Drew Brees: Controversial comments

[Billl]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

My problem with Colin kneeling was never his protest it was him wearing Che’ Guevara T-shirts...for those don’t remember history Che’ ironically used secret police to stomp down opponents and many times throw them in jail or worse...so dude was a massive massive hypocrite more then anything  

There are two types of people who bring up Che in these discussions.

 

Type 1) SUPER WOKE liberals who think he was too far to the right

 

Type 2) Conservative talk radio listeners who don’t know anything about him but are socially conditioned to unironically spit talking points without realizing that criticizing him undermines their own platform

29 minutes ago, Tcali said:

They have a right to kneel.But people cant also think they are spoiled rich punks. 

And when everyone kneels and puts pressure on others to do the same that is not bravery at all.

 

People really dont want to be lectured to by kids playing a kids game. Do I support their right to do it ? yes

right on Augie...Hiopefully some day minorities will realize that the social justice warriors kissing their arses are like the flatterers that Dante talks about in his writings.Phonies all of them.

Well said.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Why is Drew Brees not a good person?   I personally do not know a lot about the man.  He sure has been an iconic figure in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina.   And didn't he and his wife donate a ton of money to help fight the Corona Virus in Louisiana?  He comes off as a good family man kind of guy.  Great football player, leader on the team.  What am I missing?   He certainly has a right to be against people not standing for the National Anthem.  And for the life of me I can not see why that view would be considered racist in the slightest.  Americans should all be patriotic.  Doesn't matter what color race religion you are.  This is the greatest country in the world.  And I am wayyyy fukin proud whenever I see the Stars and Stripes flying, whether from the back of a car, someone's house, or from a building, anywhere!! It is for ALL Americans of all walks of life and all races.  And if people have a problem with loving the American Flag and all that it stands for, I have a big problem with you.  Don't burn it, don't desecrate it, don't disrespect it.  Period.  The American flag does not discriminate.  It loves all who are Americans.  

 

This is a GREAT country.  It is not a perfect country. (there is no such thing)  Sure there are some bad cops.  And some are racist.  Similar to the rest of society.  And the cops in Minnesota certainly deserved to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for the horrible crime they committed against George Floyd.  It was absolutely despicable. But that in no way diminishes our country and the good that the overwhelming majority of people stand for and believe in every day regardless of their color.  Not the anarchy that has enveloped many areas by a small portion of misguided souls.  Because regardless of what the media wants to portray on the news and all other platforms,  the overwhelming majority of people just want to live their lives, stay healthy and make a god dam living.   

    

Brees has done a lot of good. He’s incredibly charitable. He has donated a lot to a lot of different causes. He’s one of the most important people in the history of New Orleans.

 

He’s also manufactured. Brees is a politician; his actions are always self-serving. There are certain things that I’m not going to get into that would change people’s perception of him. He plays the role of the good, Christian leader well. Brees’ image is (or has been to this point) pretty immaculate. Brees the person, is not that. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

50 minutes ago, Tcali said:

Hopefully some day minorities will realize that the social justice warriors kissing their arses are like the flatterers that Dante talks about in his writings.  Phonies all of them.

 

I get your reference!

[StHustle]

44 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

We really do have a long way to go, that’s certainly true. I hate this thread, because I hate the reality....but do you really think racism does not go both ways? I’m hoping I misunderstood, honestly.

 

I can give countless situations where I or my family were disadvantaged, endangered or threatened because of the color of our white skin. Anything from AAU basketball to regularly doing community work in underprivileged neighborhoods where I was threatened to a guy I previously liked at work telling me he was getting a Pitt to put fear in the eyes of guys like me. 

 

This is a mess, and I’m bowing out here for now. 

 

Maybe this will help you understand a tad better. I am a black man. Im 37 and spent my whole life in America. EVERY TIME I am around my fellow black people and negativity is spoken against white people, it's in regard to OPPRESSION in one way or another. ALWAYS. Literally 100% is is anger filled speech about us being done wrong.

 

Now let's look into hate speech from white people about blacks? MUCH DIFFERENT. We are viewed as inferior humans if even considered a human at all. Many look at us as animals. You are white and I dont need to go into any further detail because you know exactly what Im talking about. 

 

What you call 'racism' from black people is born out of anger from white racism. Therefore they can NEVER be considered the same thing. Many whites love to believe its the same to help them feel better about themselves. 

 

Last thing to ponder, and I would like your honest feedback. When a black man in slavery times, was just lying helpless and bleeding on the ground, gets up and goes to the other slaves and expresses hatred for the white man who just beat him with the whip, is that not reasonable? Is it the same as the white slave owner who goes back in the house to share a chuckle with his wife on how he just had the n****** squirming and screaming?

[Billl]

Blacks speak against whites out of oppression
 

Whites speak against blacks out of inconvenience

 

The power structure in this country has made it such that blacks in America are incapable of oppressing whites.

6 minutes ago, StHustle said:

When a black man in slavery times, was just lying helpless and bleeding on the ground, gets up and goes to the other slaves and expresses hatred for the white man who just beat him with the whip, is that not reasonable? Is it the same as the white slave owner who goes back in the house to share a chuckle with his wife on how he just had the n****** squirming and screaming?

