Phil The Thrill Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Gross Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Really, at this point there's no guarantee that any pick makes this roster, so this strikes me as a perfectly sensible pick. There's only 2 QBs on the roster. I kind of like Barkley, but let's be honest: he was signed off the street, and if they let him go, there's another Matt Barkley out there waiting for the chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/1254126151288492032?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Best player available. I wonder what Josh is thinking right now? Josh is thinking. If this guy orders ranch with his wings. He's banned from the QB room. Edited April 25, 2020 by Best Player Available 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Yeah, I didn’t watch the combine. I do watch the SEC, however, and while he is clearly cerebral, he just doesn’t have an arm or other physical tools like most NFL QB’s. Just my opinion, I’m not attempting to get anyone’s panties in a wad. ? All good brother 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Alexa, play WGR drunk callers incoming wow. I chuckled and mumbled this to myself. Suddenly, she woke up and started to play WGR. And I have never asked her to play any radio station before. Alexa >>>>> Siri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just load him up with HGH. Worked for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There was no upside!! He couldn’t make NFL throws outside of the numbers. Again, you believed in Peterman but are skeptical on Allen. We just don’t look at QBs the same way I guess. - I believe that Peterman is the worst QB to ever play. - I believe that Josh Allen is a huge talent that has made big strides. He can do absolutely everything on the football field. IMO, he’s more likely to be a league MVP than he is to flameout. FWIW, I was not an Allen guy coming out. - I also believe it’s easier to learn the game and for it to slow down than to gain physical skills. We disagree there too. I don’t see any reason to continue talking about this (especially here). If you have more that you want to add go ahead but I won’t respond so as to not totally derail this. Bottom line we disagree on QB traits. I think Fromm can and will be the Bills backup. He isn’t going to be a starter ever IMO (and that’s okay). Everyone can feel free to disagree but that’s how I feel. I think arm strength is one of the most meaningless traits to judge a QB on as it can be improved while in the league or worked around. Countless high draft picks with rocket arms that we've forgotten about. Your horse cost us the farm, so he better be right. Mine was a throwaway pick. P.S. Where do Nate & I send our rent checks for taking up all this space in your head? Edited April 25, 2020 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Oh, yeah? Did Tom Brady not beat out Drew Bledsoe? I’m a big supporter of Josh Allen but Jake Fromm was of tremendous value in the 5th. He should have been a 2nd round pick. Reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton. He could absolutely develop into a quality QB and if Josh Allen takes a step backwards you’ll probably be hearing a lot from Fromm. I don’t think that’ll happen but the Peterman comparisons are lazy. Fromm is by far a better prospect. His arm is better and can make all the throws. Will he challenge Allen? Doubt it. Allen has way too good an arm and way too much God given ability as a runner to not be a starting QB in this league but Fromm is a quality prospect. Peterman comparisons piss me off. Oh great, the Brady argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Watch them play and don’t read stats. Allen is 2,000,000,000,000,000x better than Fromm. He has a rag arm. If you were a fan of what Peterman brought you’ll love Fromm!! But is this even a comparison? It seems to me that From was drafted as a #3 developmental backup. Not a challenge to start at QB I do think that Fromm is better and more established QB than Peterman too. 7 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Some of you guys need to chill. You don’t start as a true freshman and then for three years at a major SEC program like Georgia and “suck”. True, I think people are forgetting about this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Why? Ha ha, keep flipping through. My main issue is the people that will be screaming for him. He’s strictly a backup. If everyone can agree with that we are cool. I was preparing for the “Brady was a 6th rounder” and “he’s better than Josh.” They’ve both come already. He’s not. He has a chance to be a decent backup. That was a need. It was good value for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 An honest attempt to add depth behind Allen. Career stats indicate a lack of superior talent to compete at the NFL level due to lack of arm strength. All of Fromm’s strengths are Allen weaknesses (accuracy, conservative risk taker). Allen has superior athleticism, arm strength, running ability. I love looking at stats from College in wins and losses. Fromm’s college stats are impressive. His performance in losses, indicate