transplantbillsfan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Spain is at worst a midlevel starting guard. I don't see a weak link on the Oline granted my projection of Ford is optimistic. Dawkins - Above average LT Spain - Average at worst Mitch - Top 5 to 7 player at his position. Feliciano - Average to Above Average Ford - I project him to be more consistent in 2020 and at least be an average RT They have Long, William's, Ty and Bates off the bench all of whom I think are starting caliber players. I'm no expert at OL, so maybe Spain is just fine where he is. But correct me if I'm wrong, according to what you've said here, wasn't I correct that Spain is the weak link if you account for the fact that Ford was a rookie 2nd rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Augie said: Do you think this might scare off the Canadian crowd? Anything to keep them safely away from Chippewa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassHog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: so second best DE and second Best RB according to PFF those numbers will instantly change upon being drafted by the bills because PFF hates buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Hey look a RB in round 3 that is good.... Who would have thought that could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: Not saying we don’t want productive. But I was hoping for an explosive home run hitter to take pressure of Allen so he doesn’t have to “matriculate” the ball down the field. I was being rhetorical with what does Moss bring. I know who he is and what he does. I just think Devin does the exact same thing in “grinding” out the tough yards. I’m positive I’m going to love Moss the first time he runs someone over or moves a pile. He’s a good player. I just wanted a different type of player I think you will see the differences when they hit the field. Moss gets us those tough yards inside the 5 yard line and those 4th and 1's. I really think the homerun thing is very over blown. How many RB's go 60-70 yards to the house, happens every once in awhile. I want productivity, patience in the hole, vision, and quick feet. Speed would be an added incentive but fast top end speed really isn't needed. Edited April 25, 2020 by offsides#76FredSmerlas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I kinda like it. My feelings exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Seems like an old school, nasty physical runner. I hope he picks a number in the high 30s or 40s to go with that throw back style. Just refusing to go down and running around with a FB number out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Dawkins had a great year Spain gave up ZERO sacks Morse is an above average center but mentally he is very sharp and gets the line in the right coverage's, extremely cerebral Jon held his own and played solid for us, also filled in nicely at center when needed Ford needs to make a big jump in year two, hurt us often, wouldn't be surprised to see him get beat out by Tyler Neitzke or Daryll Williams Ok. Dawkins will earn his extension then. Beane will decide. Spain pass blocks very well. Now move people for the run. He is not strong at this aspect Morse is good. But he cost a lot of $$. Jon is fierce. And adequate most of the time Ford needs to develop and is a key. We traded up , and gave up a pick to get him. If he is not a RT he is an RG. Our line was good. When they play great I’ll say it. But not until they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Thunder and Lightning backfield? Nice!! Bringing me back to my childhood—Muncie and Galbreath (have the old football cards somewhere in my basement!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: All 5 offensive line players were playing with each other for the first time last season and Ford was a rookie at a position that takes adjusting for alot of players. Oline is a unit where continuity matters more so than any other unit. I think all 5 starters along the O-line are average or better players (all of whom are under 30) and there is quality starting caliber depth behind them. I think Ford being more consistent and the continuity will propel the unit from a mid-level unit to a top 10 unit. I hope so and it could very well happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Bob in STL said: Ok. Dawkins will earn his extension then. Beane will decide. Spain pass blocks very well. Now move people for the run. He is not strong at this aspect Morse is good. But he cost a lot of $$. Jon is fierce. And adequate most of the time Ford needs to develop and is a key. We traded up , and gave up a pick to get him. If he is not a RT he is an RG. Our line was good. When they play great I’ll say it. But not until they do. I will say this as well. Beane is smart and if we had that bad of a line he would have grabbed a guy with one of the first two picks or made a bigger splash move in free agency. I truly feel we have a very good line if we shore up the right tackle spot. Josh Allen holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the NFL and that's a fact. This obviously results in more sacks and more penalties. This reminds me of when Rob Johnson was getting smashed for 7 or 8 sacks a game and everyone said our line is not good. Then Flutie comes in and the guy gets rid of the ball in a timely manner and the sack numbers go way down. I know you aren't saying we are terrible Bob but we also might be a lot