Couldn’t that slave just learn to take a joke? /s

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Maybe this will help you understand a tad better. I am a black man. Im 37 and spent my whole life in America. EVERY TIME I am around my fellow black people and negativity is spoken against white people, it's in regard to OPPRESSION in one way or another. ALWAYS. Literally 100% is is anger filled speech about us being done wrong.

 

Now let's look into hate speech from white people about blacks? MUCH DIFFERENT. We are viewed as inferior humans if even considered a human at all. Many look at us as animals. You are white and I dont need to go into any further detail because you know exactly what Im talking about. 

 

What you call 'racism' from black people is born out of anger from white racism. Therefore they can NEVER be considered the same thing. Many whites love to believe its the same to help them feel better about themselves. 

 

Last thing to ponder, and I would like your honest feedback. When a black man in slavery times, was just lying helpless and bleeding on the ground, gets up and goes to the other slaves and expresses hatred for the white man who just beat him with the whip, is that not reasonable? Is it the same as the white slave owner who goes back in the house to share a chuckle with his wife on how he just had the n****** squirming and screaming?

Plus nobody told dude it’s 2020 and minority wives aren’t g passes anymore.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Maybe this will help you understand a tad better. I am a black man. Im 37 and spent my whole life in America. EVERY TIME I am around my fellow black people and negativity is spoken against white people, it's in regard to OPPRESSION in one way or another. ALWAYS. Literally 100% is is anger filled speech about us being done wrong.

 

Now let's look into hate speech from white people about blacks? MUCH DIFFERENT. We are viewed as inferior humans if even considered a human at all. Many look at us as animals. You are white and I dont need to go into any further detail because you know exactly what Im talking about. 

 

What you call 'racism' from black people is born out of anger from white racism. Therefore they can NEVER be considered the same thing. Many whites love to believe its the same to help them feel better about themselves. 

 

Last thing to ponder, and I would like your honest feedback. When a black man in slavery times, was just lying helpless and bleeding on the ground, gets up and goes to the other slaves and expresses hatred for the white man who just beat him with the whip, is that not reasonable? Is it the same as the white slave owner who goes back in the house to share a chuckle with his wife on how he just had the n****** squirming and screaming?

 

I’m not ducking you in any way, it’s just getting way too late for me tonight. I actually like the idea of this discussion.  Hope it’s OK if I get back to you tomorrow. It’s hard for me to get too deep right now. I have no idea where you get the idea you are looked at as “less than” anyone else. 

 

I have opinions, which is all any of us have. I’m happy to hear yours, I hope you will be open to mine as well. Have a great night! 

[StHustle]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

I have no idea where you get the idea you are looked at as “less than” anyone else. 

 

 

For you to say you "have no idea" where I get that from is very telling. I don't want to derail this thread with indirectly related subject matter but feel free to message me for a healthy conversation. Or maybe we can hold a public discussion in the PPP forum. Have a great night.

[Utah John]

I don't think what Brees said was evil, or racist, but it's wrong. 

 

I am a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel.  I served for over 25 years.  I did that to defend the Constitution, as per my oath, and the country. 

 

What Kap did was not to disrespect the flag, but to call attention to racial injustice that was a stain on our country.  I applaud him for that.  I applaud him for taking an unpopular stand for something he felt was very important.  Every time someone does something that forces us to recognize a broader interpretation of our rights applies to the new situation, those rights become stronger, and therefore our country becomes stronger. 

 

I understand that many people view the ceremony of the national anthem played before football games as being patriotic, and that it's unpatriotic not to play along.  I respect that opinion but I disagree with it.  My view is that having the national anthem played before sporting events actually degrades the anthem, and turns it into a little part of a much more important event, the football game or hockey game or whatever, which is really crazy.  We turn the anthem into something no more important than the coin toss or car commercials.  The anthem should be protected from this bit role and left for situations where it's taken seriously as the most important part of the event. 

 

When we start playing the anthem before movies in theaters, or plays, or operas, or concerts, let me know.   It belongs at those events just as much as it belongs at sporting events, which is to say, it doesn't belong at any of them.

 

The flag is a symbol of our country, but it's not the same thing as our country.  Given the choice of honoring the Constitution or the flag, it's no choice at all.  The Constitution is the most important thing. 

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Maybe this will help you understand a tad better. I am a black man. Im 37 and spent my whole life in America. EVERY TIME I am around my fellow black people and negativity is spoken against white people, it's in regard to OPPRESSION in one way or another. ALWAYS. Literally 100% is is anger filled speech about us being done wrong.

 

Now let's look into hate speech from white people about blacks? MUCH DIFFERENT. We are viewed as inferior humans if even considered a human at all. Many look at us as animals. You are white and I dont need to go into any further detail because you know exactly what Im talking about. 

 

What you call 'racism' from black people is born out of anger from white racism. Therefore they can NEVER be considered the same thing. Many whites love to believe its the same to help them feel better about themselves. 

 

Last thing to ponder, and I would like your honest feedback. When a black man in slavery times, was just lying helpless and bleeding on the ground, gets up and goes to the other slaves and expresses hatred for the white man who just beat him with the whip, is that not reasonable? Is it the same as the white slave owner who goes back in the house to share a chuckle with his wife on how he just had the n****** squirming and screaming?