he’ll struggle against superior NFL talent. I see Nate Peterson 2.0 level talent, size nearly same height, weight, arm strength, but I think Fromm is a bit less of a risk taker & would function well as a backup and ability to come in and game manage the team to a few wins if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Witt everything I read and see, I really would be surprised to see this kid become something to be proud of in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: But is this even a comparison? It seems to me that From was drafted as a #3 developmental backup. Not a challenge to start at QB I do think that Fromm is better and more established QB than Peterman too. True, I think people are forgetting about this... That was a response to someone claiming that Fromm was better than Allen now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Oh, yeah? Did Tom Brady not beat out Drew Bledsoe? I’m a big supporter of Josh Allen but Jake Fromm was of tremendous value in the 5th. He should have been a 2nd round pick. Reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton. He could absolutely develop into a quality QB and if Josh Allen takes a step backwards you’ll probably be hearing a lot from Fromm. I don’t think that’ll happen but the Peterman comparisons are lazy. Fromm is by far a better prospect. His arm is better and can make all the throws. Will he challenge Allen? Doubt it. Allen has way too good an arm and way too much God given ability as a runner to not be a starting QB in this league but Fromm is a quality prospect. Peterman comparisons piss me off. Fromm has been successful and we'll see what he turns into, but I don't think he has Dalton's arm either. I hope he turns into a nice trade chip though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh great, the Brady argument... I’m sorry Fromm got closer than Fields to winning a CFB chip bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I think arm strength is one of the most meaningless traits to judge a QB on as it can be improved while in the league or worked around. Countless high draft picks with rocket arms that we've forgotten about. Your horse cost us the farm, so he better be right. Mine was a throwaway pick. P.S. Where do Nate & I send our rent checks for taking up all this space in your head? You have a gift for always ending up on the wrong side of arguments... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, keep flipping through. My main issue is the people that will be screaming for him. He’s strictly a backup. If everyone can agree with that we are cool. I was preparing for the “Brady was a 6th rounder” and “he’s better than Josh.” They’ve both come already. He’s not. He has a chance to be a decent backup. That was a need. It was good value for that. Oh yeah that’s a real long shot to start. I think that this was clearly a luxury pick and that Beane is looking to flip him for a draft pick in a season or two. If you have a good young backup QB, teams are always willing to trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Oh great, the Brady argument... It happens. I had a 2nd round grade on him. He’s accurate and while he doesn’t have a cannon he can still hit those 10 - 20 - 30yd throws with ease which happens to make up a large part of being an NFL QB. Calling him Peterman though? Why? Peterman was the worst QB to ever suit up for the Bills. That level of pessimistic negativity is unwarranted simply because they were both drafted in the 5th round. Give the kid a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: That was a response to someone claiming that Fromm was better than Allen now These are Bills fans! There were calls to replace Allen with Matt Barkley!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, purple haze said: Fromm has been successful and we'll see what he turns into, but I don't think he has Dalton's arm either. I hope he turns into a nice trade chip though. Maybe not quite, Dalton is as good uh comparison I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, keep flipping through. My main issue is the people that will be screaming for him. He’s strictly a backup. If everyone can agree with that we are cool. I was preparing for the “Brady was a 6th rounder” and “he’s better than Josh.” They’ve both come already. He’s not. He has a chance to be a decent backup. That was a need. It was good value for that. Or Montana, Unitas, Warner, etc. I mean why even have the draft? They should just call you and you can dole out the picks. Edited April 25, 2020 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m sorry Fromm got closer than Fields to winning a CFB chip bro. Fields is still playing and is a WAY better player than Fromm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Seems like a good practice squad stash. Would be shocked if we went into the season with 3 QBs on the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Fields is still playing and is a WAY better player than Fromm. More chances to throw brutal picks and lose in the CFB playoff? Wonderful. Does Braxton Miller have eligibility left? Edited April 25, 2020 by FireChans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Fromm