for Doc Rivers.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, LB3 said:

Don't forget "muh looting".

 

Supreme court has said money is cash is equivalent to freedom speech so looting is a form of political speech.

[Spiderweb]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

So the 20% of the population you trust are all Politicians and Doctors?  Otherwise your point makes no sense.

General population ....jeez, twist spin, manipulate...

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's a lot of fancy talk, and I'm an idiot, but I believe that says the waivers would be meaningless. Yes?

 

I'm sure the NFL knows that too.

 

 

And there are different rules in different states so this is just useless speculation.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I hope Herman Cain signed a waiver at Don's pep rally in Tulsa. He's in the hospital with Covid now.

[DrDawkinstein]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

The point with the European countries is that we are comparing completely different situations, they are where FL was on May 7th as far as reopening, we will compare their numbers in a few months. 

 

As for NZ I had seen a similar headline to this and did not look into details.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/28/new-zealands-covid-19-isolation-facilities-under-extreme-stress-review-finds

 

Well, you definitely didnt look into the details, or even click your own link.

 

That article is about the isolation facilities for people coming back into New Zealand being overwhelmed. Meaning, so many New Zealand citizens are coming back from vacation, they are running out of places to put them in order to maintain the quarantine period. That's it.

 

And it goes on to say this is a worry because "Country records biggest coronavirus case jump in two months after.... (pause for dramatic affect)... four returning travellers diagnosed"

 

FOUR! As in one, two, three, FOUR! FOUR new cases from outsiders and they are thinking about locking down again.

 

The US had 52,609 new cases YESTERDAY.

 

What this should show you is countries that took this seriously from the start, with citizens that acted properly, have been able to get this under control. We arent even CLOSE.

 

(Disclaimer: Now, I'll give you that the population and demographics of NZ are nothing like the US. They are a small island with sparse population. The entire country was already social distanced. But dont try to turn the way they successfully addressed the situation into something political. They followed the scientific recommendations, and the entire populace banded together to follow the rules and get their lives back.)

[Mickey]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's a lot of fancy talk, and I'm an idiot, but I believe that says the waivers would be meaningless. Yes?

 

I'm sure the NFL knows that too.

 

To go back to the original article in the first post of the thread, it just says the "NFL is considering". Which means nothing. It means it was brought up once in a brainstorming session and that's as far as it went because the league knows better.

 

Waivers aint gonna happen.

 

Folks need to get on board with doing what it takes to squelch our outbreak. There is no political or legal way around the virus. Only science.

 

You are correct sir. It can get complicated by many other factors but essentially, the waivers may very well be unenforceable. 

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Well, you definitely didnt look into the details, or even click your own link.

 

That article is about the isolation facilities for people coming back into New Zealand being overwhelmed. Meaning, so many New Zealand citizens are coming back from vacation, they are running out of places to put them in order to maintain the quarantine period. That's it.

 

And it goes on to say this is a worry because "Country records biggest coronavirus case jump in two months after.... (pause for dramatic affect)... four returning travellers diagnosed"

 

FOUR! As in one, two, three, FOUR! FOUR new cases from outsiders and they are thinking about locking down again.

 

The US had 52,609 new cases YESTERDAY.

 

What this should show you is countries that took this seriously from the start, with citizens that acted properly, have been able to get this under control. We arent even CLOSE.

 

(Disclaimer: Now, I'll give you that the population and demographics of NZ are nothing like the US. They are a small island with sparse population. The entire country was already social distanced. But dont try to turn the way they successfully addressed the situation into something political. They followed the scientific recommendations, and the entire populace banded together to follow the rules and get their lives back.)

I actually admitted previously I  had NOT read enough about NZ and I thought they were in worse shape due to the headline till I read the article fully, that was my mistake. I will state I am familiar with Florida because it is where I and several of my elderly relatives live so I keep myself on top of the numbers.

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

So the 20% of the population you trust are all Politicians and Doctors?  Otherwise your point makes no sense.

Wow, strawman much?

[aristocrat]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Well, you definitely didnt look into the details, or even click your own link.

 

That article is about the isolation facilities for people coming back into New Zealand being overwhelmed. Meaning, so many New Zealand citizens are coming back from vacation, they are running out of places to put them in order to maintain the quarantine period. That's it.

