offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) I agree with the majority. My biggest arguement against bringing in a guy like AJ Green is his health and he would have to clear a thorough physical. There is no question that he is the much better player when healthy. A healthy Green would make our offense extremely potent and would give defensive coaches headaches. For the people who said the teams aren't thinking about this trade, A. You don't know that and B. that's why I said hypothetical. I know from experience on this site though that half the people answer posts logically and the other half live to bash. All good, Go Bills! Edited April 28, 2020 by offsides#76FredSmerlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: No. You know Diggs will want the ball. Brown is a good teammate and will pay his role as a #2. Green is not used to being a #2. Besides, Brown and Josh already click, We might not have enough footballs to go around if you add Green.: Diggs - Brown or AJ Green - Beasley - The TE - Singletary/Moss - 4th Wideout Agree about the already established chemistry between Brown and Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 This would be a no brainer deal for the Bills if it was on the table. AJ Green is an elite WR with the ability to dominate a game...John Brown does not possess such a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) This thread seems to be going well... LOL As expected, my answer is also NO. Brown is a gonna eat this year with Diggs drawing the top coverage now. 2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: This would be a no brainer deal for the Bills if it was on the table. AJ Green is an elite WR with the ability to dominate a game...John Brown does not possess such a thing. I dont get it...Is AJ Green elite at playing WR on Madden? Because in the NFL he just doesn't play much given he is always hurt. Edited April 28, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This thread seems to be going well... LOL As expected, my answer is also NO. Brown is a gonna eat this year with Diggs drawing the top coverage now. I dont get it...Is AJ Green elite at playing WR on Madden? Because in the NFL he just doesn't play much given he is always hurt. John Brown isn't known as an Ironman in his own right FWIW. AJ Green has dominated for years. He decided to sit out the remainder of last season after the Bengals were in the tank so he could be 100% if he was able to be a free agent. I doubt John Brown is in this teams plans after his contract expires the year after next season. AJ Green is healthy and will most likely return to pro bowl form. Keep looking to hit singles while champions take home run cuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Haven’t read all of this because I threw up in my mouth when I saw AJ Green. My Lord, when will people push past this????? He’s well past his prime and JB is still very productive...also doesn’t get hurt like AJG. Please, for the love of all things holy, make the AJG threads stop!!! ? We have STEFON DIGGS!!!!!!!!!!!! AJG has not had a much better season than Brown since 2015: FIVE YEARS ago! Plus, he’s a year older and will demand way more money. Absolutely not. Edited April 28, 2020 by TroutDog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: I would not do that trade, primarily because of Green’s injury issues recently. That, and Brown seems to be trending up the last two seasons. Peak AJ Green is a better player for sure. But I don’t think peak AJ exists anymore. I think anyone who think AJ Green will be special this year does not understand the toll his injury will take on his performance at his age. He is unlikely to outrun any DB and will have to be more physical than them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, BeastMaster said: John Brown isn't known as an Ironman in his own right FWIW. AJ Green has dominated for years. He decided to sit out the remainder of last season after the Bengals were in the tank so he could be 100% if he was able to be a free agent. I doubt John Brown is in this teams plans after his contract expires the year after next season. AJ Green is healthy and will most likely return to pro bowl form. Keep looking to hit singles while champions take home run cuts how many games has John Brown missed due to injury in the last two seasons then? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Injuries are a real thing. AJ Green missed a big chunk of 2016, half of 2018 and all of 2019. He's had problems with his hamstring, his toe, his ankle - all of which are extremely important to a WR. In his prime, Green was among the best WRs in the league. Today, he's basically a long-shot to ever get meaningful snaps on a football field again. John Brown isn't much younger, but he's healthy. Which makes all the difference in the world. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Completely disagree with you. A.J. Green hasnt been a top player at his position in going on five seasons. His production since then has been easily replaced on his own team by Tyler Boyd. John Brown's 2019 season is arguably the best season a Bills wideout has had since Stevie Johnson in 2010. That said, I'd say Brown's importance to Buffalo eclipses what Green has meant to Cincinnati. A.J. Green's upside hasn't been in play for close to five years now. No way you trade a known resource, for a player thats 30 years old, and has played nine games in two years just because he is tall and used to be good. If you want to go that route Demaryius Thomas is a free agent. Green was having one of the best seasons of his career before he got hurt in 2018. In 9 games he had better numbers than Brown had in 16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Injuries are a real thing. AJ Green missed a big chunk of 2016, half of 2018 and all of 2019. He's had problems with his hamstring, his toe, his ankle - all of which are extremely important to