The Dolphins QB situation

[JetsFan20]

What are the chances Ryan Fitzpatrick regresses? 80-90 percent?

 

Tua is good prospect, but its a bit of a stretch that he is going to come in and play well as a rookie, coming off a broken hip, and in a limited offseason. 
 

Edited June 1, 2020 by JetsFan20

[vincec]

I don’t think he’ll regress much. They have a better team around him than last year and Gailey will know how to play to Ryan’s strengths, but I think Tua will get some starts eventually this season - as soon as their playoff hopes are officially sunk

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Fitz doesn't regress. He just is. Forever. Infinite. 

 

5-7 wins this year.

[YoloinOhio]

Fitz’s history as the starter in his 2nd season with the same team is very poor. I was just listening to someone go through it on radio, can’t remember where. I don’t see why it would be any different this time around

[NewEra]

I think he wins the job, plays like Superman for 4-7 weeks, then turns into SuperNoodleArm after he throws 250 passes

[BarleyNY]

28 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

What are the chances Ryan Fitzpatrick regresses? 80-90 percent?

 

Tua is good prospect, but its a bit of a stretch that he is going to come in and play well as a rookie, coming off a broken hip, and in a limited offseason. 
 

They know that this is a developmental year. Sure the Phins will try to win every game, but realistically they’re just aiming to be competitive and to get a couple more wins than last year.  The QB situation is what it usually is in such situations.  There’s a bridge QB and a guy they hope will be the future.  Tua will get his chance at some point. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think he wins the job, plays like Superman for 4-7 weeks, then turns into SuperNoodleArm after he throws 250 passes

You are skipping phases man... he only goes into supernoodlearm mode after signing his huge starting QB contract extension after playing like the GOAT for 7 weeks!

 

Love ya Fitzy!!! You deserve that gold jacket one day for GOAT backup, greatest wit and sexiest beard

Edited June 2, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[BillsDude]

Did he cut that beard yet? That's all I care about, as Fitz will be Fitz. Sometimes gives the defense fits, sometimes he plays like a ditz. That's why he's Fitz.

[Augie]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fitz’s history as the starter in his 2nd season with the same team is very poor. I was just listening to someone go through it on radio, can’t remember where. I don’t see why it would be any different this time around

 

Fitz is Fitz. One season he looks great, the next the same ball is put in harms way and ends badly. I remember breaking out in laughter at a Bills bar when he tossed up some 50/50 balls as a Bill, and it actually went our way. REALLY? 

 

If I’m Tua, I’m worried about his voodoo doll getting stuck with a needle, body part yet to be determined. Fitzy has his dark ways reputation.....

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

You are skipping phases man... he only goes into supernoodlearm mode after signing his huge starting QB contract extension after playing like the GOAT for 7 weeks!

 

Love ya Fitzy!!! You deserve that gold jacket one day for GOAT backup, greatest wit and sexiest beard

You also skipped a phase. Tua will start and then get hurt and then your post will happen. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I say Fitz starts the first 4 games (ish). Tua is a great prospect with big injury concerns. If healthy his accuracy and play fakes are elite. I’m not saying that he will have Brees career but he plays a lot like him.

[Happy]

Fitz won't change, he will have his good games and lose it for you in other games with multiple pics.  He's what that team needs right now, no sense in rushing Tua along, especially after an injury and being a rookie.  Miami will end up 7-9 or 8-8.

[JetsFan20]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I say Fitz starts the first 4 games (ish). Tua is a great prospect with big injury concerns. If healthy his accuracy and play fakes are elite. I’m not saying that he will have Brees career but he plays a lot like him.

I really think it’s in Tuas best interest to sit out this season (or its majority). By all accounts he suffered a very serious injury. It’s tough enough to play QB in the NFL as a rookie-spending the entire offseason rehabbing a major injury on top of that adds another major challenge. Add that to the fact that there were no mini camps/rookie OTAs. I’d imagine he will also be somewhat limited at the start of training camp. 

3 minutes ago, Happy said:

Fitz won't change, he will have his good games and lose it for you in other games with multiple pics.  He's what that team needs right now, no sense in rushing Tua along, especially after an injury and being a rookie.  Miami will end up 7-9 or 8-8.

Fitz has a tendency to revert back into a pumpkin when folks start talking him up. 

