Phil The Thrill Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Joe Buscaglia mocked the Bills draft by trying to run a draft as Brandon Beane’s thinking. Here’s who he came up with. Also he did simulate a draft using The Draft Network’s simulator: You can read all of the analysis and his rationale below: https://theathletic.com/1722463/2020/04/03/how-i-would-draft-for-the-bills-if-im-brandon-beane/?source=shared-article Round 2 - Kyle Duggar S Lenoir Ryne Round 3 - Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina Round 4 - John Simpson OL Clemson Round 5 - Lamical Perine RB Florida Round 7 - Charlie Heck OT North Carolina I don’t know how much I love the picks. He said that Duggar would allow the team to basically be a Nickel defense and could help offset the loss of Lorenzo Alexander. Instead of drafting Perine, I would rather give up one of the lower picks and trade up to take Zack Moss. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thank God he’s not.... 11 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just for the heck of it sign Charlie Heck? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, DFT said: Thank God he’s not.... why you’re hoping for AJ Dillion in Round 2? Not gonna happen Just now, Limeaid said: Just for the heck of it sign Charlie Heck? I hope he plays more like Charlie Hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I hope he plays more like Charlie Hell How are his hands? Might make a better TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I would like this draft very much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 What a horrific mock. Two biggest needs are pash rusher and RB and we won't address either until Rd 5? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Process said: What a horrific mock. Two biggest needs are pash rusher and RB and we won't address either until Rd 5? agree terrible mock. But disagree that RB is a “need”. I would calL RB perhaps the least need on the team. 1) it’s a devalued position 2) have a second year back that played very well last year, and used a 3rd on him last year. 3) serviceable backs are always available in FA. 4) worst case scenario, throw more 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, dubs said: agree terrible mock. But disagree that RB is a “need”. I would calL RB perhaps the least need on the team. 1) it’s a devalued position 2) have a second year back that played very well last year, and used a 3rd on him last year. 3) serviceable backs are always available in FA. 4) worst case scenario, throw more No one values rbs less then I do but it's absolutely a need. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Would love Edwards. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dugger worries me (24 years old, big fish in a small pond, is he maxed out?), but the rest of that draft has plenty to love... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I certainly don't want a safety with our first pick. Secondary is like the strongest part of our team. I'd rather have a pass rusher, linebacker, offensive lineman, RB... Oh, basically any other position besides QB, K, and P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: why you’re hoping for AJ Dillion in Round 2? Not gonna happen I hope he plays more like Charlie Hell Not at all. I’m not as concerned with the Dugger pick as I am the rest. And I don’t think any of us can really say for sure how this draft will fall. We’ve never had the variables that this draft will unfortunately have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Process said: No one values rbs less then I do but it's absolutely a need. In the literal sense, yes. They need to have a backup RB, but it’s so far down the impact and priority list, I would never really call it a need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) I agree this looks like a Beane-ish mock. I really do think they want Dugger, I'm hopeful he's a 3rd rounder for us, but could see us taking him in Round 2. He's probably just a situational Big-Nickel & ST Ace in year 1, but potential stud after that. I haven't had Bryan Edwards on my radar, but just studies up on him, and he looks like a great fit here. I really like Perine too, but I don't think he lasts to the 5th. He has the receiving ability that Singletary hasn't yet shown and would be a good fit. Edited April 4, 2020 by 947 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I'm glad Joe B is not our GM. Safety in Round 2 and WR in Round 3 would be terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, dubs said: agree terrible mock. But disagree that RB is a “need”. I would calL RB perhaps the least need on the team. 1) it’s a devalued position 2) have a second year back that played very well last year, and used a 3rd on him last year. 3) serviceable backs are always available in FA. 4) worst case scenario, throw more The team is returning 2 rushing TDs at the RB position. 2 Singletary is a nice piece between the 20s, but he’s not a guy who can get you tough yards or take on blitzing LBs in pass protection. Guys like that will always be over valued by the casual fan because they get inflated YPC stats. 2 yard TD runs don’t help YPC numbers, but they are extremely important to playing winning football. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, MJS said: I certainly don't want a safety with our first pick. Secondary is like the strongest part of our team. I'd rather have a pass rusher, linebacker, offensive lineman, RB... Oh, basically any other position besides QB, K, and P. I wonder if Bills will listen to your desire of a LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Billl said: The team is returning 2 rushing TDs at the RB position. 2 Singletary is a nice piece between the 20s, but he’s not a guy who can get you tough yards or take on blitzing LBs in pass protection. Guys like that will always be over valued by the casual fan because they get inflated YPC stats. 