a WR. In his prime, Green was among the best WRs in the league. Today, he's basically a long-shot to ever get meaningful snaps on a football field again. John Brown isn't much younger, but he's healthy. Which makes all the difference in the world. Never take meaningful snaps again? Where do people come up with this? He’s 100% healthy right now by all accounts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) These hypothetical trade threads always remind me of when my kids were little and they would ask questions like “would you rather get eaten by a shark or a bear?” Why they would ask, I have no idea. But they just kept doing it! Like the AJ Green idea. Someone (I forget who, sorry) had a trade for Diggs thread once.....and it actually happened! That’s the only time I can remember it coming to be, but there weren’t endless trade for Diggs threads. Oh, and I’m another NO thank you. If AJ was younger, and healthier, them MAYBE I’d think about taking on the extra expense....but he is what he is. Edited April 28, 2020 by Augie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 No. Simply no. What is this obsession with AJ Green? Get over it, eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Augie said: These hypothetical trade threads always remind me of when my kids were little and they would ask questions like “would you rather get eaten by a shark or a bear?” Why they would ask, I have no idea. But they just kept doing it! Like the AJ Green idea. Someone (I forget who, sorry) had a trade for Diggs thread once.....and it actually happened! That’s the only time I can remember it coming to be, but there weren’t endless trade for Diggs threads. Oh, and I’m another NO thank you. If AJ was younger, and healthier, them MAYBE I’d think about taking on the extra expense....but he is what he is. Shark. Hands down!!!! When you get to the ‘golden gates’ would you rather say we’re eaten by a bear or shark? Shark is just WAY more cool. ? I particularly enjoyed when my kids would get really deep in and, by the fourth or fifth ‘round’ say something along the lines of, “Would you rather have tiny incisions made all over you and then be drowned in salt or be put into a room of nails...on all sides?” That’s when I’d break down and say, “Why are we doing this?” ? At any rate, the latter two both remind me of AJG threads!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Shark. Hands down!!!! When you get to the ‘golden gates’ would you rather say we’re eaten by a bear or shark? Shark is just WAY more cool. ? I particularly enjoyed when my kids would get really deep in and, by the fourth or fifth ‘round’ say something along the lines of, “Would you rather have tiny incisions made all over you and then be drowned in salt or be put into a room of nails...on all sides?” That’s when I’d break down and say, “Why are we doing this?” ? At any rate, the latter two both remind me of AJG threads!!!! Did cats start disappearing around your neighborhood? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Augie said: Did cats start disappearing around your neighborhood? No, but the one who primarily brought it up went into the medical field. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM? John Brown for AJ Green AJ Green is not happy in Cincy and wants a new deal. He is a perennial pro bowler, (7 pro bowls). AJ Green has only played 4 full seasons out of 9. He probably would play 2 more years tops. Personally I think for the short term he would be amazing on the other side of Diggs, almost like what James Lofton was for Andre Reed. He is great with the intermediate and deep ball and has a knack for the end zone. John Brown's value has never been higher. He is coming off a great year with Buffalo and has 2 years remaining on his contract. He lacks size but is a very good route runner and came through in the clutch many times for us last year. John Brown has only played 2 full seasons out of 6. AJ Green (will be 32yrs old when the season begins) John Brown (will be 30yrs old when the season begins) 6'4 5'11 9 seasons 6 seasons 75 catches per season avg 48 catches per season avg 1,113 yards per season avg 715 yards per season avg 8 td's per season avg 5 td's per season avg 7 pro bowls 0 pro bowls I love John Brown. Watched him play last year pretty closely. As he played Bills #1 Rec. Just great player. With Diggs taking that spot ? Brown and Beasley should be killing it. I would not be surprised to see Brown fighting it out for Top Receiving yards and other stats. No longer need a #1 WR now we gots 1a and 1b. Go Bills ps never get greedy my friend : ) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Augie said: These hypothetical trade threads always remind me of when my kids were little and they would ask questions like “would you rather get eaten by a shark or a bear?” Why they would ask, I have no idea. But they just kept doing it! Like the AJ Green idea. Someone (I forget who, sorry) had a trade for Diggs thread once.....and it actually happened! That’s the only time I can remember it coming to be, but there weren’t endless trade for Diggs threads. Oh, and I’m another NO thank you. If AJ was younger, and healthier, them MAYBE I’d think about taking on the extra expense....but he is what he is. If AJ was younger and healthier it would be a no brainer! I'm not saying I am all in on this idea but wanted feedback from the group. I think the injuries would have to be 100% cleared without a doubt but at his age he is more susceptible to getting hurt again so that could be a red flag. If you told me we could get 2 healthy seasons from him though I would do this deal without blinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: If AJ was younger and healthier it would be a no brainer! I'm not saying I am all in on this idea but wanted feedback from the group. I think the injuries would have to be 100% cleared without a doubt but at his age he is more susceptible to getting hurt again so that could be a red flag. If you told me we could get 2 healthy seasons from him though I would do this deal without blinking. That is a completely different proposition than what was initially proposed. ? I would still stick with Brown, all things considered. Props to making a semi-reasonable AJG thread...but please stop! (Superfluous ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, TroutDog said: That is a completely different proposition than what was initially proposed. ? I would still stick with Brown, all things considered. Props to making a semi-reasonable AJG thread...but please stop! (Superfluous ?) @White Linen: what were you confused about? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Good topic. To hell with all the posters that tell you to stop. I love the hypothetical stuff. As for your idea, I would pass. Brown is healthy, has very good hands, runs all routes, and is already under contract. I would have traded a 3rd round pick for AJ before the Diggs deal. But even giving up a #1, the Diggs deal is better. Diggs is younger, healthier, and cheaper. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 John Brown is 2 years younger and coming off of back to back healthy and productive seasons. AJ Green hasn't had a healthy season since 2017 and has been hurt 3 out of the past 4 seasons. Stop with this AJ Green bull####. You are falling in love with a name and not what the actual player is likely to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Good topic. To hell with all the posters that tell you to stop. I love the hypothetical stuff. As for your idea, I would pass. Brown is healthy, has very good hands, runs all routes, and is already under contract. I would have traded a 3rd round pick for AJ before the Diggs deal. But even giving up a #1, the Diggs deal is better. Diggs is younger, healthier, and cheaper. Thanks Ethan, I find most of the people who post do nothing more than show you an article from the Buffalo News or ESPN. They see a guy who was cut and ask "What about bringing this guy in?" There is nothing wrong with that either but when I post I try to bring something more to the table. There have been a lot of AJ Green posts in the past by others I guess but maybe that's because certain fans think he would be a great addition to the team. I don't eat sleep and drink 24 hours a day on this site so I didn't realize it was that overblown. Before last season AJ Greens name would have brought a way bigger buzz to the town than John Brown. I was just posing a question and didn't even take a side. It doesn't matter what post you read there are always those who will bash the post. Being 50 years old and a fan since the Fergy era I have seen in all. At the end of the day if we win we are all happy, Go Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:11 PM, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM? John Brown for AJ Green AJ Green is not happy in Cincy and wants a new deal. He is a perennial pro bowler, (7 pro bowls). AJ Green has only played 4 full seasons out of 9. He probably would play 2 more years tops. Personally I think for the short term he would be amazing on the other side of Diggs, almost like what James Lofton was for Andre Reed. He is great with the intermediate and deep ball and has a knack for the end zone. John Brown's value has never been higher. He is coming off a great year with Buffalo and has 2 years remaining on his contract. He lacks size but is a very good route runner and came through in the clutch many times for us last year. John Brown has only played 2 full seasons out of 6. AJ Green (will be 32yrs old when the season begins) John Brown (will be 30yrs old when the season begins) 6'4 5'11 9 seasons 6 seasons 75 catches per season avg 48 catches per season avg 1,113 yards per season avg 715 yards per season avg 8 td's per season avg 5 td's per season avg 7 pro bowls 0 pro bowls No. Can we STOP with all the AJ Green crap already please. I don’t want to go another year with people advocating for trading for a BROKE WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 12:11 PM, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM? John Brown for AJ Green AJ Green is not happy in Cincy and wants a new deal. He is a perennial pro bowler, (7 pro bowls). AJ Green has only played 4 full seasons out of 9. He probably would play 2 more years tops. Personally I think for the short term he would be amazing on the other side of Diggs, almost like what James Lofton was for Andre Reed. He is great with the intermediate and deep ball and has a knack for the end zone. John Brown's value has never been higher. He is coming off a great year with Buffalo and has 2 years remaining on his contract. He lacks size but is a very good route runner and came through in the clutch many times for us last year. John Brown has only played 2 full seasons out of 6. AJ Green (will be 32yrs old when the season begins) John Brown (will be 30yrs old when the season begins) 6'4 5'11 9 seasons 6 seasons 75 catches per season avg 48 catches per season avg 1,113 yards per season avg 715 yards per season avg 8 td's per season avg 5 td's per season avg 7 pro bowls 0 pro bowls Throw in Bengals’ 2nd rounder from next year before we can even begin talking (expect it to be between #33 to #40). As you point out, Brown’s value, coming off a 1000 yard season is higher. And I am not even considering the loss of the JA JB connection so may still not be worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Go try it in Madden and let us know hoe it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Let’s sign a guy, have him deliver and be exactly what we hoped for so we can trade him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Let’s sign a guy, have him deliver and be exactly what we hoped for so we can trade him... For a guy that hasn't played in over a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I would do that in a second 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:38 PM, JoPoy88 said: I would not do that trade, primarily because of Green’s injury issues recently. That, and Brown seems to be trending up the last two seasons. Peak AJ Green is a better player for sure. But I don’t think peak AJ exists anymore. The injuries are the big factor for me, especially with an older player like Green. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 You couldn’t make a trade like that without knowing what AJ Green looks like on the field these days. A healthy and fully functional AJ Green is easily superior to Brown, but are you really getting that? And even if you are, for how much longer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 "IF" the dollars were the same...then YES.....but they are NOT...so NO !! brown $9.7 green $17.8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Continuity will be a premium asset for teams this year. The question to say is: would our team be better with #2WR Brown embedded into our system, or with #2WR Greene new to it? I'm going Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 11:50 AM, Rocky Landing said: Continuity will be a premium asset for teams this year. The question to say is: would our team be better with #2WR Brown embedded into our system, or with #2WR Greene new to it? I'm going Brown. If healthy and that's a big "IF" I would hands down go with Green. He "was" an All Pro that gives you a different dimension with his size and wing span. I think if he is healthy you are more dynamic offensively. Look how fast Allen was able to get in rhythm with Beasley and Brown, why couldn't he do the same with Green and Diggs? Training camp might be shortened and that would be an understandable factor that would work against this idea. I would not do the trade unless my doctors new that Green was 100% over the previous injuries. I know Green has dealt with injuries that have limited his ability to produce on the field but John Brown had 3 mediocre seasons after his 1,000 yd season in 2015 and then last year he finally had another good year with the Bills. It's not like he produces year in and year out and stays injury free. We need to stop falling in love with guys so quickly as a fan base. I think this is a fairly reasonable trade that can bring high end value if Green is healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:11 PM, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM? John Brown for AJ Green AJ Green is not happy in Cincy and wants a new deal. He is a perennial pro bowler, (7 pro bowls). AJ Green has only played 4 full seasons out of 9. He probably would play 2 more years tops. Personally I think for the short term he would be amazing on the other side of Diggs, almost like what James Lofton was for Andre Reed. He is great with the intermediate and deep ball and has a knack for the end zone. John Brown's value has never been higher. He is coming off a great year with Buffalo and has 2 years remaining on his contract. He lacks size but is a very good route runner and came through in the clutch many times for us last year. John Brown has only played 2 full seasons out of 6. AJ Green (will be 32yrs old when the season begins) John Brown (will be 30yrs old when the season begins) 6'4 5'11 9 seasons 6 seasons 75 catches per season avg 48 catches per season avg 1,113 yards per season avg 715 yards per season avg 8 td's per season avg 5 td's per season avg 7 pro bowls 0 pro bowls Do you really miss the Bills sucking this much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) Seeing as A.J. Green is coming off basically a 2 yr injury & Smoke has been out there every game and is very dependable i would say just stick with what we got for the simple fact that you don't know about players coming off injury . It usually takes a player coming off injury a yr to get back to his old self Smoke will come back & be good but will Green ? Yes if he was totally healthy and played as he did before his injury's but the unknown is what's scary will he come back and have a season like Kroft did last yr or continue his unfortunate path with another injury we won't know until he's playing . But where there's Smoke there's Fire so I'll stick with Smoke ... So hypothetically saying NO THANKS !! Edited May 5, 2020 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 22 hours ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: If healthy and that's a big "IF" I would hands down go with Green. He "was" an All Pro that gives you a different dimension with his size and wing span. I think if he is healthy you are more dynamic offensively. Look how fast Allen was able to get in rhythm with Beasley and Brown, why couldn't he do the same with Green and Diggs? Training camp might be shortened and that would be an understandable factor that would work against this idea. I would not do the trade unless my doctors new that Green was 100% over the previous injuries. I know Green has dealt with injuries that have limited his ability to produce on the field but John Brown had 3 mediocre seasons after his 1,000 yd season in 2015 and then last year he finally had another good year with the Bills. It's not like he produces year in and year out and stays injury free. We need to stop falling in love with guys so quickly as a fan base. I think this is a fairly reasonable trade that can bring high end value if Green is healthy. I thought this little feller had breathed its last breath last Thursday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) No. Brown's cheaper, younger and not injury prone. The difference in salary alone would not be worth the difference in production even if Green stayed healthy. Edited May 6, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Not a chance. Green has been injury after injury in recent years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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