HankBulloughMellencamp Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Listen, let's not be scared of Andy Dalton in NE. Really? Didn't we just beat him last in our home opener with our new QB and a 'question mark as to how good they are' Bills team of our own? New England can/probably will find a way to squeeze Dalton under their cap, and he would represent an upgrade from Stidham/Hoyer. But if so, let's pump the brakes on this whole "NE is set, they just took care of all their problems" mindset. I know it sounds weird, Bills fans... but THEY still have to come through US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Pats on line 1 Yup, me thinks Belly cheat has been waiting for this the whole time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: Jags on line 2, and holding. I’d lay $ he ends up in one of those two places. He is a Pats type of QB, and Jay Gruden who was his Bengals OC is now OC for Jax. He’s a pats type of QB in that he gets the ball out fast, but belichick typically goes after players who have done well against him. Dalton would be the opposite of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cal said: He would be a great veteran backup for Allen. I stated that in a previous post. Yet we draft noodle arm Fromm. Hopefully the Bills are still considering this. The Bills aren’t bringing in anyone that could look better than Allen. I both hate it and also understand it. 4 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said: Listen, let's not be scared of Andy Dalton in NE. Really? Didn't we just beat him last in our home opener with our new QB and a 'question mark as to how good they are' Bills team of our own? New England can/probably will find a way to squeeze Dalton under their cap, and he would represent an upgrade from Stidham/Hoyer. But if so, let's pump the brakes on this whole "NE is set, they just took care of all their problems" mindset. I know it sounds weird, Bills fans... but THEY still have to come through US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LFG I don’t think anyone is scared of Dalton. But we barely beat him on a 2-14 team with one of the worst defenses on the nfl. Him going to one of the best defenses in the nfl is an upgrade. It’s still not Brady but if they sign him, they are a better team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Someone should sign him for more than NE can afford just to screw them. Agreed! ? And then Belichick makes that 'quack' sound that Newman does when he gets screwed over. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Hope he doesnt go to the Pats*. Would much rather face the Hoyer/Stidham train Bills fans so traumatized by the Pats that they are scared of Andy Dalton?? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a pats type of QB in that he gets the ball out fast, but belichick typically goes after players who have done well against him. Dalton would be the opposite of that. Is Belichick looking up Joe Flacco's number? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Someone should sign him for more than NE can afford just to screw them. that doesn't make any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s not that simple. Team doctors need to evaluate him themselves. You can’t right now. but yeah, healthy Cam and Dalton are better than a bunch of guys starting this year. I never got the hate Dalton got. Not a top guy but was constantly a playoff guy and was playing like a MVP when the Bengals might have been the best team in the NFL and got hurt. I think they should have kept him because I think Finley sucks. Dalton always was discriminated because he was a ginger. ? 2015 I think. they had a really well rounded team and it was such a shame when he went down. Top ten in scoring O and D. Had Jeremy hill not made one of the most boneheaded fumbles ever in that wildcard they would have moved on and Dalton was due back the next week. That team would have been a real monkey wrench in the bracket had they just won that game. On the other hand I also always thought even back then they needed to be looking at qb’s because it seemed they had everything else in place those 3 or 4 years and Dalton just couldn’t rise up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Their ability to Sign a QB comes down to what they will do with Sanu - 6M in space on Release or trade Thurney - 14M in space on Release or trade. They do that and they have 22M in space this year (which will go to the QB) you think they'll sign a QB for $22M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Bills aren’t bringing in anyone that could look better than Allen. I both hate it and also understand it. That’s a little aggressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Jags is where he’s headed imo. Jay Gruden is the OC. I would be very surprised if Belichick is interested in him I think he might be willing to go to Pittsburgh as backup with incentives so he can complete against his old team. Big Ben will probably be out a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said: Listen, let's not be scared of Andy Dalton in NE. Really? Didn't we just beat him last in our home opener with our new QB and a 'question mark as to how good they are' Bills team of our own? New England can/probably will find a way to squeeze Dalton under their cap, and he would represent an upgrade from Stidham/Hoyer. But if so, let's pump the brakes on this whole "NE