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Fitz has a tendency to revert back into a pumpkin when folks start talking him up. 

 

And especially when he gets a Fitz-style big contract.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

I really think it’s in Tuas best interest to sit out this season (or its majority). By all accounts he suffered a very serious injury. It’s tough enough to play QB in the NFL as a rookie-spending the entire offseason rehabbing a major injury on top of that adds another major challenge. Add that to the fact that there were no mini camps/rookie OTAs. I’d imagine he will also be somewhat limited at the start of training camp. 

Fitz has a tendency to revert back into a pumpkin when folks start talking him up. 

That won’t happen though. Teams just don’t do that (and yes I know Mahomes). By all accounts Tua is ready now physically. The shortened offseason will slow him but the Dolphins aren’t going to go the whole year without knowing what they have. You can’t do that with rookie contract anymore. Mahomes was a little different situation in that they had Smith throwing for over 4,000 yards and a 4:1 TD to INT.  Fitz is a perfect plug but they aren’t ready to win. Tua will start double digit games if he remains healthy.

[Orlando Tim]

Why is the conversation about Fitz from year to year? He is a different QB from game to game, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the defense, he can shred good defenses and get nothing against bad ones. He is gonna get you 5-7 wins each year but nothing more.

[Malazan]

Fitz is great at picking up new offenses. His first year always seems to go well. The next year when he's running the same plays and there's tape on him is when he's had struggles in the past. In a division that had two great defenses and a 3rd that was a top 15 (strong in some areas, weak in others), I see him regressing. If Tua isn't starting by the first game, it won't be long after that.

[El Guapo]

Fear the beard. 
 

That is all. 

[SydneyBillsFan]

OK, now where is the Fitz career flow chart wheel when you need it?

[YoloinOhio]

45 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Fitz is great at picking up new offenses. His first year always seems to go well. The next year when he's running the same plays and there's tape on him is when he's had struggles in the past. In a division that had two great defenses and a 3rd that was a top 15 (strong in some areas, weak in others), I see him regressing. If Tua isn't starting by the first game, it won't be long after that.

So dig out the Chan/Fitz film from Buffalo 2011-12. And then from Jersey 2015-16. And repeat. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I say Fitz starts the first 4 games (ish). Tua is a great prospect with big injury concerns. If healthy his accuracy and play fakes are elite. I’m not saying that he will have Brees career but he plays a lot like him.

Him and your boy Dak.  Right??  Who has won nothing.  I will take Romo over Dak every day of the week.  

 

As for Tua, go back and watch the film of the Alabama-Clemson national championship game.  Didn't look so good that nite.  Settle down about the comparisons to Brees..  I would try comparing him a little more to Jake Fromm.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, The Wiz said:

You also skipped a phase. Tua will start and then get hurt and then your post will happen. 

See, now we are all getting out of line....ahhhh Fitzzzzzzy, see what you do to us?!?!?!

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Him and your boy Dak.  Right??  Who has won nothing.  I will take Romo over Dak every day of the week.  

 

As for Tua, go back and watch the film of the Alabama-Clemson national championship game.  Didn't look so good that nite.  Settle down about the comparisons to Brees..  I would try comparing him a little more to Jake Fromm.  

Lol I mean, come on.

 

Tua broke his hip and still went top 5. Fromm was healthy and went in the fifth round.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

If I’m the Dolphins, I start Rosen for six games. If he shows he can play maybe he can be flipped for a draft pick. If he bombs then who cares. 

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, vincec said:

I don’t think he’ll regress much. They have a better team around him than last year and Gailey will know how to play to Ryan’s strengths, but I think Tua will get some starts eventually this season - as soon as their playoff hopes are officially sunk

Fitz will most likely win some games for them and Gailey knows Fitz strengths and challenges.  He always at some point tries to push it too much to win and throws pics.  The flip side is he tries so hard to win.  The team is better with the free agency acquisitions and all of those draft pics, but they have like al of the AFCE a tougher schedule.  I expect we see Fitz for 5-7 games and at some point they will flip to Tua.  They are not making the playoffs so it will happen.

[Utah John]

The only things left after WWIII will be cockroaches, Cher, and Fitz still finding another team he hasn't played for yet.