Of course it's not the same, and it's appalling

 

But that hasn't happened in over 150 years. And we will never move past it if we never move forward. The vast majority of white Americans today did not have descendants that were slave owners

 

We will be stuck in 1865 if we never move forward as a society.

 

We take two steps Forward and 3 steps back all the time. And it just keeps us spinning in circles

Edited June 5, 2020 by Buffalo716

[StHustle]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course it's not the same, and it's appalling

 

But that hasn't happened in over 150 years. And we will never move past it if we never move forward. The vast majority of white Americans today did not have descendants that were slave owners

 

We will be stuck in 1865 if we never move forward as a society.

 

We take two steps Forward and 3 steps back all the time. And it just keeps us spinning in circles

 

First of all I was making an analogy. Yes we are no longer being whipped by slave owners but what does that correlate to today? There are many ways that we have continually been "whipped" in the 150 years since. And we dont all have to have had that personal experience of dealing with extreme racism to have witnessed it or know it exist and feel some type of way about it. Meanwhile, what historically can white people say we have done to them to deserve the amount of hatred we receive from the racists on their side?

 

1865? Are you educated on what came to follow after slavery ended? The laws set in place to continually oppress people of color? Then after the overt laws were repealed, the covert laws and systems set in place after that to continue the oppression? It's easy for the people who don't deal with this to ignore it and make themselves believe it doesn't exist. And where do you get the idea that the "vast majority of white Americans today did not have descendants that were slave owners" ??? Did they die off I'm some point? Im confused why you believe that "vast majority" statement.

[Buffalo716]

57 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

First of all I was making an analogy. Yes we are no longer being whipped by slave owners but what does that correlate to today? There are many ways that we have continually been "whipped" in the 150 years since. And we dont all have to have had that personal experience of dealing with extreme racism to have witnessed it or know it exist and feel some type of way about it. Meanwhile, what historically can white people say we have done to them to deserve the amount of hatred we receive from the racists on their side?

 

1865? Are you educated on what came to follow after slavery ended? The laws set in place to continually oppress people of color? Then after the overt laws were repealed, the covert laws and systems set in place after that to continue the oppression? It's easy for the people who don't deal with this to ignore it and make themselves believe it doesn't exist. And where do you get the idea that the "vast majority of white Americans today did not have descendants that were slave owners" ??? Did they die off I'm some point? Im confused why you believe that "vast majority" statement.

I have a history degree, it's my passion

 

And yes I totally get what happened after slavery. I'm not ignorant to it and it's terrible, but you specifically talked about slave owners laughing about beating slaves

 

And I say the vast majority because not even close to 50% of white families owned slaves in america. In the South about 35% of white families were slave owners. Some states were higher like 45 50%, but averaged it's about 35%

 

Then when you include the northern states which abolished slavery early, the percentage of total White's all across America who owned slaves is under 15%. The free states had double the population

 

then you add all the millions and millions of whites who immigrated here post-slavery. And you get tons of white families that have never owned slaves. I'm a second-generation American , I didn't even have family here in 1865

 

And in no way am I trying to stick up for slavery and the antebellum South, it's gross sick and an abomination

Edited June 5, 2020 by Buffalo716

[HOUSE]

Well well, Isn't this a great start for the football season?

 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He pointed out that Drew Brees had options for how to respond, including options that would express his personal beliefs while respecting his teammates different experience.

 

Do you feel that's a problem?

 

Obviously, since Drew Brees isn't here, he didn't literally tell "another man what to say and how to act" but he did express an opinion about it.  I think that's allowed; it seems common enough.

Drew Brees expressed an opinion.

Other people had a reaction to it - pissed them off mostly - and they expressed theirs.  That is how it works - in this country. 

The real frustration it seemed to me listening to some of the players reactions is that they thought they moved the needle enough for the majority of the public to understand that kneeling was about police brutality and not disrespecting the military.  They certainly expected their white teammates to understand that at the very least.  

 

They look at Brees as no dummy and rightfully question why he suddenly brings this up now during a time of heated racial strife in this country and not three years ago when the kneeling controversy began.  I think Brees knew all this blowback would come and that he would have to issue an apology.  The apology would quell some of his teammates reservations so he could play with them another year and also allow the right to claim he was a poor victim of the "woke/pc" culture.  I wouldn't be surprised if he ran for office as a Republican when he retires.

[BillsFan17]

Drew Brees has done more for black communities (through his charity work) than 90% of the people calling him out, change my mind.

[streetkings01]

Nate Boyer told Kap to take a knee to bring awareness to an issue that affects the African American community more than any other community. 
 

It’s been regurgitated over and over that kneeling during the national anthem is not to disrespect the military but to bring awareness to a situation where unarmed black men and women are being killed by police and it gets swept under the rug. 
 

It’s the same demographic that has the issue and it has nothing to do with the military or the flag that’s just an easy cover up for their true intentions. It’s shut up ***** and play football .......that’s what they really want to say.......they’re disrespecting the flag, military, etc. is just a bs cover up for what they really wanna say. 
 

 

[BigBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Drew Brees has done a lot of good things. I don’t believe Drew Brees is a good person. Those things aren’t the same. He’s charitable. He’s a phony. Those are both true. He just had a rare misstep in the public eye. He accidentally showed everyone who he is. He’s done that a few times (suing his mom, Focus on Family, anthem protest). This isn’t “out of character” for Brees; this is who he is. He usually just is better at protecting his image.