is set, they just took care of all their problems" mindset. I know it sounds weird, Bills fans... but THEY still have to come through US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LFG I agree. Even with Dalton, the Pats are not the favourites for the AFCE - the Bills are. But with Dalton as their QB (and I believe he will be) New England will be a playoff contender. With Sitdham / Hoyer they are a 6 win team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s not that simple. Team doctors need to evaluate him themselves. You can’t right now. but yeah, healthy Cam and Dalton are better than a bunch of guys starting this year. I never got the hate Dalton got. Not a top guy but was constantly a playoff guy and was playing like a MVP when the Bengals might have been the best team in the NFL and got hurt. I think they should have kept him because I think Finley sucks. Dalton always was discriminated because he was a ginger. ? Gingers are real? I thought they were mythical creatures like unicorns and the boogie man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I am a fan of Dalton, I just hope that he stays away from the Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, Limeaid said: I think he might be willing to go to Pittsburgh as backup with incentives so he can complete against his old team. Big Ben will probably be out a few games. Andy deserves better than serving under 'Morose Marrone'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Happy said: Is Belichick looking up Joe Flacco's number? At least he has an arm. I don’t think he’s healthy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said: Listen, let's not be scared of Andy Dalton in NE. Really? Didn't we just beat him last in our home opener with our new QB and a 'question mark as to how good they are' Bills team of our own? New England can/probably will find a way to squeeze Dalton under their cap, and he would represent an upgrade from Stidham/Hoyer. But if so, let's pump the brakes on this whole "NE is set, they just took care of all their problems" mindset. I know it sounds weird, Bills fans... but THEY still have to come through US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LFG didnt we only beat them by 4 points at home and they ended up being the worst team in football? dalton is good. we need to be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. Even with Dalton, the Pats are not the favourites for the AFCE - the Bills are. But with Dalton as their QB (and I believe he will be) New England will be a playoff contender. With Sitdham / Hoyer they are a 6 win team. I think our fans underestimate the Patriots. Yeah Brady was elite but their defense is very good. Still think they are equal to us in that. Offensively we are counting on Josh coming up big. We're facing a much harder schedule this year as well. Not being negative but being objective I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. Even with Dalton, the Pats are not the favourites for the AFCE - the Bills are. But with Dalton as their QB (and I believe he will be) New England will be a playoff contender. With Sitdham / Hoyer they are a 6 win team. Would you consider Dalton an upgrade over Brady? I would. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: At least he has an arm. I don’t think he’s healthy though Flacco's flaccid again?! Poor guy! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, stuvian said: he'll be lucky to get a back up job I'd love to see him a back up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) After opening this thread, I googled Andy Dalton. The first reference to his leaving Cincinnati was at NESN (New England Sports Network), so the vultures are circling. The article, however, did say that the betting favorites to sign Dalton are not New England, but Jacksonville and San Diego. I would not rule out New England, but their cap situation would make it difficult to get into even a modest bidding war if there is competition to sign him. Edited April 30, 2020 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, nucci said: you think they'll sign a QB for $22M? They are not signing one for 2M that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) I'm sure the Pats are interested, but I dont see how they actually pull of signing him with their current cap situation. Cutting Thurney just for a shot at having Andy Dalton for 1 year doesnt sound like a Belichick move. 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: Would you consider Dalton an upgrade over Brady? I would. Hell no. Dalton may be younger and able to scramble a little better, but no one.. NO ONE runs that quick release passing game better than Brady. Edited April 30, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Bills aren’t bringing in anyone that could look better than Allen. I both hate it and also understand it. I have to ask. What QB was out there, that the Bills could have drafted or signed, that would look better than Josh Allen? 