Tipster19 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 As long as the NFL does have a full season it would not surprise me one bit if Singletary and Moss are the top rushing tandem this year. Singletary in between the 20s and Moss primarily in the red zone. 7 1 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'll take Things That Still Hurt in the Film Room for $400, Alex. 6 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'm a big Moss fan and a big Utah fan from my years living in Salt Lake City. I am convinced Bills fans will LOVE this guy. He plays with the same heart and determination that Freddie Jackson had, but has more skill and power than Freddie ever did. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I originally thought that Bills should have went a different position with that pick. But after hearing him and reading about him, I Can’t wait to see Moss do that to Gilmore or Chung or any of Pats secondary 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 After watching Zack Moss's draft day coverage, which showed his disappointment & frustration of waiting so long turn into elation after we selected him, you can just tell that he has a chip of Gibraltar on his shoulder. Dude is gonna be steamrolling defenders. I can't wait! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Wrap him up? ?♂️? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Tipster19 said: As long as the NFL does have a full season it would not surprise me one bit if Singletary and Moss are the top rushing tandem this year. Singletary in between the 20s and Moss primarily in the red zone. He looked like Beast Mode in that clip. He not only explodes through the safety, but accelerated downfield into the endzone so fast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Moss is the hammer For us, there’s no doubt in my mind about that. The guy is violent and I love it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Possibly the most complete back coming out. Really can’t recall another back putting better pass protection on tape. I had him pegged as our possible round three pick, and I’m happy as a pig in slop. More-so because pre-combine I had Epenesa as a possibility for our first round pick. Everything after those picks was gravy to me. Lol. Kind of wish we’d nabbed Bryce Hall, but aside from that. I’m smiling like a dead pig in the sun. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Take a ride on The Freight Train, he wears #20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haplo848 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. Only that's not a LB. That's a safety. And safeties DO get run over. And when LBs don't get their feet set, they get run over, too. Worst case scenario here is that an NFL LB drags him down after a good game, and the LB gets worn out, making it harder for him to bring Singletary down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. Not sure what sport you are watching, but I see missed tackles all the time at the NFL level. True you don't see guys get run over like that a ton, but you see it sometimes. But powering for extra yards and breaking through tackles happens multiple times in every game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: Possibly the most complete back coming out. Really can’t recall another back putting better pass protection on tape. I had him pegged as our possible round three pick, and I’m happy as a pig in slop. More-so because pre-combine I had Epenesa as a possibility for our first round pick. Everything after those picks was gravy to me. Lol. Kind of wish we’d nabbed Bryce Hall, but aside from that. I’m smiling like a dead pig in the sun. I'm just happy that this front office gets 'it' when it comes to drafting talent. Some of those drafts from years ago were either us trying to put lipstick on a pig or making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 They are going to be using Moss a lot more than just in the red zone. There's most likely going to be close to 50/50 split in terms of carries. Then they will be used situationally depending on down and distance. You're going to see Moss used a lot on 1st down. His hard-nosed running will put us a lot in the 2 and 5 to go range. Now you bring out Devin who can pick it up through the air, on the ground, or a staight up pass play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Take a ride on The Freight Train, he wears #20. Zack Freight Train Moss. Between that name and the motor, I love it. This is going to be fun this year. I’m with Buffalo Junction, Epenesa and Moss made this a good draft. I do think Davis will see some playing time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Peace Frog said: I'm just happy that this front office gets 'it' when it comes to drafting talent. Some of those drafts from years ago were either us trying to put lipstick on a pig or making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You said it! There’s the difference. Moss is a proven, mature, hard working young prospect. He should do well at the next level. Maybe not dominate as much as in college but it’s good to draft players that did dominate there! Especially with the kind of person he has shown to be so far. Kudos Beane!