 

I'm glad you're a mind-reader. Hate to play cards with you.

 

A man isn't allowed to have his principles just because they don't agree with yours? That's such baloney and you hardly notice your own lack of intellectual dishonesty.

 

Here's what a phony looks like: people who say they love to the community but never give to it, people who say they are for helping the poor but donate their salaries, people who say the government should be more proactive to help others but hire accountants to shield their income

 

He's not saying one thing and doing another on the same topic, that would be a phony. You just don't know the difference yet.

 

9 hours ago, SDS said:

How’s this… If Drew Brees doesn’t want people to respond at what an asshat he is then he should phrase things differently or keep things to himself. He has a right to his opinion. When he shares his opinion because he wants other people to hear said opinion then other people have the right to respond.

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I don't think he's against people responding, but they using morality to shame him. The same could be said of his response, fair enough, but he never told people to shut up and the media used as mob came to his defense to the point of shaming an apology. See the difference?

 

The difference is Brees can say what he wants, people can respond, but when people use fake moral outrage (what he said had nothing to do with race) to shame people into a position he never said or endorsed is wicked and should be called out. Jenkins is an idiot. Jenkins used the masterful art of mind-reading to explain what Brees "really meant" and then told him to shut the F up.

 

The media, instead of being fair, and social media which is always a group of hyenas should have showed Jenkins position as illogical about Brees's comments. Nope, Jenkins is right because of Brees bad timing and everything he said was logical and Brees is wrong because "feelings" maaaaan.

 

 

 

[streetkings01]

If you guys are not aware I am a black man living in America. I was always taught when a police officer pulls you over, roll all your windows down and keep your hands on the dash and the steering wheel........never reach in your glove compartment for your registration or in your back pocket for your wallet to get your license. When the officer asks for your license and registration you tell the officer.....my license is in my wallet in my back pocket and my registration is in my glove compartment.......is ok if I reach to get my wallet ......is it ok if it’s reach to get my registration. This is something I have to eventually teach my kids when they start driving.........how many people in here were taught this around 15-16 years old?

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

If you guys are not aware I am a black man living in America. I was always taught when a police officer pulls you over, roll all your windows down and keep your hands on the dash and the steering wheel........never reach in your glove compartment for your registration or in your back pocket for your wallet to get your license. When the officer asks for your license and registration you tell the officer.....my license is in my wallet in my back pocket and my registration is in my glove compartment.......is ok if I reach to get my wallet ......is it ok if it’s reach to get my registration. This is something I have to eventually teach my kids when they start driving.........how many people in here were taught this around 15-16 years old?

I had to learn all that stuff on my own. However, that’s exactly what I do, but I do that for a different reason. I don’t worry about being shot, I am looking to be overly polite and hope to get off with a warning. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

51 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

If you guys are not aware I am a black man living in America. I was always taught when a police officer pulls you over, roll all your windows down and keep your hands on the dash and the steering wheel........never reach in your glove compartment for your registration or in your back pocket for your wallet to get your license. When the officer asks for your license and registration you tell the officer.....my license is in my wallet in my back pocket and my registration is in my glove compartment.......is ok if I reach to get my wallet ......is it ok if it’s reach to get my registration. This is something I have to eventually teach my kids when they start driving.........how many people in here were taught this around 15-16 years old?

I read this comment in response to an editorial on a news services board earlier.  When I read your comment I thought it might be appropriate to paste here.  I found it insightful and thought others here might too. 

 

"The author obviously thinks racial prejudice is the cause of the police abuses that he described, including ones that he personally suffered. But other than donating money to black organizations and spending money patronizing black owned businesses, all he really prescribes is a combination of going through the motions of pontificating social equality to others while not violating it yourself.

I believe that NOTHING he prescribes will be effective to end or substantially reduce the police abuses he described. That is because he falsely believes that racism is the cause of those abuses. Racial bias is undoubtedly often (but not always) the motivation of cops who abuse blacks. But it is not the cause. The cause is that which allows and facilitates cops to act on their racial biases. All the racial bias in the world will not harm a single black person if the biased person does not act on his racial bias.

The real cause of the abuse by cops against citizens of all colors (though disproportionately against persons who are black or brown) is that cops are essentially above the law. Cops know they are above the law and thus the only thing that restrains them from acting on their prejudices or any other bad motive is their personal ethics and conscience. Unfortunately, many cops have no personal ethics or conscience. And even the "good" cops who don't themselves abuse citizens nevertheless refuse to report or testify against the cops who do abuse (so, how "good" are they really?). Indeed, they often lie for the abuser cops to protect them.

Cops are above the law because:

1) The government has made a different law for police than for all the rest of us, a law which essentially gives them license to abuse and murder citizens simply by mouthing words similar to "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" with no requirement that such a thought was reasonable under the circumstances.

2) Fellow cops lie to cover up for cops who abuse citizens.

3) Supervisors cover up for cops who abuse citizens.

4) Corrupt prosecutors strive to protect bad cops from prosecution rather than to protect the public from bad cops.

5) Timid jurors fear that police forces will retaliate against the public if they convict cops.