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: didnt we only beat them by 4 points at home and they ended up being the worst team in football? dalton is good. we need to be better You are correct. We did beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. Even with Dalton, the Pats are not the favourites for the AFCE - the Bills are. But with Dalton as their QB (and I believe he will be) New England will be a playoff contender. With Sitdham / Hoyer they are a 6 win team. I honestly don't see much of a difference between Dalton or any other bum. Dalton constantly implodes during games. He may take more stupid risks than a Stidham would. Don't care who they have at QB TBH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Patriots QB will be Stidham That’s what I’m thinking as well , BB had enough time to evaluate him and make a decision , Stidham also had a year to learn the system ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Dalton doesn’t concern me, given the dearth of offensive weaponry on the Patriots roster, assuming he lands there of course. He would make our matchups with them more difficult and more interesting ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I dont "hate" Dalton, but I fully believe his entire career was made by AJ Green and the option of "when in doubt, chuck it up to AJ". And it hasnt even been that great of a career with that option. I dont see how the Pats can sign him, but I aint scurred even if they do. Just now, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Dalton doesn’t concern me, given the dearth of offensive weaponry on the Patriots roster, assuming he lands there of course. He would make our matchups with them more difficult and more interesting ... And in order to sign Dalton, theyd have to cut Sanu and Thurney, making that unit even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Putin said: That’s what I’m thinking as well , BB had enough time to evaluate him and make a decision , Stidham also had a year to learn the system ... Dalton Does NOTHING for the Patriots. They dont win a SB with him, and if anything hurt their chance for QB evaluation and QB in 2021. They will roll with Stidham and let the cards fall as they will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 If the Patriots want him they will not let the salary cap stop them. They will find a way around it even if they have to ask the NFL to raise it for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont "hate" Dalton, but I fully believe his entire career was made by AJ Green and the option of "when in doubt, chuck it up to AJ". And it hasnt even been that great of a career with that option. I dont see how the Pats can sign him, but I aint scurred even if they do. And in order to sign Dalton, theyd have to cut Sanu and Thurney, making that unit even worse. True, unless they make that salary cut where they’re deepest - the secondary, perhaps by trading Gilmore? I have no idea about the cap ramifications however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: Pats on line 1 They don’t have money to sign him and dalton is not taking a Winston like deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: True, unless they make that salary cut where they’re deepest - the secondary, perhaps by trading Gilmore? I have no idea about the cap ramifications however Before 6/1 2020 Dead Cap: $15,341,6682020 2020 Cap Savings: $3,329,165 After 6/1 2020 Dead Cap: $7,670,834 2021 Dead Cap: $7,670,834 2020 Cap Savings: $10,999,999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: didnt we only beat them by 4 points at home and they ended up being the worst team in football? dalton is good. we need to be better My point is... we were. We are. Dalton is serviceable, which is more than NE has right now. We are a much better built football team than NE right now. Our cap situation is eons better, but that doesn't win games each week. So we will just have to go out there and show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) I think he lands in Pittsburgh, 1 year deal behibd Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger simply can't make it through a 16 game season. He's only made it through 4 times in his whole career. Dalton is familiar with the division and would love the chance to make the Bengals pay. Ps, i don't think anyone wants to play for New England without Brady. Brady was NE, not Belichick. Players arent going to just throw themselves at NE like they used to. 8 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Edited April 30, 2020 by TwistofFate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Putin said: That’s what I’m thinking as well , BB had enough time to evaluate him and make a decision , Stidham also had a year to learn the system ... stidham can throw ill timed INTs just as well as dalton. My head would explode if belichick signed him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: True, unless they make that salary cut where they’re deepest - the secondary, perhaps by trading Gilmore? I have no idea about the cap ramifications however 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Before 6/1 2020 Dead Cap: $15,341,6682020 2020 Cap Savings: $3,329,165 After 6/1 2020 Dead Cap: $7,670,834 2021 Dead Cap: $7,670,834 2020 Cap Savings: $10,999,999 Thanks for the info Bobby. And even with that, just like cutting Thurney, moving Gilmore to sign Dalton does more harm to the Pats than good. They are better with Thurney or with Gilmore, than they are without them and with Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Gugny said: Would you consider Dalton an upgrade over Brady? I would. No, not even close. Apparently you don't remember how Brady carved us up effortlessly the last time we played him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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