 

And it goes on to say this is a worry because "Country records biggest coronavirus case jump in two months after.... (pause for dramatic affect)... four returning travellers diagnosed"

 

FOUR! As in one, two, three, FOUR! FOUR new cases from outsiders and they are thinking about locking down again.

 

The US had 52,609 new cases YESTERDAY.

 

What this should show you is countries that took this seriously from the start, with citizens that acted properly, have been able to get this under control. We arent even CLOSE.

 

(Disclaimer: Now, I'll give you that the population and demographics of NZ are nothing like the US. They are a small island with sparse population. The entire country was already social distanced. But dont try to turn the way they successfully addressed the situation into something political. They followed the scientific recommendations, and the entire populace banded together to follow the rules and get their lives back.)

people were talking it seriously until a few weeks ago and then 5 million people stopped social distancing 

[Buffaloflash]

8 hours ago, Greg S said:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/nfl-may-make-fans-sign-coronavirus-liability-waivers/

 

So much for that normal season the league was hoping to have.

Makes perfect sense!

[machine gun kelly]

Flash, like the reference and it was stupid not even B movie, but C movie, but still liked it when I was a kid.  I think the actor was in one of the Ted movies (Sam something).  Besides, it had to be the only Queen movie song I can remember.  They may have been quirky, but they were good.

[PetermansRedemption]

It’s pretty great that every thread these days turns into a coronavirus pissing match between ultimate freedom vs freedom restrictions. A nice microcosm of the US population. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

It would be practically shocking if they didn’t take this most basic step under the circumstances. That said, if a fan could actually prove causation + negligence (poss. gross needed, and that’s a very high burden to prove) on the part of the venue, the waiver may not be worth anything (individual state laws will differ on this point) as far as protecting the league/venue per occurrence, imho. Instructive here would be looking at MLB’s experiences with foul ball injuries in the stands/protective netting/injury waivers printed on tix. 

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

It’s pretty great that every thread these days turns into a coronavirus pissing match between ultimate freedom vs freedom restrictions. A nice microcosm of the US population. 

Why can’t we just be rational and have constant PSA’s about distancing/washing hands/masks, mandates for indoor use of masks, along with capacity guidelines AND also let people live their lives should they choose to do so?

 

I say this by acknowledging those who should stay home, should stay home, and we should recognize that fiscally.  
 

Im sure the NFL will have plenty of safety guidelines in place.  If I want to sign a waiver to go to an outdoor stadium (for the most part) why can’t I?... especially when I can protest in massive crowds and/or stand in lines at crowded grocery stores? 
 

I hate to see how so many are so ok with bowing down to whatever the government and/or their media tells them.    Some stuff, especially outdoors stuff, is ok - lets take a step back and stop being paralyzed by fear and/or unwarranted obedience.  

 

Same goes for the anti-mask idiots. 
 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by SCBills

[jimmy10]

18 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

It’s pretty great that every thread these days turns into a coronavirus pissing match between ultimate freedom vs freedom restrictions. A nice microcosm of the US population. 

Only one side of that equation decided to make it a pissing match. 

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Agree as a Nets fan on Atkinson.  NY Post today said that Steven A was blabbering that the Knicks might wait 1 year for Doc Rivers.

 

Rivers isn't leaving a Clippers team with a Big 2 and good organizational structure in place. The Clippers will have at least 2 to 3 more years of championship opportunities and Rivers isn't leaving to go to the Knicks.

 

The Knicks need a coach who can develop young talent. Atkinson is exactly that. Give Kenny Atkinson three seasons of a hard rebuild and they will see results.

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

have a feeling the Knicks screw up and grab tibs.  He had exactly what the Knicks are trying to build when he was in Minnesota.....and he was terrible.  Is he going to build a team of 33 year old free agents that’ll respect him and give it their all?   I don’t see why anyone would hire Tibs as a HC after what happened in Minnesota and to a lesser degree in Chicago.  He was built on the coattails of Danny Ainge/Doc putting together that 2008 team imo. 

 

My buddy thinks KD will miss the first half of next season, if not more.

 

Thibs would be the absolute worst hire. I thought Thibs was a good coach in Chicago got a lot out of a team that lost an MVP due to injury. I actually thought he would have worked in Minny bringing in Butler to help KAT and get Wiggins into gear.