Nothing will change until cops are made subject to the same laws as the rest of us, and until those laws are enforced against cops who violate them. Even if the laws were thus changed, they will never be enforced if left to local prosecutors to enforce them. Every state should establish a special out-of-town state-level prosecutor office that focuses only on prosecuting cops.

You will never get rid of racial prejudice. It has existed since time immemorial nearly everywhere in the world. Trying to change deeply ingrained biases in adults is an angelic pursuit that will prove futile in nearly every attempt. It will be much more effective to focus effort on what people do rather than what they think."

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Me, and I'm not black.

 

That's exactly how I approach interactions with the police, especially local cops.

 

 

Ditto.  How I was instructed to act by my Geandpa, & how I taught my kid who is a “question authority” wiseass

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

I'm glad you're a mind-reader. Hate to play cards with you.

 

A man isn't allowed to have his principles just because they don't agree with yours? That's such baloney and you hardly notice your own lack of intellectual dishonesty.

 

Here's what a phony looks like: people who say they love to the community but never give to it, people who say they are for helping the poor but donate their salaries, people who say the government should be more proactive to help others but hire accountants to shield their income

 

He's not saying one thing and doing another on the same topic, that would be a phony. You just don't know the difference yet.

 

This has nothing to do with mind-reading and everything to do with stories from those who know Brees well. I’ve had this opinion of him for years and it’s documented on here. Brees the player and Brees the person are not the same. 

And LOL at “Brees’ principles“ if you only knew...The dude is a total hypocrite. In my personal opinion the reason that he tried so hard on his apology tour yesterday was so that people wouldn’t start telling those stories of his principles. 

[SirAndrew]

8 hours ago, Augie said:

 

My first generation Lebanese wife grew up a Catholic in rural South Carolina. Her grandfather had a crossed burned in his front yard. He scared them off with a shot gun, put out the fire and took the “perfectly good wood” to the barn to be be repurposed.

 

I learned today, after 35 years of marriage, her high school coach nicknamed her “A-Rab”.  That is what he called her every day.  I asked why I had never heard that, and she said she hated it so much she just pushed ahead, determined that much more to succeed. She has been a HIGHLY successful professional. 

 

Jerks are everywhere. YOU decide how you move forward in life. You may get some breaks, you may not, but you make your own decisions. 

 

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Terrible story about your wife. You are absolutely correct, anyone can rise above with proper family support, and a decent upbringing. The one thing some people miss is the fact that millions of kids are raised in violent abusive conditions with parents who are incapable of helping them with basic math. These people have almost no hope of success from day one. I’m not saying there’s much anyone can do it about it, but I am saying it plays a role in how people react differently to adversity in their lives. Obviously, there are exceptions to all rules.
 

I’m most frustrated when people work themselves out of tough situations, only to throw it away while blaming society for their failures. You see it a lot with pro athletes who find themselves in trouble. They’re given million dollar contracts, yet fall into bad habits because of the “old neighborhood” or something. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

23 hours ago, billrooter said:

So as a white person Drew Brees now has no right voicing his opinion, one that I agree with. Racism goes both ways, it just isn't covered so thoroughly by the media when it is the other way around. This is a complete S&it S%how in my opinion. What exactly did he say that was wrong, the National Anthem IMO is never a place to protest?

Look at the group giving him a problem. Lebron, Crissy Teigen, Ben Affleck, Selena Gomez, Rogan, and other Hollywood and Sports stars.They support Black Lives Matter having a role in making criminal justice reform. Two policies that are non-negotiable are defunding police departments and no cash bail reform, releasing 90%of criminal actors to commit crimes again without consequences. Brees has to walk back those comments, that most people respect him for, because his teammates are hypersensitive in this environment. The hypocrisy is that the group that criticized him, all live in gated communities with tons of private security. How can they tell people in heavy crime riddled neighborhoods not to have law enforcement to protect them and small businesses. 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Look at the group giving him a problem. Lebron, Crissy Teigen, Ben Affleck, Selena Gomez, Rogan, and other Hollywood and Sports stars.They support Black Lives Matter having a role in making criminal justice reform. Two policies that are non-negotiable are defunding police departments and no cash bail reform, releasing 90%of criminal actors to commit crimes again without consequences. Brees has to walk back those comments, that most people respect him for, because his teammates are hypersensitive in this environment. The hypocrisy is that the group that criticized him, all live in gated communities with tons of private security. How can they tell people in heavy crime riddled neighborhoods not to have law enforcement to protect them and small businesses. 

This is... wow.  Seriously ignorant for one thing.  I don’t think most of the protestors come from gated communities.  Honestly you’re part of the problem.

[Aireskoi]

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

If you guys are not aware I am a black man living in America. I was always taught when a police officer pulls you over, roll all your windows down and keep your hands on the dash and the steering wheel........never reach in your glove compartment for your registration or in your back pocket for your wallet to get your license. When the officer asks for your license and registration you tell the officer.....my license is in my wallet in my back pocket and my registration is in my glove compartment.......is ok if I reach to get my wallet ......is it ok if it’s reach to get my registration. This is something I have to eventually teach my kids when they start driving.........how many people in here were taught this around 15-16 years old?