[HOUSE]

If I were the Dolphins I sign Cam Newton. This way they can lock up 3rd place in the AFC East.

 

 

 

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Edited June 2, 2020 by HOUSE

[Blokestradamus]

9 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

OK, now where is the Fitz career flow chart wheel when you need it?

 

Ta-dahhhhhhh!

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Him and your boy Dak.  Right??  Who has won nothing.  I will take Romo over Dak every day of the week.  

 

As for Tua, go back and watch the film of the Alabama-Clemson national championship game.  Didn't look so good that nite.  Settle down about the comparisons to Brees..  I would try comparing him a little more to Jake Fromm.  

I should watch more football...

 

TBD is the only place in the world where you are the idiot for thinking that a guy that is 40-24, coming off a year with 4,900 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT, is a pretty good QB. Apparently I’M the one that doesn’t know what I’m watching. 
 

People point to the one game that they watched Tua play as evidence that he can’t play ?. We don’t know what kind of career he will have but if you are questioning his accuracy or play fakes you haven’t watched him play. Now if you want to say, he will never stay healthy that’s a reasoned opinion. He may not. Tua has had some big injuries.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[CEN-CAL17]

Id assume its his looker room to lose through his play.  He's played under Chan Gailey before and has extensive knowledge of that system.  I doubt Tua comes in, wins over the looker room "cause he's a great guy" or out performs Fitz at least for the first half of the season.  Only the record will determine Tua's playing time, after about 10 weeks depending on the record might Tua get a chance.  I dont see it happening.

[JustWinPlease]

I think Bills fans better start respecting the Dolphins.

We want respect because of Beane and McDermott...well, I think we should start looking at Grier and Flores in the same light.

I'll wait to ultimately see how it all plays out, but they seem to know what they're doing down there.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, JustWinPlease said:

I think Bills fans better start respecting the Dolphins.

We want respect because of Beane and McDermott...well, I think we should start looking at Grier and Flores in the same light.

I'll wait to ultimately see how it all plays out, but they seem to know what they're doing down there.

I agree here. They are the team in the division, along with the Bills, trending up.

[Mango]

6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Fitz will most likely win some games for them and Gailey knows Fitz strengths and challenges.  He always at some point tries to push it too much to win and throws pics.  The flip side is he tries so hard to win.  The team is better with the free agency acquisitions and all of those draft pics, but they have like al of the AFCE a tougher schedule.  I expect we see Fitz for 5-7 games and at some point they will flip to Tua.  They are not making the playoffs so it will happen.

 

It is a tough year for a rookie QB coming off of injury with what is looking like a shortened off season/camp. In their first 6 weeks they play a bunch of really good defenses. NE, Buffalo, Denver, and SF. That's a tough go of it. Seattle and Jacksonville are no slouches on that side of the ball either. If they could get through at 3-3, that would be a miracle. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

They know that this is a developmental year. Sure the Phins will try to win every game, but realistically they’re just aiming to be competitive and to get a couple more wins than last year.  The QB situation is what it usually is in such situations.  There’s a bridge QB and a guy they hope will be the future.  Tua will get his chance at some point. 

 

With the more difficult schedule, the same number of wins might be progress.

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree here. They are the team in the division, along with the Bills, trending up.

I consider McDermott's first year of coaching the Bills as one of the best coaching job in the history of the franchise. He got a stripped down and rebuilding team playing to its maximum potential. Getting that team into the playoffs was  beyond anyone's expectation. Last year I thought that Miami's coach, Flores, did an equally terrific job in coaching a team that deliberately was tanking for one of the top qbs in the draft to consistently play hard, although clearly outgunned, throughout the season. They finished the season playing well and winning more games than expected and to be honest desired by the organization.

 

The Dolphins, like the Bills before the installation of the McBean regime, finally have a plan and seem to be executing it instead of taking a year to year ad hoc approach. This is a good situation for Tua to be part of.   

Edited June 2, 2020 by JohnC

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

I think Bills fans better start respecting the Dolphins.

We want respect because of Beane and McDermott...well, I think we should start looking at Grier and Flores in the same light.

I'll wait to ultimately see how it all plays out, but they seem to know what they're doing down there.

 

I didn't love Miami's 2019 draft.  2020 was obviously better but they had the benefit of 3 1sts (and i don't even love the 3 firsts).