 

But Thibs proved in Minny he can't handle younger players and he doesn't know how to not overplay starters. The Knicks need a development guru not a guy who can't work with younger players. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Rivers isn't leaving a Clippers team with a Big 2 and good organizational structure in place. The Clippers will have at least 2 to 3 more years of championship opportunities and Rivers isn't leaving to go to the Knicks.

 

The Knicks need a coach who can develop young talent. Atkinson is exactly that. Give Kenny Atkinson three seasons of a hard rebuild and they will see results.

 

Thibs would be the absolute worst hire. I thought Thibs was a good coach in Chicago got a lot out of a team that lost an MVP due to injury. I actually thought he would have worked in Minny bringing in Butler to help KAT and get Wiggins into gear.

 

But Thibs proved in Minny he can't handle younger players and he doesn't know how to not overplay starters. The Knicks need a development guru not a guy who can't work with younger players. 

Agreed.  

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Irv said:

So, NY can't have fans.  Other states can have fans.  Wrecks any home field advantage for Bills.  Thanks Cuomo!  Another spit in the eye for Upstate. 

4 of their 6 losses were at home last year.

[Franco_92]

9 hours ago, iinii said:

A full season that crowns a champ? Business as usual? And what do you own? Is this a money bet or a line bet? 

"It's fun to pretend there will be a season this year."

"I'd bet you anything I own there'll be a season this fall."

He set the bet by laughing off the idea that football will happen. I'm betting that an NFL season will happen. I don't pretend to know the way it will happen, the way he's pretending to know there won't be any football this fall. So we'll see what he stumbles to from there.

[major]

[LB3]

On 7/2/2020 at 3:57 PM, aristocrat said:

people were talking it seriously until a few weeks ago and then 5 million people stopped social distancing 

Fake news. Rioting didn't cause the uptick. Rioting makes you immune.

[SirAndrew]

On 7/2/2020 at 5:31 PM, SCBills said:

Why can’t we just be rational and have constant PSA’s about distancing/washing hands/masks, mandates for indoor use of masks, along with capacity guidelines AND also let people live their lives should they choose to do so?

 

I say this by acknowledging those who should stay home, should stay home, and we should recognize that fiscally.  
 

Im sure the NFL will have plenty of safety guidelines in place.  If I want to sign a waiver to go to an outdoor stadium (for the most part) why can’t I?... especially when I can protest in massive crowds and/or stand in lines at crowded grocery stores? 
 

I hate to see how so many are so ok with bowing down to whatever the government and/or their media tells them.    Some stuff, especially outdoors stuff, is ok - lets take a step back and stop being paralyzed by fear and/or unwarranted obedience.  

 

Same goes for the anti-mask idiots. 
 

 

Yeah, people have turned to a vaccine as the answer that ends it all, with the assumption that one will be ready very soon. The cold reality is that it could be years away. You look at it differently if you aren’t making the assumption we have a vaccine before the 2021 or 2022 NFL season. There’s a chance the 2021 season will be no different than 2020 on that front. At what point must the show go on ? All of our actions are being based on the assumption of a vaccine becoming available quickly. In reality, it isn’t some sure thing before herd immunity is achieved. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Irv]

On 7/2/2020 at 9:59 PM, Mr. WEO said:

4 of their 6 losses were at home last year.

Had you cheered a little harder that would not have been the case.  Shame on you. 

On 7/2/2020 at 12:05 PM, RiotAct said:

not sure if serious or a poor attempt at sarcasm?

You obviously don’t live in NY.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/2/2020 at 6:34 AM, Greg S said:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/nfl-may-make-fans-sign-coronavirus-liability-waivers/

 

So much for that normal season the league was hoping to have.

 

So the source for this NY Post article is "According to a Report by the Athletic"

 

One news media citing a "report" in another news media as their source, warning sign of a possible "nothingburger"

 

So let's look at the Athletic article. 

https://theathletic.com/1904561/2020/07/01/nfl-may-ask-fans-to-sign-covid-19-liability-waivers-to-attend-games/

It cites "sources" and a "source familiar with plans from a stadium reopening working group", and that it's a proposal this group may forward to clubs.

I think that makes it a long way from a sure thing.

 

The NFL is considering requiring fans attending games this season to sign liability waivers shielding the teams from COVID-19 lawsuits, sources said.  The waiver proposal is likely to be forwarded to clubs by the middle of next week as part of a broad range of league recommended best practices for re-opening stadiums amid the coronavirus pandemic. 