 

When I have interactions with the police my 1st intention is to let them know that I'm not a threat.  They have to deal with the worst of our society, people who would like to see them dead.

 

I didn't know that as a kid, and I had an officer draw his gun on me.  He was a pro, and he set me straight on how to interact with police.

 

I don't agree with kneeling by NFL players (symbolic), but I love the real work guys like Lorenzo Alexander do for the community (reality).

[first_and_ten]

8 hours ago, Augie said:

 

We really do have a long way to go, that’s certainly true. I hate this thread, because I hate the reality....but do you really think racism does not go both ways? I’m hoping I misunderstood, honestly.

 

I can give countless situations where I or my family were disadvantaged, endangered or threatened because of the color of our white skin. Anything from AAU basketball to regularly doing community work in underprivileged neighborhoods where I was threatened to a guy I previously liked at work telling me he was getting a Pitt to put fear in the eyes of guys like me. 

 

 

 

This is a mess, and I’m bowing out here for now. 

 

What happened to you in prejudice, not racism.The word racism should be reserved for the institutionally ingrained disadvantages of being a person of color in this country. Racism is not just hatred. To fear a black person is racist.Racism is a powerful word. No one wants to be called a racist. You will never know what it feels like to be a person of color in this country. Why do white people like to compare prejudice with racism? Really, racism exists because one group has the power, and it is white people who hold that power.

[oldmanfan]

Brees has the right to express his opinion, and his teammates and others have the right to call him out on it if they think he's out of line.  They'll have to settle things in the locker room when they get back, although him stepping back a bit should help. Fromm can spout off what he wants, and Tre White can tell him he's a idiot.  

 

I am a big believer in law and order. When people break the law they need to be punished. That includes looters and cowards who incite violence during peaceful protests and come up behind a Las Vegas policeman and shoot him in the head.  It also includes policemen who hold their knee down on a guy's neck even when he has no pulse, or when they shove a 75 year old guy back and crack his head open on a sidewalk. 

 

I'm also a big believer in the Constitution.  I believe people have the right to peaceably assemble and protest against their government, whether that be on the streets of cities after a black man is murdered, or if it is kneeling on the side of a football field.  I believe that peaceful protesters should not have pepper bullets and such shot at by agents of the government to clear a path for a non-religious man to stand in front of a church using the Word of God as a political prop.   I believe in freedom of the press, and that the press should not get shot at or attacked for doing their job , whether or not you agree with their writings.  I believe the Constitution guarantees every citizen the right to vote, and that trying to take that away is unconstitutional.  I believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to own and carry a gun as well.  And I am sick and tired of people picking and choosing which amendments they support and which ones they reject to serve a partisan political purpose, regardless of your political persuasion.

 

It's been 50 years since the last major protests across this country.  I still remember driving down Bailey and seeing the stuff on the UB campus.  You'd think we all would have learned something by now.

[BarleyNY]

9 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Look at the group giving him a problem. Lebron, Crissy Teigen, Ben Affleck, Selena Gomez, Rogan, and other Hollywood and Sports stars.They support Black Lives Matter having a role in making criminal justice reform. Two policies that are non-negotiable are defunding police departments and no cash bail reform, releasing 90%of criminal actors to commit crimes again without consequences. Brees has to walk back those comments, that most people respect him for, because his teammates are hypersensitive in this environment. The hypocrisy is that the group that criticized him, all live in gated communities with tons of private security. How can they tell people in heavy crime riddled neighborhoods not to have law enforcement to protect them and small businesses. 

I think you should look into how many of those people you listed grew up.  That almost always stays with a person.  As for the current bail system, that’s a tremendously important problem in need of reform.  Ditto for-profit prisons.  

[BigBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This has nothing to do with mind-reading and everything to do with stories from those who know Brees well. I’ve had this opinion of him for years and it’s documented on here. Brees the player and Brees the person are not the same. 

And LOL at “Brees’ principles“ if you only knew...The dude is a total hypocrite. In my personal opinion the reason that he tried so hard on his apology tour yesterday was so that people wouldn’t start telling those stories of his principles. 

 

A hypocrite we all are. No one lives perfectly to the principles they espouse.

 

What is also deemed hypocrisy by one person doesn't make it so. The problem is the most people are a terrible judge. Most people are never trained in logic, but they sure think they are. They are the child who accuses his father of hypocrisy because they tell them to go to bed at 10pm and see their father go to bed at 1am.

 

The logic challenged masses are not a judge of hypocrisy.

 

Every man has principles, you do, you think you can call Brees a hypocrite, well tell me you aren't and show me your emails, texts, and a list of 3 of your enemies over the last few years of your life and I guarantee you I'll have a field day. "Wait," you'll say, " it's not fair because there is context to that and people who don't get along with me are bad judges of my character." BINGO

 

Public figures aren't perfect, and they are ripe targets for illogical immature people to cite hypocrisy because they are wanting to put others down to feel morally superior.

 

The reason for his apology tour was he knew he wouldn't have a team to go to, his sponsors would cut him out, and he would seen as a punching bag because of the hatred of what he said and the pressure put on him by his team to stop the angry mob. That's how some people see free speech: free for me but not for thee and if you dare I'll destroy you.

