Wonderlic scores

[Kirby Jackson]

I really only worry about the Wonderlic if it’s extreme. I don’t really care if a guy gets an 18 or a 22. It’s a red flag though if he has a 6. 

[Bss]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

You really can’t “prepare” for the wonderlic 

Vince Young took it and got a 6, then prepared for it and got a 16 the next day. It wasn't enough to make him look smart but it did take him from very dumb to kinda dumb 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

You really can’t “prepare” for the wonderlic 

Since it's a timed test you at least have to be cognizant of spending too much time on one question.  That's pry the biggest thing.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Since it's a timed test you at least have to be cognizant of spending too much time on one question.  That's pry the biggest thing.

Yeah I just don’t think you can study for it. 20 is considered average and 10 is considered literate. Guys who are able to significantly increase their score the 2nd time must have not even paid attention to it the first time 

[SmokinES3]

18 minutes ago, Bss said:

Lamar didn't have an agent so the person preparing him for the wonderlic was probably his mom. Don't know Tuas excuse hes surrounded in talent and has guys like trent dilfer working with him.

A potential first round pick having his mom as his agent is an excuse? To me it's a correlation.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah I just don’t think you can study for it. 20 is considered average and 10 is considered literate. Guys who are able to significantly increase their score the 2nd time must have not even paid attention to it the first time 

That's just not true. You can easily prepare for it just like any other test.

[SmokinES3]

30 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's pretty basic information like math and language and problem solving, but the tough part is answering all the questions in the allotted time.

 

I just don't understand how some guys can score so low. It's literally their job to do well on it. They have months to prepare for it. Anyone preparing for the combine should be practicing for it. To me, the score isn't as concerning as the complete lack of preparation, because if you take the test only 2-3 times beforehand and study just a bit, your score should get better and better. But apparently some guys aren't interested at all in preparing for it. I don't think the scores say much about mental ability as much as they say about attitude and willingness to prepare and take things seriously.

 

As a college graduate taking it in my mid twenties I scored a 34 without knowing anything about it. If I studied a bit and took it a few times I bet I could get up to 40 pretty easily.

Idk about a 40 personally, but I had a similar experience. High 20's to low 30's was not as issue.

It makes you question more than the intelligence of someone in the low-mid teens. More motivation/preparation as you said.

Edited April 18, 2020 by SmokinES3

[Bangarang]

25 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

Maybe...but then, it's not your money or job on the line if you select one of the dummies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It’s probably one of the last things I would care about when it comes to evaluating a player. 
 

 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I really only worry about the Wonderlic if it’s extreme. I don’t really care if a guy gets an 18 or a 22. It’s a red flag though if he has a 6. 

 

I think position matters. A CB or edge bothers me less than a C or QB, for example. Still, watch the tape. That tells you most of what you need to know. 

 

I heard Fitz on Mike & Mike years ago (before ESPN decided to wreck the last good thing they had) and they asked something like “if you have 3 pairs of pants, 5 shirts and 6 ties, how many outfits do you have?” Fitz took less than a second to answer. (You multiply the numbers.) I couldn’t have done it that fast with a calculator! 

 

Fitzy has played life well, to date. I wonder how his earnings stack up to Joe Montana? 

[MJS]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

You really can’t “prepare” for the wonderlic 

Here's a source that teaches how to prepare for it:

https://www.recruiter.com/i/wonderlic-101-what-it-is-and-how-to-beat-it/

 

Here's a quote:

 

"Familiarizing yourself with the exam and giving yourself as many opportunities to practice are essential to improving your score. Most people come away disappointed with their results because they did not prepare for the time constraint. Practicing will allow you to get familiar with the content of the exam and also get into a good rhythm so you can maximize your score."

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It’s probably one of the last things I would care about when it comes to evaluating a player. 

Everything is a piece to the puzzle. You get as much information as possible on every prospect. And if a player has a bad score on the wonderlic you do more digging to try to identify why. But yeah, ultimately their game tape matters the most.

[K-9]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Qb is really the only position I think the wonderlic could/should be a factor. That and maybe Center. Essentially it’s measuring how quickly one processes information, as I understand it. 

I’d include all OL positions, MLB, and safety in that group as well.

[MJS]

51 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’d include all OL positions, MLB, and safety in that group as well.

I think it applies to any position. If you have two prospects who are essentially equal in all other facets, but one guy has a higher wonderlic AND you percieve that prospect to be a little smarter, then you rate that guy above the other.