better than most realize at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Gotta be honest. I like the POSITION but not the pick, at all. Way too high for Moss, and I personally think we could have landed him in a later round. I'd have gone with WR Devin Duvernay, Texas. Yes we have Diggs, but our other starters are over 30 and this in my opinion the WR's in round 2 were of better value. Most of the WR talent are bon afide starting material, where Moss will never be more of a role player/backup. Brown and Beasley are old and will start to fade, so it's very important to add youth to an aging position.. I see this as a missed opportunity. Beane got a HIT by trading for Diggs, and then followed up with an extremely solid round 2. Didn't panic and trade up, and got a very good EDGE rusher. Bad pick in round 3. In round 4, I hope he redeems himself with one of the following (in order of preference): WR Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan CB Darnay Holmes, UCLA TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford OG Ben Bredeson, Michigan CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska OT Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn WR KJ Hill, Ohio State TE Hunter Bryant, Washington WR Juan Jennings, Tennessee WR Collin Johnson, Texas CB Troy Pride Jr. Notre Dame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Yantha said: Gotta be honest. I like the POSITION but not the pick, at all. Way too high for Moss, and I personally think we could have landed him in a later round. I'd have gone with WR Devin Duvernay, Texas. Yes we have Diggs, but our other starters are over 30 and this in my opinion the WR's in round 2 were of better value. Most of the WR talent are bon afide starting material, where Moss will never be more of a role player/backup. Brown and Beasley are old and will start to fade, so it's very important to add youth to an aging position.. I see this as a missed opportunity. Beane got a HIT by trading for Diggs, and then followed up with an extremely solid round 2. Didn't panic and trade up, and got a very good EDGE rusher. Bad pick in round 3. In round 4, I hope he redeems himself with one of the following (in order of preference): WR Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan CB Darnay Holmes, UCLA TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford OG Ben Bredeson, Michigan CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska OT Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn WR KJ Hill, Ohio State TE Hunter Bryant, Washington WR Juan Jennings, Tennessee WR Collin Johnson, Texas CB Troy Pride Jr. Notre Dame Beane said he was shocked that he was still on the board and was nervous because he wanted him so bad. Hmmmm you think we reached? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: I will say this as well. Beane is smart and if we had that bad of a line he would have grabbed a guy with one of the first two picks or made a bigger splash move in free agency. I truly feel we have a very good line if we shore up the right tackle spot. Josh Allen holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the NFL and that's a fact. This obviously results in more sacks and more penalties. This reminds me of when Rob Johnson was getting smashed for 7 or 8 sacks a game and everyone said our line is not good. Then Flutie comes in and the guy gets rid of the ball in a timely manner and the sack numbers go way down. I know you aren't saying we are terrible Bob but we also might be a lot better than most realize at that position. I think Beane is hoping another year of those 5 guys gelling will make them into an above average offensive line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: He should be a decent backup RB. Too bad we have done nothing to bolster the blocking. He's not a backup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Motor26 said: I think Beane is hoping another year of those 5 guys gelling will make them into an above average offensive line. That can only help for sure. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) It will be nice to have a 2nd RB we can hand the ball to without automatically surrendering the down. Edited April 25, 2020 by HappyDays 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I love it, great value at a position of need. Go get a WR in round 4. There won't be any wrs left by our next pick. Oh well so much for this deep wr draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: It will be nice to have a 2nd RB we can hand the ball to without automatocally surrendering the down. Man, remember Mike Tolbert? He was worse than Gore was at by the end of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Decent pick but he seems kinda slow. We should've traded up for D'Andre Swift. Hey was PAC 12 offensive player of the year over Justin Herbert the guy can flat out ball 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nick the Greek said: Personally, I wanted Cam Akers. Cool... Edited April 25, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Awful pick, awful draft. We obviously needed to draft the next Tom Brady at that spot, but instead we took some guy from Utah. What's in Utah anyway? Buncha Mormons and people that wish they were from Colorado? Psssh... pretty clear we're going 2-14 now. I mean a RB? Really? Why couldn't we just move Ed Oliver to RB & take the next Tom Brady with this pick? And don't ask me who the next Tom Brady is...I don't