is definitely a better Qb than Peterman was or will ever be. I'm a huge Bulldogs fan and I've always liked Fromm. He lost a ton of talent to the draft last year but still did a solid job. He will make an excellent back up for Josh. Love the pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Anyone else know Fromm from Netflix ?!? Believe the documentary is called QB1 . Follows top QBs senior High School season. He was on season 1 I believe. Entertaining stuff. Good kid. Not qualified to comment on his skill set 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: It happens. I had a 2nd round grade on him. He’s accurate and while he doesn’t have a cannon he can still hit those 10 - 20 - 30yd throws with ease which happens to make up a large part of being an NFL QB. Calling him Peterman though? Why? Peterman was the worst QB to ever suit up for the Bills. That level of pessimistic negativity is unwarranted simply because they were both drafted in the 5th round. Give the kid a chance. I have said that I think he can be (and will be) the backup. It was a good value pick at the time. The Peterman argument isn’t fair but I do think that both players lack the ability to make NFL throws outside of the numbers. I’m a realist when it comes to the Bills. I will never (and have never) blindly praised them or unfairly criticized them. My criticism of starting Peterman at the time was warranted. My defending Josh’s development is equally as warranted. Edited April 25, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Development QB that could turn into long term backup for Allen. Don't forget the expanded roster size, meaning keeping a 3rd QB is more likely. The fact that we are able to make luxury picks with a long term view is a great indicator of how far Beane has come in the roster building process in the last couple years. Chances are whatever other position player at this level of draft would likely have a hard time making roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You have a gift for always ending up on the wrong side of arguments... That's a huge compliment coming from you. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: More chances to throw brutal picks and lose in the CFB playoff? Wonderful. Does Braxton Miller have eligibility left? If you want to place a wager, I will bet you every single dime that I own that Justin Fields is drafted before the 5th round. If you believe what you are spitting out here stand behind it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, keep flipping through. My main issue is the people that will be screaming for him. He’s strictly a backup. If everyone can agree with that we are cool. I was preparing for the “Brady was a 6th rounder” and “he’s better than Josh.” They’ve both come already. He’s not. He has a chance to be a decent backup. That was a need. It was good value for that. I agree with you Kirby. Hopefully if he has to fill in for a few games if Josh gets hurt and he looks good, we could possibly flip him to a QB needy team for a first or second later. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I have said that I think he can be (and will be) the backup. It was a good value pick at the time. The Peterman argument isn’t fair but I do think that both players lack the ability to make NFL throws outside of the numbers. I’m a realist when it comes to the Bills. I will never (and have never) blindly presided them or unfairly criticized them. My criticism of starting Peterman at the time was warranted. My defending Josh’s development is equally as warranted. Ok, we agree on 2/3 things. Let’s call it a day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 59 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Jake said to the Buffalo media that Josh reached out to him and told him congratulations. Told Josh he wants to play golf with him soon. Whether you are a fan of Josh or not, he is a class act. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: Whether you are a fan of Josh or not, he is a class act. I am and he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just watching Fromm highlights and the Barkley comparison is spot on. Both Barkley and Fromm have really nice 20-yard touch throws. That’s something that JA could hopefully learn from them! excited to see if he can develop into a player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) A guy who understands coverages and has an understanding of when to give up on a play, rather than always trying to be a hero, will be a nice change of pace. Now, can he get the ball to where he wants to before the coverage does is the obvious dilemma. His football IQ and Josh's talent and we have the best QB in the league. Edited April 25, 2020 by MOVALLEYRANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: More chances to throw brutal picks and lose in the CFB playoff? Wonderful. Does Braxton Miller have eligibility left? Fields is a better pure QB than Braxton Miller. And one game doesn't change that. He's also more physically talented than Fromm and it ain't close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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