2 yard TD runs don’t help YPC numbers, but they are extremely important to playing winning football. When Singletary pulls a hammy or gets a high ankle sprain people will appreciate the need for a RB 1B. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, MJS said: I certainly don't want a safety with our first pick. Secondary is like the strongest part of our team. I'd rather have a pass rusher, linebacker, offensive lineman, RB... Oh, basically any other position besides QB, K, and P. I read the article and JB notes that Dugger (or Chinn) if there would come in and play the Big Nickel role in Bills D immediately. Both could probably back up Milano too. In the box, they could be run stoppers, drop in coverage or blitz off the edge. Marlowe and Neal have not been effective in that role so he sees it as a real need. Bills lack such a player now. I think Bills Offense needs a RB who can gain tough yards and play in 4 minute offense, goal line and short yardage packages. Yeldon is not that guy and worried doing so will wear Singletary down by games end. So sign one or draft one. I like AJ Dillon but not before round 4. Michael Warren from Cinci is another beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, dubs said: In the literal sense, yes. They need to have a backup RB, but it’s so far down the impact and priority list, I would never really call it a need. This is just wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, freddyjj said: I read the article and JB notes that Dugger (or Chinn) if there would come in and play the Big Nickel role in Bills D immediately. Both could probably back up Milano too. In the box, they could be run stoppers, drop in coverage or blitz off the edge. Marlowe and Neal have not been effective in that role so he sees it as a real need. Bills lack such a player now. I think Bills Offense needs a RB who can gain tough yards and play in 4 minute offense, goal line and short yardage packages. Yeldon is not that guy and worried doing so will wear Singletary down by games end. So sign one or draft one. I like AJ Dillon but not before round 4. Michael Warren from Cinci is another beast. We haven't been a team that has had comfortable enough leads to run a 4 minute offense. Of course, I'm assuming that's what you mean. I know we picked up Diggs, but we need more than just that. If possible, I'd prefer a rb that offers more than tough yds. Give me a more explosive rb please. Which is why I wouldn't mind a rb in rd 2. Edited April 4, 2020 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: why you’re hoping for AJ Dillion in Round 2? Not gonna happen If he moves up a bit it will. Dobbin is a good possibly as well with a move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I really like Bryan Edwards, but I think Duggar is too much of a projection for my tastes with limited draft choices a this year. He is for sure a terrific athlete and he did dominate his low-level competition, but he won’t have the same size/speed advantage over opponents in the NFL that he did at his college. He is also old for a rookie at 24 y.o. and would be trying to contribute early making a HUGE jump up in competition. He might pan out to be great, but I think too risky in round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 All those stating they would hate Dugger at 54 may want to try to come around to the idea, because in my opinion, it’s a reasonable possibility. For one thing, as Joe B says, it would allow the Bills to basically operate out of nickel at all times and not lose anything against the run. If the quality offensive tackles are off the board, there isn’t an edge rusher that presents good value, and they feel good about their CB2 position, a safety might well be the BPA. The WR crop is deep enough that they can wait until round 3, 4, or even 5. Running back, too, is a position that might be best addressed in rounds 3 or 4. So again, where does that leave pick number 54? BPA...and if that’s Dugger, then so be it. Lord knows I trust Beane asa talent evaluator, and I trust this regime in general when it comes to the defensive backfield. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I don't mind the Edwards pick, but the rest of that draft makes me wanna ?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I'd rather have chinn over dugger, I'f we're going small school. Edge in 3rd and Dillon in 4th. Add wr's after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Logic said: All those stating they would hate Dugger at 54 may want to try to come around to the idea, because in my opinion, it’s a reasonable possibility. For one thing, as Joe B says, it would allow the Bills to basically operate out of nickel at all times and not lose anything against the run. If the quality offensive tackles are off the board, there isn’t an edge rusher that presents good value, and they feel good about their CB2 position, a safety might well be the BPA. The WR crop is deep enough that they can wait until round 3, 4, or even 5. Running back, too, is a position that might be best addressed in rounds 3 or 4. So again, where does that leave pick number 54? BPA...and if that’s Dugger, then so be it. Lord knows I trust Beane asa talent evaluator, and I trust this regime in general when it comes to the defensive backfield. There are a TON of red flags with Dugger. And exactly how many of us have seen the kid live in a college game? Short answer........... no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Not sure if they would have signed AJ Klein if they wanted really wanted to be a plain nickel defense. Arent McDermott’s roots in the 4-3 under? Need a SaM for that. I dunno. I think Beane has to get immediate impact contributors with pick 2 and 3. I don’t hate the idea of Duggar, and I think we need an upgrade in our safety depth, but is a division 2 guy really going to be able to contribute this year or even next? Like I said in another post, I have never seen the guy play. He looked awesome at the combine but i feel