 

Ton of cap space so they spent a ton, but i'm not sure they were particularly wise with it.  Fitz is cheap and they got tua cheap for 4 years so try and find pieces that work, so a little overspend isn't bad.  Def going secondary heavy - which makes the move to move minkah so strange.  They now have an incredibly expensive secondary, and very little in the way of pass rush. 

 

Offensively - they moved their best running back in drake - and i think they did a nice job replacing him with howard and breida.  The only issue i have there is how much money they invested at RB, while doing nothing at WR.  Made a bunch of changes along the oline... but I'm not sure Jackson is going to be good in year 1 with no camp, and flowers and karras stink (and are now overpaid).  

 

So i like some moves - but i don't know that paying that much for byron jones, and van noy is going to put them over the edge.  As for pass rush - i don't know that ogbah and lawson get it done either.  Building a rushing offense should start up front - this wasn't the greatest FA class there but i felt like they missed.  Fitz is a total wildcard - he'll put up points/yards, but he's a 6-8 win QB.  I'd play tua late in the year just to get some reps, get a feel for the game etc.  Might try something similar to what the bills did with ford with jackson - get some snaps but don't throw the guy completely to the wolves. 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I consider McDermott's first year of coaching the Bills as one of the best coaching job in the history of the franchise. He got a stripped down and rebuilding team playing to its maximum potential. Getting that team into the playoffs was  beyond anyone's expectation. Last year I thought that Miami's coach, Flores, did an equally terrific job in coaching a team that deliberately was tanking for one of the top qbs in the draft to consistently play hard, although clearly outgunned, throughout the season. They finished the season playing well and winning more games than expected and to be honest desired by the organization.

 

The Dolphins, like the Bills before the installation of the McBean regime, finally have a plan and seem to be executing it instead of taking a year to year ad hoc approach. This is a good situation for Tua to be part of.   

I couldn’t agree more John. If Flores would have received a few COY votes last year I wouldn’t have blinked. That team had zero talent and played hard. They were prepared and overachieved. 

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I couldn’t agree more John. If Flores would have received a few COY votes last year I wouldn’t have blinked. That team had zero talent and played hard. They were prepared and overachieved. bl

There have been many coaches from Belichick's staff who have been hired to be a HC with mediocre results. Flores, a less than prominent coach on his staff who wasn't even a coordinator, was surprisingly hired by the Dolphins. He took over a team in which the organization he joined wasn't even subtle in publicizing their intention to tank for the purpose of being in a position to draft one of the top qbs in the class. What really impressed me about his job last year is that there were games in which his overmatched team was steamrolled. Usually the next game they came back with a maximum effort, and sometimes won. At the end of the season his team was a tough team to play. I was really impressed by him.    

[Happy]

2 hours ago, JustWinPlease said:

I think Bills fans better start respecting the Dolphins.

We want respect because of Beane and McDermott...well, I think we should start looking at Grier and Flores in the same light.

I'll wait to ultimately see how it all plays out, but they seem to know what they're doing down there.

 

Spot on.  Flores and Grier stripped down the Dolphin's roster ala SF 49ers in year one of the Flores regime and they overachieved.  Miami beat NE and Philly, something we couldn't do in year three of the McD era.  Miami is going to be a very good team in a few years, both player personnel-wise and coaching.

[Happy]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I consider McDermott's first year of coaching the Bills as one of the best coaching job in the history of the franchise. He got a stripped down and rebuilding team playing to its maximum potential. Getting that team into the playoffs was  beyond anyone's expectation. Last year I thought that Miami's coach, Flores, did an equally terrific job in coaching a team that deliberately was tanking for one of the top qbs in the draft to consistently play hard, although clearly outgunned, throughout the season. They finished the season playing well and winning more games than expected and to be honest desired by the organization.

 

The Dolphins, like the Bills before the installation of the McBean regime, finally have a plan and seem to be executing it instead of taking a year to year ad hoc approach. This is a good situation for Tua to be part of.   

 

McD didn't exactly strip down the roster in year 1, but rather after the 2017 season.  His first year contained a lot of the Rex/Whaley roster.  Year 2, 2018 season, is where they had a stripped down roster and played better than their talent level.  IMO, the 2017 season (year 1) is where they finished about where they should have...9-7.