[billrooter]

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Here is the thing...and why you are very much wrong in this post.  You are not wrong in what the anthem means to you.  You are not wrong in what you choose to do during the anthem.  But you are categorically wrong in feeling everyone one else should share your OPINION and personal experience of what the anthem should mean to them.  

 

Its more than ok to believe in standing for the anthem, but I am willing to bet you don't stand for the anthem at home or at bars and only do at live games like 99% of the people who are upset at not standing during the anthem.  Again, nothing wrong with that either.  

 

But, its also more than ok for someone to have a different experience of the anthem and the issues that still are present in our country for minority individuals.  Its more than ok for someone to feel change needs to happen, and see the anthem as a way peacefully express their voice for that change to social injustice.

 

Not everyone thinks about the military when they hear the anthem, nor is that the purpose of the anthem.  Not everyone feels the anthem and its lyrics properly represent the modern country given there are still oppressive lyrics in the song that are hurtful to those of color.  Just like how people in the south enjoy the confederate flag as a symbol of their heritage because they grew up watching Dukes of Hazard or listening to country music where it was prevalent.  Doesn't change the fact that the confederate flag was actually the symbol of a political party that was fighting for the right to keep slaves and legally Lynch black folks.  And to the black community, the flag and symbols carry that darker connection.  

 

What Drew Brees said wasn't terrible by any means, he was honest about what the anthem means to him and his deep connection to military from his own life experiences, and they were all fine reasons.  What he did that was terrible, was PROJECT that connection across everyone else and not feel others have the right to feel differently or express different emotions.  His biggest crime was two fold with the second being utterly terrible judgement and timing in sharing his personal take and belief everyone should honor it the way HE does during such an emotionally charged time.

 

So...no disrespect, your personal views for yourself are more than ok.  But you projecting to demand others do the same as you would is where you are wrong.  There are no rules in life to how people experience things.  Everyone has different lenses shaped through lifes experiences.  And I bet you have never lost a family member or loved one because of the color of their skin...you were not harassed or arrested because of the color of skin...your people were not enslaved to build this country...your people were not divided in schools, restaurants and busses not that long ago.  So you cant ever have the same perspective as a black athlete will have with that very much in their family history and their day to day lives.  

 

So rather than hate those whose life has given them to a lens to see something different than you, how about we all try empathy and try and understand why they feel this way and give them the American Right of Freedom of Speech and Expression to make their own decisions and express their voices in their own ways.  

 

God bless.

 

PS:  I feel like Brees words were not ill willed and his apology was sincere.  I do not have an issue with Brees even though I feel strongly that his original statement was a poor decision and lacked any kind of self or social awareness in how it would make him look and affect those around him.

I never said everyone should share my opinion, this is America anyone can obviously do anything you damn well please and it is accepted. In my post I stated that I agree with him when it came to the anthem, I just think the kneeling is disrespectful just as I think these people rioting, burn peoples businesses, stealing, beating up people, killing innocent cops,etc. are scumbags and should be dealt with as such.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hampton Josh fan]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is... wow.  Seriously ignorant for one thing.  I don’t think most of the protestors come from gated communities.  Honestly you’re part of the problem.

I didn't say the protesters, I said the group that criticized Brees. Read the post.

[billrooter]

10 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

Yes, he is allowed to take a knee if he would  like to during the anthem. And no, he isn't allowed to kneel at work because he has a job to do, what he's being paid for. If they do the anthem at his job, yes he does have to right to kneel. 

Thanks for clearing that up bud.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

My problem with Colin kneeling was never his protest it was him wearing Che’ Guevara T-shirts...for those don’t remember history Che’ ironically used secret police to stomp down opponents and many times throw them in jail or worse...so dude was a massive massive hypocrite more then anything  

 

Yeah, that was a general problem with Kaepernick.  As my boss used to tell me “pick your battles”.  From the pig socks to the Che Guevara shirts, he definitely stood in the light of some valid points he had a legitimate platform to make.

[billrooter]

10 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

"racism goes both ways"... Thanks for proving that this country has a long way to go. And thanks for the laugh.

No problem, any time.

[Hampton Josh fan]

11 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I think you should look into how many of those people you listed grew up.  That almost always stays with a person.  As for the current bail system, that’s a tremendously important problem in need of reform.  Ditto for-profit prisons.  

Take a walk down the iconic Avenues in NYC. Every storefront is boarded up because the police were instructed not to engage looters who pillaged our city. That's what defunding police departments will  look like. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

A hypocrite we all are. No one lives perfectly to the principles they espouse.

 

What is also deemed hypocrisy by one person doesn't make it so. The problem is the most people are a terrible judge. Most people are never trained in logic, but they sure think they are. They are the child who accuses his father of hypocrisy because they tell them to go to bed at 10pm and see their father go to bed at 1am.

 

The logic challenged masses are not a judge of hypocrisy.

 

Every man has principles, you do, you think you can call Brees a hypocrite, well tell me you aren't and show me your emails, texts, and a list of 3 of your enemies over the last few years of your life and I guarantee you I'll have a field day. "Wait," you'll say, " it's not fair because there is context to that and people who don't get along with me are bad judges of my character." BINGO

 

Public figures aren't perfect, and they are ripe targets for illogical immature people to cite hypocrisy because they are wanting to put others down to feel morally superior.