“It is probably something you do electronically, just trying to figure out the operational challenges associated with waivers,” said one source familiar with plans under development by the stadium reopening working group headed by NFL Sr. VP of Security Cathy Lanier. “Just have to work out how best to do that.”

The league has said almost from the beginning of the pandemic that it expects to play its season as normally as possible. Teams are preparing for a range of scenarios, from no fans to nearly full stadiums, and the NFL is leaving those choices to the clubs and local health authorities.

 

On several groups I frequent, every time a liability waiver is brought up, lawyers out themselves and tell us they don't really mean anything, and the parties mandating the waiver can still be sued.

 

Is a waiver worth anything?  I don't know.  If the stadium takes precautions in keeping with the best public health advice currently available - ensures that all fans are wearing a mask when they enter, clearly communiciates expectations for behavior, spatially distances seating, whatever other precautions they can take to reduce density - maybe?

If the football game turns into a super-spreader event and my Granny who signed no waiver gets infected and dies as a result of being cared for by a friend of a friend who was there, can I sue?  If she can't get the best medical care because the hospitals are overwhelmed and contact tracing indicates the game was a major spreading event?  ?‍♀️

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/2/2020 at 4:31 PM, SCBills said:

Why can’t we just be rational and have constant PSA’s about distancing/washing hands/masks, mandates for indoor use of masks, along with capacity guidelines AND also let people live their lives should they choose to do so?

 

I say this by acknowledging those who should stay home, should stay home, and we should recognize that fiscally. 

 

Here's the problem I have with this "let people live their lives should they choose to do so" line of thought. 

 

It has been shown, over and over again, that it very difficult to protect vulnerable groups from transmission of a widely circulating epidemic disease.  Nonetheless, their risk can be minimized - but not by simply saying "stay home if you're part of that group" or even giving such groups a living allowance.  They need groceries, they need medical care, they need personal care, they need other services. 

That means that effective measures to control and contain disease among those PROVIDING those services need to be taken.

Are we taking such measures to an appropriate degree?  No.  No, we are not, not even for the most obviously and markedly vulnerable groups.  Congregate living facilities (nursing home, long term care home, assisted living home) employees, ombudsmen and watchdog groups will tell you that in many parts of the country employees of such facilities still are not given adequate PPE, regular testing, paid time off to quarantine pending test results, paid sick time to encourage them to stay home while ill etc etc.  Instead, such facilities are being GIVEN liability protection, without any mandate to implement effective measures to protect their patients.

 

And that's not even getting to the people who are living in private apartments and homes, but who still need groceries.

 

We are not islands.  What we do affects our families, friends, and neighbors,  It's Not Just You.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

On 7/3/2020 at 10:51 AM, major said:

 

Where did you get a NFLPA pen?  Jason Peter's agent had one of them and uses it every day now until end of eternity.

[SirAndrew]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Here's the problem I have with this "let people live their lives should they choose to do so" line of thought. 

 

It has been shown, over and over again, that it very difficult to protect vulnerable groups from transmission of a widely circulating epidemic disease.  Nonetheless, their risk can be minimized - but not by simply saying "stay home if you're part of that group" or even giving such groups a living allowance.  They need groceries, they need medical care, they need personal care, they need other services. 

That means that effective measures to control and contain disease among those PROVIDING those services need to be taken.

Are we taking such measures to an appropriate degree?  No.  No, we are not, not even for the most obviously and markedly vulnerable groups.  Congregate living facilities (nursing home, long term care home, assisted living home) employees, ombudsmen and watchdog groups will tell you that in many parts of the country employees of such facilities still are not given adequate PPE, regular testing, paid time off to quarantine pending test results, paid sick time to encourage them to stay home while ill etc etc.  Instead, such facilities are being GIVEN liability protection, without any mandate to implement effective measures to protect their patients.

 

And that's not even getting to the people who are living in private apartments and homes, but who still need groceries.

 

We are not islands.  What we do affects our families, friends, and neighbors,  It's Not Just You.