like we go in the “immediate impact” direction in rounds 2 and 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not sure if they would have signed AJ Klein if they wanted really wanted to be a plain nickel defense. Arent McDermott’s roots in the 4-3 under? Need a SaM for that. I dunno. I think Beane has to get immediate impact contributors with pick 2 and 3. I don’t hate the idea of Duggar, and I think we need an upgrade in our safety depth, but is a division 2 guy really going to be able to contribute this year or even next? Like I said in another post, I have never seen the guy play. He looked awesome at the combine but i feel like we go in the “immediate impact” direction in rounds 2 and 3. At the end of the day, I will trust any decision McD makes when it comes to DBs. If he ultimately says he wants Dugger, I don’t see any reason to assume he won’t be good for us. I like what I’ve read and seem of him but obviously there’s very limited tape. As far as D2 prospects being immediate contributors, it obviously takes a special prospect but Dugger might be one. Ali Marpet for example went from being a D2 player to an NFL stud overnight 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Aww, Joe B. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: At the end of the day, I will trust any decision McD makes when it comes to DBs. If he ultimately says he wants Dugger, I don’t see any reason to assume he won’t be good for us. I like what I’ve read and seem of him but obviously there’s very limited tape. As far as D2 prospects being immediate contributors, it obviously takes a special prospect but Dugger might be one. Ali Marpet for example went from being a D2 player to an NFL stud overnight Great points all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Joe Buscaglia mocked the Bills draft by trying to run a draft as Brandon Beane’s thinking. Here’s who he came up with. Also he did simulate a draft using The Draft Network’s simulator: You can read all of the analysis and his rationale below: https://theathletic.com/1722463/2020/04/03/how-i-would-draft-for-the-bills-if-im-brandon-beane/?source=shared-article Round 2 - Kyle Duggar S Lenoir Ryne Round 3 - Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina Round 4 - John Simpson OL Clemson Round 5 - Lamical Perine RB Florida Round 7 - Charlie Heck OT North Carolina I don’t know how much I love the picks. He said that Duggar would allow the team to basically be a Nickel defense and could help offset the loss of Lorenzo Alexander. Instead of drafting Perine, I would rather give up one of the lower picks and trade up to take Zack Moss. I think taking a super-athletic freak DII safety who has never faced top competition with our top draft pick is highly risky. We'll see though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Kyle Duggar Perry Fewell went to that D II school Lenoir-Rhyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Joe Buscaglia mocked the Bills draft by trying to run a draft as Brandon Beane’s thinking. Here’s who he came up with. Also he did simulate a draft using The Draft Network’s simulator: You can read all of the analysis and his rationale below: https://theathletic.com/1722463/2020/04/03/how-i-would-draft-for-the-bills-if-im-brandon-beane/?source=shared-article Round 2 - Kyle Duggar S Lenoir Ryne Round 3 - Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina Round 4 - John Simpson OL Clemson Round 5 - Lamical Perine RB Florida Round 7 - Charlie Heck OT North Carolina I don’t know how much I love the picks. He said that Duggar would allow the team to basically be a Nickel defense and could help offset the loss of Lorenzo Alexander. Instead of drafting Perine, I would rather give up one of the lower picks and trade up to take Zack Moss. No thanks Joe...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Looking at this draft I am very glad that Joe B is not Brandon Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, njbuff said: There are a TON of red flags with Dugger. And exactly how many of us have seen the kid live in a college game? Short answer........... no one. Somewhat fair. It’s weird for you to say there are “a TON” of red flags with Dugger. How could you know that with certainty? Most draft analysts have him anywhere from the late 1st to late 3rd round, but rarely beyond that. Anyway, my post was more referring to being against “position X” with pick 54, in this case, a safety. Doesn’t matter if it’s Dugger, Chinn, Winfield Jr, the point was that some are locked into the thinking that “if it’s not the position I want (RB, WR, whatever), it’s a wasted pick.” I simply mean to point out that the roster is well positioned for Beane to TRULY take the best player available. They MAY see Dugger as that. I’ve not watched him play much, but I HAVE read that the Bills have done more work on him than any other NFL team, and it DOES seem like his skill set translates to the big nickel spot that we all know McDermott seems to like. For these reasons, it shouldn’t surprise anyone if he winds up a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 So many WR’s are going to rocket off the board before our 2nd rd pick and I still think WR will be BPA when we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, dubs said: agree terrible mock. But disagree that RB is a “need”. I would calL RB perhaps the least need on the team. 1) it’s a devalued position 2) have a second year back that played very well last year, and used a 3rd on him last year. 3) serviceable backs are always available in FA. 4) worst case scenario, throw more Most lists of best RB in the 2019 season have Singletary about #20. If he gets hurt, we will have a guy who didn't even dress for most games last year. In a good year for RB, we can get a top 3 or at least a top 5 guy. Are you happy with Mr. #20 as RB, when we may have a shot at going deep in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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