 

It's a tiny piece of the much larger puzzle and is relevant for practically every position.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, Bss said:

Jim Kelly got a 15. Terry Bradshaw and McNair did too. 

Combined?

 

EDIT:  I am sure I am insulting McNair with that comment.  ?

Edited April 18, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

Fitzy has played life well, to date. I wonder how his earnings stack up to Joe Montana? 

Yes, but consider the intangibles...the number of different team jerseys hanging in the closet.  ?

[K-9]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I think it applies to any position. If you have two prospects who are essentially equal in all other facets, but one guy has a higher wonderlic AND you percieve that prospect to be a little smarter, then you rate that guy above the other.

 

It's a tiny piece of the much larger puzzle and is relevant for practically every position.

That’s certainly true. I was basically referring to the relative amount of playbook material generally devoted to the various positions. 

[CSBill]

Average Score of the Alabama play makers (Judy 9, Tua 19, Ruggs 20) = 16

 

Tough admissions standards down there in the deep south.

Edited April 18, 2020 by CSBill

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Average Score of the Alabama play makers (Judy 9, Tua 19, Ruggs 20) = 16

 

Though admissions standards down there in the deep south.

That made me think about the poster who spent considerable time trying to convince everyone that Bama was the Harvard of the south a couple years ago. Anyone else remember that? Skydiver I think?

[CSBill]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That made me think about the poster who spent considerable time trying to convince everyone that Bama was the Harvard of the south a couple years ago. Anyone else remember that? Skydiver I think?

 

Yeah, I do. I work with two bama grads, both have doctorates. But neither played on the football team. ?

Edited April 18, 2020 by CSBill

[Blokestradamus]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That made me think about the poster who spent considerable time trying to convince everyone that Bama was the Harvard of the south a couple years ago. Anyone else remember that? Skydiver I think?

 

I will accept that if he called it Hillbilly Harvard.

[TigerJ]

Wonderlic isn't the be all end all, even for quarterbacks, but you would be fooling yourself if you thought it was irrelevant.

[Hebert19]

The wonderlic tells me this.  Fitz is really a pathetic display physically as a QB but he has had a pretty good career because hes smart.  If you get a high wonderlic and can apply it then you have a good chance to be a good qb.  See allen and mahomes.  Being smart is only part of the issue.  Being smart and applying it is the biggest part. 

[BobChalmers]

12 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

So Jedrick Willis Christmas-tree'd it the first time and actually tried the second?

 

Having tried it online myself, I'm betting he spent to much time on individual answers - the hardest part about it is that it goes really fast.

 

Josh Allen got a 37 I believe - best of all the top QB's in that touted 2018 class.  The "genius" Josh Rosen was in the mid-20's if I remember right.

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

Average Score of the Alabama play makers (Judy 9, Tua 19, Ruggs 20) = 16

 

Though admissions standards down there in the deep south.

 

You really want to carefully check your typing when mocking someone else's intelligence!!!   ?

 

Honestly for WR's 19 and 20 are pretty good.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

Having tried it online myself, I'm betting he spent to much time on individual answers - the hardest part about it is that it goes really fast.

 

Josh Allen got a 37 I believe - best of all the top QB's in that touted 2018 class.  The "genius" Josh Rosen was in the mid-20's if I remember right.

Rumor is that Rosen tried to write with a Silver Spoon and not a pencil. Have to cut him some slack on that one. 

 

Breer was using Patriot tactics and saying Allen was a rock head prior to the draft. Couple that with the draft day tweet release and I’m still certain the Patsies had their eyes on our prize 

[iinii]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

That's just not true. You can easily prepare for it just like any other test.

Exactly. My wife does test prep for the ACT, SAT and it is abundantly clear her efforts don’t make kids “smarter”, they are just VERY prepared and their scores prove it. She could have saved the Loughlin’s hundreds of thousands of dollars and a lot of embarrassment. 

[bigK14094]

13 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I hate the Wonderlic stuff so much. I think it is beyond pointless. 

Not so, really.  CJ Spiller was a 7...and, he had so much trouble learning the play book that the Bills had the RB coach signaling in what to do from the sideline...he couldn't get the calls in the huddle.

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

They should test Jeudy and Higgins for lead poisoning...

[Bangarang]

17 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Not so, really.  CJ Spiller was a 7...and, he had so much trouble learning the play book that the Bills had the RB coach signaling in what to do from the sideline...he couldn't get the calls in the huddle.

Assuming this is true, that says more about our scouts, coaches and front office at the time than it does the Wonderlic.
 