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. The NFL is rife with missed tackles. How those missed tackles happen varies, sometimes it’s a Knox truck job, other times it’s the regularly missed arm tackles that shifty RBs like Singletary cause, but it happens multiple times during every game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Anybody know who that Defender is and did he ever get drafted by anybody? Hopefully if he did it was the Patriots 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!! said: Anybody know who that Defender is and did he ever get drafted by anybody? Hopefully if he did it was the Patriots Nick Fisher. Doesn't look like he will get to the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The NFL is rife with missed tackles. How those missed tackles happen varies, sometimes it’s a Knox truck job, other times it’s the regularly missed arm tackles that shifty RBs like Singletary cause, but it happens multiple times during every game. I think all you have to do is watch josh in the Dallas game his heart and sole out willed the whole Dallas d line and lbs and got the bills the fist down. Yes the play looked bad at first but like the other poster said (heart and sole) guys mean a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. Have to disagree. Run stuffing LBs are a dying breed. LBs are smaller, quicker on most teams. Those lumbering guys that would crash down on running lanes are hard to find today. Moss is big enough to take them on. I do agree about the blown tackle. That LB was caught completely flat footed, something you won't see in the NFL often. Moss though is a guy who is fearless and when he commits to running through someone, he's definitely going to win some of those. We now have 2 RBs that are leaders in making yards after contact. Singletary is smaller, and slower but is still among the best in the league in the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Moss will be better than Singletary, IMO. He will take the starting job over at some point this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I think it is fair to presume that the coaching staff's plan is to plug Moss into the role that they tried to have Gore play last season. I expect (hope) that Moss will be a significant upgrade over the 2019 version of the aging Gore. Time will tell what the split-breakdown will be between Moss and DS. I will say that Moss does appear to have the skill-set to be an every-down feature back, but we will have to see what he looks like against NFL-level competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 People often talk about blockers getting "pancakes, but when your ball carrier can get pancakes, that's something! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. Guys definitely get run over like that in the NFL. https://streamable.com/oa974 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Tipster19 said: As long as the NFL does have a full season it would not surprise me one bit if Singletary and Moss are the top rushing tandem this year. Singletary in between the 20s and Moss primarily in the red zone. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I'm very skeptical of these sorts of college highlight reels. I recall when we traded the farm for Sammy Watkins, there was a lot of buzz about how he would rack up the YAC. There were some highlights where he just plowed over defenders, sending them ass over elbows. The problem is: blown tackles like this just don't happen in the NFL. There isn't a third-string linebacker active in the regular season who will get blown up like that. The vast majority of NFL linebackers are going to make that tackle, and if Moss is going to make it a habit of running straight at linebackers, he's going to get stuffed. Often. When your RB acts as a fullback and Iso- blocks SAFETIES, it is only good for our team. Also, if I’ve read enough anti Edmund’s posts on here, in the last two years, correctly.... LBs do miss tackles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Guys definitely get run over like that in the NFL. https://streamable.com/oa974 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: When your RB acts as a fullback and Iso- blocks SAFETIES, it is only good for our team. Also, if I’ve read enough anti Edmund’s posts on here, in the last two years, correctly.... LBs do miss tackles? I've been misrepresented several times in this thread. I did not say that LBs don't miss tackles. That would be a dumb statement. I said they don't miss tackles like the one shown in this highlight. Jauronimo, you found an example (from how many years ago, btw?), and that is anecdotal. I will maintain that running straight at a defender, no juke, no stiff-arm, is not an effective running style in the NFL. And, while this is a real nice clip, I'm not going to get too excited about it and expect to see Moss running over defenders in this manner in the regular season. It's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: I've been misrepresented several times in this thread. I did not say that LBs don't miss tackles. That would be a dumb statement. I said they don't miss tackles like the one shown in this highlight. Jauronimo, you found an example (from how many years ago, btw?), and that is anecdotal. I will maintain that running straight at a defender, no juke, no stiff-arm, is not an effective running style in the NFL. And, while this is a real nice clip, I'm not going to get too excited about it and expect to see Moss running over defenders in this manner in the regular season. It's not going to happen. Well since you still don't know what you're talking about, here's 20 minutes of clips like the one I already shared. Enjoy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Well since you still don't know what you're talking about, here's 20 minutes of clips like the one I already shared. Enjoy! Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: I've been misrepresented several times in this thread. I did not say that LBs don't miss tackles. That would be a dumb statement. I said they don't miss tackles like the one shown in this highlight. Jauronimo, you found an example (from how many years ago, btw?), and that is anecdotal. I will maintain that running straight at a defender, no juke, no stiff-arm, is not an effective running style in the NFL. And, while this is a real nice clip, I'm not going to get too excited about it and expect to see Moss running over defenders in this manner in the regular season. It's not going to happen. Challenge accepted ??? This isn’t an every down expectation but it is a tone setting attitude to have. The kid has already demonstrated an uncanny ability to keep his balance . He hits small creases for positive yards. When the defender thinks he might get run over he has to set his feet and drop his weight which sets him up for a different move. Lastly, the kid runs a couple dudes over and the WHOLE team will feed off that energy. ??? Edited May 13, 2020 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: I've been misrepresented several times in this thread. I did not say that LBs don't miss tackles. That would be a dumb statement. I said they don't miss tackles like the one shown in this highlight. Jauronimo, you found an example (from how many years ago, btw?), and that is anecdotal. I will maintain that running straight at a defender, no juke, no stiff-arm, is not an effective running style in the NFL. And, while this is a real nice clip, I'm not going to get too excited about it and expect to see Moss running over defenders in this manner in the regular season. It's not going to happen. Last year we had Knox who routinely did it to DBs and Derrick Henry did it all game long when I watched him play other teams. I agree that he can't always do that but he will flatten a few DBs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Tipster19 said: As long as the NFL does have a full season it would not surprise me one bit if Singletary and Moss are the top rushing tandem this year. Singletary in between the 20s and Moss primarily in the red zone. hahaha “just took his soul”... that’s a big boy truck right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Challenge accepted ??? This isn’t an every down expectation but it is a tone setting attitude to have. The kid has already demonstrated an uncanny ability to keep his balance . He hits small creases for positive yards. When the defender thinks he might get run over he has to set his feet and drop his weight which sets him up for a different move. Lastly, the kid runs a couple dudes over and the WHOLE team will feed off that energy. ??? Fair. I'm not sure about the balance, though. I posted in another thread that I thought he had an odd, upright running style, and that his shoulders often didn't get low enough. Some people agreed, some didn't. I think his success in our offense, with how he is likely to be used, will likely depend on how well his slightly odd style translates to the NFL. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Last year we had Knox who routinely did it to DBs and Derrick Henry did it all game long when I watched him play other teams. I agree that he can't always do that but he will flatten a few DBs this year. Yeah, but Knox has about 30 pounds, and half a foot on Moss-- and a mean stiff-arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: posted in another thread that I thought he had an odd, upright running style, and that his shoulders often didn't get low enough. Some people I’m going off the highlight video and draft analysis I read. He has the weird intuitive way of falling forward at odd angles. What I like is he goes forward. Too many backs ( Spiller) over the years have refused to take what was given. This is imperative for a short yardage back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Peace Frog said: After watching Zack Moss's draft day coverage, which showed his disappointment & frustration of waiting so long turn into elation after we selected him, you can just tell that he has a chip of Gibraltar on his shoulder. Dude is gonna be steamrolling defenders. I can't wait! You know what I can’t wait for ? And it makes me smile just thinking about it ? PLAYACTION to Diggs !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 The thing I like about Moss is that he's not just a tough runner. He's a smart articulate guy who studies film to learn how to attack his opponents. My player comp for Moss is Marshawn Lynch, but Lynch was mostly just a tough guy who liked to run over people. Moss can do that, and may even like it, but he'll also juke a defender, and I think he's a fair amount faster than his combine 40 indicates. His combine 40 was comparable to Lynch's speed if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Good lord he's dragging like 3 people on that first play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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