know, I'm not a psychic, but our GM should be dammit! JUST DRAFT THE NEXT TOM BRADY! How hard can that be? UGGGGHHH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: Beane said he was shocked that he was still on the board and was nervous because he wanted him so bad. Hmmmm you think we reached? It’s his opinion and judging by the draft grades the Bills got after taking the kid the wrong one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Motor26 said: Man, remember Mike Tolbert? He was worse than Gore was at by the end of this year. Not sure why we ever brought in TJ Yeldon, they don't like him at all and only will use him if their backs are to the wall. I know he fumbled a few times but my guess is he was coughing it up in practices to because he had a very short rope. Too bad because he catches the ball out of the backfield nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: Awful pick, awful draft. We obviously needed to draft the next Tom Brady at that spot, but instead we took some guy from Utah. What's in Utah anyway? Buncha Mormons and people that wish they were from Colorado? Psssh... pretty clear we're going 2-14 now. I mean a RB? Really? Why couldn't we just move Ed Oliver to RB & take the next Tom Brady with this pick? And don't ask me who the next Tom Brady is...I don't know, I'm not a psychic, but our GM should be dammit! JUST DRAFT THE NEXT TOM BRADY! How hard can that be? UGGGGHHH I like turtles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Yea.... the team needed offensive players who can turn drives into quick scores. Diggs is def one, but that’s it to this point. Part of the reason they had so many long scoring drives was because they lacked playmakers who could take one play to the house. They still do. John Brown, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s on WGR now and sounds pretty happy Holy moly that's a lot of miles !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said: I will say this as well. Beane is smart and if we had that bad of a line he would have grabbed a guy with one of the first two picks or made a bigger splash move in free agency. I truly feel we have a very good line if we shore up the right tackle spot. Josh Allen holds on to the ball longer than any QB in the NFL and that's a fact. This obviously results in more sacks and more penalties. This reminds me of when Rob Johnson was getting smashed for 7 or 8 sacks a game and everyone said our line is not good. Then Flutie comes in and the guy gets rid of the ball in a timely manner and the sack numbers go way down. I know you aren't saying we are terrible Bob but we also might be a lot better than most realize at that position. Ok. I’m glad you feel that way. I need to see the progress. I think the OL is decent and will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Awful pick, awful draft. We obviously needed to draft the next Tom Brady at that spot, but instead we took some guy from Utah. What's in Utah anyway? Buncha Mormons and people that wish they were from Colorado? Psssh... pretty clear we're going 2-14 now. I mean a RB? Really? Why couldn't we just move Ed Oliver to RB & take the next Tom Brady with this pick? And don't ask me who the next Tom Brady is...I don't know, I'm not a psychic, but our GM should be dammit! JUST DRAFT THE NEXT TOM BRADY! How hard can that be? UGGGGHHH They sure do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I like turtles... Screw turtles, are they the next Tom Brady? No? Then gtfo with their half land/half water BS. Wtf is that about anyway? Too good to just pick a habitat and stay there? Think they're so special because they can socially distance themselves within themselves? "Oh look at me, my house is attached to my body, whoopdeedoo!" That's nice, homeless people carry boxes around too, don't see them bragging about it. Self righteous turtle pricks. Edited April 25, 2020 by BigDingus 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: He looks thrilled... It may be more about having to compete against Singletary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Ok. I’m glad you feel that way. I need to see the progress. I think the OL is decent and will get better. No need to get snarky Bob, but I think you would agree that as Allen gets better at reading defenses and learns to get rid of the ball the line will look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Spain wiffed on a few stunts. Morse picked up a couple then a blitzer got three or a stunt forced a choice on Feliciano. He can improve, as can Ford. I’d like to see Ford get stronger and Spain lose enough weight to get quicker. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Levy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Give me wings and let me play in the snow! Great pick! Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Yantha said: Gotta be honest. I like the POSITION but not the pick, at all. Way too high for Moss, and I personally think we could have landed him in a later round. I'd have gone with WR Devin Duvernay, Texas. Yes we have Diggs, but our other starters are over 30 and this in my opinion the WR's in round 2 were of better value. Most of the WR talent are bon afide starting material, where Moss will never be more of a role player/backup. Brown and Beasley are old and will start to fade, so it's very important to add youth to an aging position.. I see this as a missed opportunity. Beane got a HIT by trading for Diggs, and then followed up with an extremely solid round 2. Didn't panic and trade up, and got a very good EDGE rusher. Bad pick in round 3. In round 4, I hope he redeems himself with one of the following (in order of preference): WR Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan CB Darnay Holmes, UCLA TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford OG Ben Bredeson, Michigan CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska OT Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn WR KJ Hill, Ohio State TE Hunter Bryant, Washington WR Juan Jennings, Tennessee WR Collin Johnson, Texas CB Troy Pride Jr. Notre Dame I think you're wrong. Almost every mock had him going in the 3rd, often higher than where he actually went. So why is your analysis more accurate than the "experts" and the actual GM who gets paid millions to do it, a GM that has been pretty successful to this point? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MJS said: I think you're wrong. Almost every mock had him going in the 3rd, often higher than where he actually went. So why is your analysis more accurate than the "experts" and the actual GM who gets paid millions to do it, a GM that has been pretty successful to this point? To echo this, these guys do so much prep for the draft. Including mock drafts within the organization, examine what needs other organizations have through film, reach out to get a feel for what other teams are looking to do. This isn't a fantasy football draft where you just nab the guy that Yahoo says is ranked the highest. There is some strategy to it... So if Beane is saying he was trying to trade UP in the 3rd round for fear of Moss being taken before 86... I'm going to guess that he would not have lasted to our next pick in the 4th. Media Mock Drafts and rankings are NOT NFL organizations Mock Drafts and rankings... and I'm definitely not trusting the intuition or insight of guys on a message board that "know football" because they played in HS, watch ESPN and read CBS Sports mock drafts. Edited April 25, 2020 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: To echo this, these guys do so much prep for the draft. Including mock drafts within the organization, examine what needs other organizations have through film, reach out to get a feel for what other teams are looking to do. This isn't a fantasy football draft where you just nab the guy that Yahoo says is ranked the highest. There is some strategy to it... So if Beane is saying he was trying to trade UP in the 3rd round for fear of Moss being taken before 86... I'm going to guess that he would not have lasted to our next pick in the 4th. Media Mock Drafts and rankings are NOT NFL organizations Mock Drafts and rankings... and I'm definitely not trusting the intuition or insight of guys on a message board that "know football" because they played in HS, watch ESPN and read CBS Sports mock drafts. But even the media mock drafts had him going in the 3rd round, so I don't see why anyone would think he would be available in the 4th, especially where the Bills are picking. And if Beane thought he needed to trade up for him, as you mentioned, that's clear evidence that there was interest from other teams. Beane isn't a fool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Screw turtles, are they the next Tom Brady? No? Then gtfo with their half land/half water BS. Wtf is that about anyway? Too good to just pick a habitat and stay there? Think they're so special because they can socially distance themselves within themselves? "Oh look at me, my house is attached to my body, whoopdeedoo!" That's nice, homeless people carry boxes around too, don't see them bragging about it. Self righteous turtle pricks. I gotta admit...this is gold! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MJS said: But even the media mock drafts had him going in the 3rd round, so I don't see why anyone would think he would be available in the 4th, especially where the Bills are picking. And if Beane thought he needed to trade up for him, as you mentioned, that's clear evidence that there was interest from other teams. Beane isn't a fool. There is a 0% chance Moss would have dropped to the 4th. I was actually surprised he didn’t get taken in the 2nd with the run on RBs. We are lucky a couple of surprises went before him. Beane was probably so nervous, the RBs have been completely picked over now. Edited April 25, 2020 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: I know it’s crazy as a bills fan to go past are we functional to discussing are we fully optimal that’s all I was doing. We added good players and we should function. I think in a dream roster we have a bit more speed but it doesn’t mean we aren’t a functioning group. The Bills have the players to be optimal. You can add Ruggs and Dobbins and Whoever else. I saw Smoke Brown running free down field in games and being over thrown. I was at the Philly game watching Foster running down field and being over thrown. I saw Allen put the ball on Duke Williams in the end zone in Houston and he didn't catch the rock. I've seen Knox drop passes that would have kept drives alive. Singletary gets chunk yards often. How about they give him more work? Diggs will be open, often, at every level of the field. The Bills have the talent. They need the execution. Edited April 25, 2020 by purple haze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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