 

The reason for his apology tour was he knew he wouldn't have a team to go to, his sponsors would cut him out, and he would seen as a punching bag because of the hatred of what he said and the pressure put on him by his team to stop the angry mob. That's how some people see free speech: free for me but not for thee and if you dare I'll destroy you.

 

You have valid points that few of us live lives that would totally stand the light of day and that it’s not uncommon to have people who don’t like us paint us or our actions in the worst light - including coworkers.

 

I’d just like to point out that there is some “mind reading” going on in your post as well - I doubt you have inside knowledge of whether, let alone how much pressure was put on Brees the team.   Logically, there need not have been any.  Simply the reaction of other players - teammates and elsewhere - put its own tremendous pressure since Brees literally depends upon these guys for his well-being.  I felt Allen (possibly because of the racist tweets) got some “extra” treatment his rookie year until it was seen that his black teammates clearly had his back and were speaking of him and treating him like a right guy, then it seems to have died down (Allen seems to have toned down the stiff-arming and showing up of defenders which probably also played a role).  Brees is a smart guy and he can read the tea leaves without anyone twisting his arm.

My counterpoint to you is what I see: people who espouse “free speech” often don’t seem willing to accept that free speech means “free for me” and ALSO “free for thee”.  Brees does not get protection from consequences of what he says - if it riles people up, they get their say, too.  

 

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.  It never has.

 

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Take a walk down the iconic Avenues in NYC. Every storefront is boarded up because the police were instructed not to engage looters who pillaged our city. That's what defunding police departments will  look like. 

Not what I addressed in my post.  Try to stay on topic.  But here’s my take concerning police forces:  A necessary component of a democracy is the ability of its citizens to effectively oversee the people who’s job it is to police them.  (Thus the outrage over Trump’s recent threats to utilize the military against US citizens.)  I know nothing specific about any calls to defund police departments, but I fully support implementing reasonable measures to oversee them.  I would not support blanket defunding of all of them, but I would support any array of disciplinary actions against those found to be chronic violators of people’s civil rights.  Actions should have consequences, no?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You have valid points that few of us live lives that would totally stand the light of day and that it’s not uncommon to have people who don’t like us paint us or our actions in the worst light - including coworkers.

 

I’d just like to point out that there is some “mind reading” going on in your post as well - I doubt you have inside knowledge of whether, let alone how much pressure was put on Brees the team.   Logically, there need not have been any.  Simply the reaction of other players - teammates and elsewhere - put its own tremendous pressure since Brees literally depends upon these guys for his well-being.  I felt Allen (possibly because of the racist tweets) got some “extra” treatment his rookie year until it was seen that his black teammates clearly had his back and were speaking of him and treating him like a right guy, then it seems to have died down (Allen seems to have toned down the stiff-arming and showing up of defenders which probably also played a role).  Brees is a smart guy and he can read the tea leaves without anyone twisting his arm.

My counterpoint to you is what I see: people who espouse “free speech” often don’t seem willing to accept that free speech means “free for me” and ALSO “free for thee”.  Brees does not get protection from consequences of what he says - if it riles people up, they get their say, too.  

 

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.  It never has.

 

 

Huh?  Talk about mind reading or conjecture?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Take a walk down the iconic Avenues in NYC. Every storefront is boarded up because the police were instructed not to engage looters who pillaged our city. That's what defunding police departments will  look like. 

 

Speaking as someone who lived through riots in St Louis in 2014 and 2016, I doubt they were told “not to engage”; is there any actual PR or news about that?

It was kind of studied here afterwards from various videos available.  The looting is sometimes very fast and coordinated to take advantage of largely peaceful protestors.  It went something like this:

1) Police line involved in containing/trying to disburse peaceful protestors.  Police have instructions to maintain line (for their safety and safety of brother officers)

2) Agitators step forward out of largely peaceful crowd and throw stuff -bricks, cobblestones, bottles of unmentionable fluids, focusing the attention and engaging the police.  They aren’t part of the crowd per se but they have a symbiotic relationship with it, the crowd will generally not expel them or keep them from fading back into it and may copy them

3) Behind the line, accomplices walk along the targeted stores and smash glass with hammers or bats - it takes only moments to smash a door.  They don’t loot, they move on

4) A different group of people will run into the smashed store and strip it in minutes.  They usually have a car or van positioned strategically to load up and get away

 

This is off-topic I know but seemed relevant.  The point is, even if the police have all the will in the world to engage looters, it’s next to impossible in a crowd control situation.  Officers who break the line are at serious personal risk and put others at personal risk, there isn’t enough “line” to protect all the stores, and the crowd makes rapid and flexible police response impossible.

 

As far as defunding police departments, I don’t know what that would look like.  I personally don’t want to see it, but (getting back to the subject at hand) I also want to see real change in how police interact with citizens, and I’m not sure there’s a simple list that would achieve that.

 

8 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Huh?  Talk about mind reading or conjecture?

 

What is your personal definition of the words “I felt”?  It is my perception.  I have game pass and watched every play of Allen last year and this, sometimes several times and in slo-mo.  But in the end, I call it what it is - my personal belief based on what I saw.  Whatever the reason there seemed to be a lot of “extracurricular” at the end of plays towards Allen especially early in his first season and it died off.