 

 

“Stay home if you’re part of that group” also doesn’t work because people who work with vulnerable populations need to buy groceries. Every time someone chooses to make a “political statement” by not wearing a mask, they could potentially kill dozens of people by infecting a health care worker. Sometimes I feel awkward being out wearing a mask amongst all the non mask wearing people. Believe what you want, but I don’t understand why the mask thing has become a political debate. It has nothing to do with politics.   It’s simply a rule right now to keep us safe, I don’t see people running around openly protesting other such rules. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by SirAndrew

[T master]

In todays world this will become the norm there is someone out there that will try it anyway because of some BS reason just to try to cash in but turn their responsibility to what ever team they choose to go see probably the Redskins even if they change their name just because of all the hurt they caused by the name ! 

 

Then coming very soon they will be giving out a trophy for all teams that didn't win the lombardi but did participate in the season so no one will feel less than each other it's only right ...

[KD in CA]

I had to sign a waiver to play tennis this morning.  Not a whole lot of interaction within six feet in that game.
 

It’s just CYA so you can’t sue someone for getting COVID.  You’ll probably need to start signing them to enter buildings once the lockdown ends.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

I had to sign a waiver to play tennis this morning.  Not a whole lot of interaction within six feet in that game.
 

It’s just CYA so you can’t sue someone for getting COVID.  You’ll probably need to start signing them to enter buildings once the lockdown ends.

 

Lockdown has been ended for some time?  

[Just Jack]

On 7/4/2020 at 11:35 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The NFL is considering requiring fans attending games this season to sign liability waivers shielding the teams from COVID-19 lawsuits, sources said.  The waiver proposal is likely to be forwarded to clubs by the middle of next week as part of a broad range of league recommended best practices for re-opening stadiums amid the coronavirus pandemic. 

“It is probably something you do electronically, just trying to figure out the operational challenges associated with waivers,” said one source familiar with plans under development by the stadium reopening working group headed by NFL Sr. VP of Security Cathy Lanier. “Just have to work out how best to do that.”

 

So if they have the season ticket holder on record sign the waiver, then said STH sells their seats to someone else that did not sign a waiver, can they still sue? I guess we'll find out if/when it happens. 

 

[LB3]

10 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

So if they have the season ticket holder on record sign the waiver, then said STH sells their seats to someone else that did not sign a waiver, can they still sue? I guess we'll find out if/when it happens. 

 

I wonder if they could build the waiver into the ticket. Use of ticket acts as a signed waiver.

[Gordio]

On 7/4/2020 at 11:35 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So the source for this NY Post article is "According to a Report by the Athletic"

 

One news media citing a "report" in another news media as their source, warning sign of a possible "nothingburger"

 

So let's look at the Athletic article. 

https://theathletic.com/1904561/2020/07/01/nfl-may-ask-fans-to-sign-covid-19-liability-waivers-to-attend-games/

It cites "sources" and a "source familiar with plans from a stadium reopening working group", and that it's a proposal this group may forward to clubs.

I think that makes it a long way from a sure thing.

 

The NFL is considering requiring fans attending games this season to sign liability waivers shielding the teams from COVID-19 lawsuits, sources said.  The waiver proposal is likely to be forwarded to clubs by the middle of next week as part of a broad range of league recommended best practices for re-opening stadiums amid the coronavirus pandemic. 

“It is probably something you do electronically, just trying to figure out the operational challenges associated with waivers,” said one source familiar with plans under development by the stadium reopening working group headed by NFL Sr. VP of Security Cathy Lanier. “Just have to work out how best to do that.”

The league has said almost from the beginning of the pandemic that it expects to play its season as normally as possible. Teams are preparing for a range of scenarios, from no fans to nearly full stadiums, and the NFL is leaving those choices to the clubs and local health authorities.

 

On several groups I frequent, every time a liability waiver is brought up, lawyers out themselves and tell us they don't really mean anything, and the parties mandating the waiver can still be sued.

 

Is a waiver worth anything?  I don't know.  If the stadium takes precautions in keeping with the best public health advice currently available - ensures that all fans are wearing a mask when they enter, clearly communiciates expectations for behavior, spatially distances seating, whatever other precautions they can take to reduce density - maybe?

If the football game turns into a super-spreader event and my Granny who signed no waiver gets infected and dies as a result of being cared for by a friend of a friend who was there, can I sue?  If she can't get the best medical care because the hospitals are overwhelmed and contact tracing indicates the game was a major spreading event?  ?‍♀️

 

 

 

 

 

Do you consider the protests a public safety hazard in what you described above.  If not I would be interested in hearing your reasons why.