With how much research and digging teams do for the draft, you’d think It would have been known that he had trouble learning plays. It shouldn’t take a Wonderlic to figure that out. There have been guys who scored low and went on to have great and HoF worthy careers.

[DuckyBoys]

Anyone else besides me find it appalling any college student would struggle that mightily?  First its multiple choice, you have a 1 in 4 chance of guessing answers.  Second its basic math/reasoning/language skills with some history questions.  The trick is to make sure you complete all 50 questions and not stay stuck on one.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, DuckyBoys said:

Anyone else besides me find it appalling any college student would struggle that mightily?  First its multiple choice, you have a 1 in 4 chance of guessing answers.  Second its basic math/reasoning/language skills with some history questions.  The trick is to make sure you complete all 50 questions and not stay stuck on one.

No, because most football players aren’t “college students”. 

[schoolhouserock]

Way to go, Nate! The guy could make a great coach one day.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That made me think about the poster who spent considerable time trying to convince everyone that Bama was the Harvard of the south a couple years ago. Anyone else remember that? Skydiver I think?

Not Bama! It was Mizzou where Brad Smith went. “Everyone acts like Brad Smith is some kind of dummy!”

[YoloinOhio]

46 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Not Bama! It was Mizzou where Brad Smith went. “Everyone acts like Brad Smith is some kind of dummy!”

It was a couple years ago and in reaction to Rosen making some flippant comment about Bama when he was talking about the difference between UCLA. The poster hated Rosen and started multiple threads about bama being Ivy League caliber and pulled all this data, it was fascinating  how invested he was in it ?

Edited April 18, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[DuckyBoys]

49 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

No, because most football players aren’t “college students”. 

someone that graduated high school 20 years ago should be able to get 25 or better on that test let alone a person that took any college classes  But I get your point  My part timer at work teaches at a local community college and he gets to teach algebra prep to collegian athletes  Quite the shore to pass them in the most basic fundamentals

[SirAndrew]

14 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

someone that graduated high school 20 years ago should be able to get 25 or better on that test let alone a person that took any college classes  But I get your point  My part timer at work teaches at a local community college and he gets to teach algebra prep to collegian athletes  Quite the shore to pass them in the most basic fundamentals

These guys are in college to play football, not to be students. Many of those players were afforded the same luxury in high school. There are also many brilliant players in the NFL, who were exceptional students, but other guys skate through all levels of education because their football skills. Those are the guys with pathetically low Wonderlic scores. Keep in mind, not all high schools/colleges are created equal, so you also have that. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That made me think about the poster who spent considerable time trying to convince everyone that Bama was the Harvard of the south a couple years ago. Anyone else remember that? Skydiver I think?

Alabama is a very good school academically as long as you exempt the athletes, which is true of any school that regularly is top 5 in sports.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Alabama is a very good school academically as long as you exempt the athletes, which is true of any school that regularly is top 5 in sports.

That’s fine I’m not judging any school, and personally couldn’t care less about it . This guy’s schtick though on it being the Ivy League of the south was freaking amazing though and very entertaining. It never ended. When one thread got locked he just started another. The best part was he didn’t even attend, let alone graduate from,  that university. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Orlando Tim]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s fine I’m not judging any school, and personally couldn’t care less about it . This guy’s schtick though on it being the Ivy League of the south was freaking amazing though and very entertaining. It never ended. When one thread got locked he just started another. The best part was he didn’t even attend, let alone graduate from,  that university. 

I understand- I have heard many times how bad academically the SEC schools are based on the football players alone but obviously that guy was going to  the extreme the other direction 

[SirAndrew]

44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s fine I’m not judging any school, and personally couldn’t care less about it . This guy’s schtick though on it being the Ivy League of the south was freaking amazing though and very entertaining. It never ended. When one thread got locked he just started another. The best part was he didn’t even attend, let alone graduate from,  that university. 

Typical Bama fan though, most of them couldn’t even get accepted at the school. The stereotypical Bama fan is even a joke amongst SEC circles. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by SirAndrew

[CSBill]

4 hours ago, BobChalmers said:

 

Having tried it online myself, I'm betting he spent to much time on individual answers - the hardest part about it is that it goes really fast.

 

Josh Allen got a 37 I believe - best of all the top QB's in that touted 2018 class.  The "genius" Josh Rosen was in the mid-20's if I remember right.

 

You really want to carefully check your typing when mocking someone else's intelligence!!!   ?

 

Honestly for WR's 19 and 20 are pretty good.

Boom! You got me. I deserved that.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Often wondered what Terry Bradshaw scored.  Single digits?