Virgil Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Not that there was a ever a doubt IMO. That’s a solid downgrade and I’m curious to see his performance now that he’s more “pay for play” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. They did create $5 mil in cap space though. Thought I read where they had less than $800 at one point. Yes, less than $800. Edit: wow they had $177 in cap space a few days ago, according to USA Today. Edited April 3, 2020 by Dopey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. Agreed. He has his moments but they have so many weapons that he’s an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. Agreed. We know as well as any team he’s likely never going to live up to his incredible potential. By accepting the restructure, it seems he’s finally realizing this too. I suspect the Chiefs have options after the season should he ‘break out’ for the 1st time in his career.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. If his restructure is saving the Chefs $5M, it means the incentives are not-likely-to-be earned. So he took a pay cut to stay, likely because they told him he'd have to take one or be cut and has been finding he can't get any better anywhere else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Not trying to LAMP here, but I edited my post to show KC had $177 of cap space a few days ago. $177 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Sammy the foot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Agreed. We know as well as any team he’s likely never going to live up to his incredible potential. By accepting the restructure, it seems he’s finally realizing this too. I suspect the Chiefs have options after the season should he ‘break out’ for the 1st time in his career.. I mean after 6 seasons is it potential or is it what you see is what you get? Sammy might have one more 1000 yard season in him, but I wouldn’t bet on it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: If his restructure is saving the Chefs $5M, it means the incentives are not-likely-to-be earned. So he took a pay cut to stay, likely because they told him he'd have to take one or be cut and has been finding he can't get any better anywhere else. This makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dopey said: Not trying to LAMP here, but I edited my post to show KC had $177 of cap space a few days ago. $177 Andy spent that on dinner and thus he called up Sammy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Andy spent that on dinner and thus he called up Sammy! Must have had a coupon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I mean after 6 seasons is it potential or is it what you see is what you get? Sammy might have one more 1000 yard season in him, but I wouldn’t bet on it. You nailed it. In the immortal words of Dennis Green, He is who we thought he was. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per It goes to show how critical it is to have multiple deep threats. Can’t wait to see what we look like with two reliably healthy 1000 yard deep threats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. They did create $5 mil in cap space though. Thought I read where they had less than $800 at one point. Yes, less than $800. Edit: wow they had $177 in cap space a few days ago, according to USA Today. 29 minutes ago, Doc said: If his restructure is saving the Chefs $5M, it means the incentives are not-likely-to-be earned. So he took a pay cut to stay, likely because they told him he'd have to take one or be cut and has been finding he can't get any better anywhere else. He was on year 3 of a 3 year deal - he was a definite cut candidate. 16 mil cap hit with 9mil in space created if they cut him. I think they'll draft someone this year though so they have a bit more insurance when they let him walk next year. That'd give them Hill, Hardman, Draft pick to go with Kelce. I'm sure they would like a RB as well, but i think they'll roll committee because its cheap and they'd probably be better suited building up the offensive line. Not sure what they do with Chris Jones either, between him and clark you have like 35 million tied up in Defensive Ends - while also having like no corners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: It goes to show how critical it is to have multiple deep threats. Can’t wait to see what we look like with two reliably healthy 1000 yard deep threats. And an 800 yard underneath guy. If Knox can learn to secure the catch before running... 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: He was on year 3 of a 3 year deal - he was a definite cut candidate. 16 mil cap hit with 9mil in space created if they cut him. I think they'll draft someone this year though so they have a bit more insurance when they let him walk next year. That'd give them Hill, Hardman, Draft pick to go with Kelce. I'm sure they would like a RB as well, but i think they'll roll committee because its cheap and they'd probably be better suited building up the offensive line. Not sure what they do with Chris Jones either, between him and clark you have like 35 million tied up in Defensive Ends - while also having like no corners. They'll have it tough when they have to give Mahomes $35-40M/year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: He looked pretty damn good in the biggest games for the chiefs in the playoffs. The last two years play offs he's shown up. 2018 - 176 yards (2 games) 2019 - 288 yards (3 games) 1TD. He ruined Sherman when it really, really mattered in the Super Bowl. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He looked pretty damn good in the biggest games for the chiefs in the playoffs. Chris Hogan looked good in a couple games for the Cheaters in the playoffs, namely the Philly SB. The problem is, Foles looked better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. They did create $5 mil in cap space though. Thought I read where they had less than $800 at one point. Yes, less than $800. Edit: wow they had $177 in cap space a few days ago, according to USA Today. I can never resist a good chance to bash Decoy Watkins. Do you know Cole Beasley— basically our slot guy— on a team that is 5 times less explosive than the Chiefs, had better production that Watkins? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I can never resist a good chance to bash Decoy Watkins. Do you know Cole Beasley— basically our slot guy— on a team that is 5 times less explosive than the Chiefs, had better production that Watkins? Beasley was a #2 option...Watkins was behind Hill, Kelce, and sometimes even Hardman and Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Come on Doc. Mahomes was the best player in the playoffs, but Watkins was the best reciever out there. He had a fine game, to be sure. But with the 49'ers focusing on Hill and Kelce, it gave Sammy more room. Plus he was being covered by Sherman, who is running on fumes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 The tweet is apparently wrong. Other places like nfl.com say it's 7 million base which sounds more reasonable than 9 for a jag vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. They did create $5 mil in cap space though. Thought I read where they had less than $800 at one point. Yes, less than $800. Edit: wow they had $177 in cap space a few days ago, according to USA Today. Wait until they have to pay Patrick Mahomes. I really love the way we are being smart with the money. I think Buffalo is going to get more and more dominant every year as other teams start to get in cap jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I mean Watkins has taken home $32,000,000 the last couple of years and will get another $9,000,000 this year at least. It's not a bad haul and he got a ring. Can't be mad at that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Dopey said: $ 9 mil base sounds like a lot of $ for someone who over the past 2 seasons, averaged 46 rec for less than 600 yds per season. Oh, and 3 td each of the last 2 seasons. They did create $5 mil in cap space though. Thought I read where they had less than $800 at one point. Yes, less than $800. Edit: wow they had $177 in cap space a few days ago, according to USA Today. While leading the super bowl champions in receiving in the playoffs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Come on Doc. Mahomes was the best player in the playoffs, but Watkins was the best reciever out there. Maybe they should stop messing around and just bag him till the playoffs. Seems to be when he comes to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: You nailed it. In the immortal words of Dennis Green, He is who we thought he was. actually Thinking Diggs is who we thought Sammy was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hill/Hardman/Watkins or Diggs/Brown/Beez ??!? I think you can't go wrong with either group and even though they have the speed advantage , Diggs and Brown have elite speed .. They don't have that true #1 though like Diggs. Watkins isn't close to Diggs level,imo and I like that Beasley adds that elite underneath game KC doesn't have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Agreed. We know as well as any team he’s likely never going to live up to his incredible potential. By accepting the restructure, it seems he’s finally realizing this too. I suspect the Chiefs have options after the season should he ‘break out’ for the 1st time in his career.. It's such a shame, he could be posting 90+ receptions, 1400+ yards and 8-10 TDs a season if he just would get his head on straight...such a waste of incredible talent. Edited April 3, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: He had a fine game, to be sure. But with the 49'ers focusing on Hill and Kelce, it gave Sammy more room. Plus he was being covered by Sherman, who is running on fumes now. Fumes? Sherman ranked 8th among NFL CBs in passer rating allowed in 2019. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 53 minutes ago, NewEra said: While leading the super bowl champions in receiving in the playoffs. Big Game Sammy! You know if he put up those regular season numbers with us, he would be our pitchfork guy. You might even be leading the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JustWinPlease said: Beasley was a #2 option...Watkins was behind Hill, Kelce, and sometimes even Hardman and Robinson. I guess that’s the point. He’s always behind 6 other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Hill/Hardman/Watkins or Diggs/Brown/Beez ??!? I think you can't go wrong with either group and even though they have the speed advantage , Diggs and Brown have elite speed .. They don't have that true #1 though like Diggs. Watkins isn't close to Diggs level,imo and I like that Beasley adds that elite underneath game KC doesn't have. KC’s group. Period. Hill has been elite the last 3 seasons, and Watkins is the only one of the 3 of them that isn’t quite as fast as Brown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Dopey said: Big Game Sammy! You know if he put up those regular season numbers with us, he would be our pitchfork guy. You might even be leading the charge. w/e rational you need. He was a big part of them winning the super bowl. Might not have happened without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, TroutDog said: Agreed. He has his moments but they have so many weapons that he’s an afterthought. That afterthought was their leading receiver in the playoffs. Matter of fact in 5 playoffs games with the Chiefs, he has 454 yards or 90.8 yards/ game. I would be furious with that type of production. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: w/e rational you need. He was a big part of them winning the super bowl. Might not have happened without him Yes, whatever rational I need to say I think $9 mil base seems like a lot for what he provided the past 2 regular seasons. That was my point. Let's not try to make this into more than what it is. I gave my opinion and yes, gave my rational. Don't like it, cool. I'm not going to drag this into argument territory. Stay safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Hill/Hardman/Watkins or Diggs/Brown/Beez ??!? I think you can't go wrong with either group and even though they have the speed advantage , Diggs and Brown have elite speed .. They don't have that true #1 though like Diggs. Watkins isn't close to Diggs level,imo and I like that Beasley adds that elite underneath game KC doesn't have. I mean qb play is a Huge factor in this. 1 hour ago, ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!! said: Wait until they have to pay Patrick Mahomes. I really love the way we are being smart with the money. I think Buffalo is going to get more and more dominant every year as other teams start to get in cap jail. Yeah, I bet they are definitely regretting winning that Super Bowl. Would have been way better off saving their money so they might have a chance to win it 5 years from now. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: KC’s group. Period. Hill has been elite the last 3 seasons, and Watkins is the only one of the 3 of them that isn’t quite as fast as Brown. Ya I can't argue that at all. I think you can make an argument for either trio and we have yet to see Diggs in this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Interesting hearing chiefs fans on this— not a lot of support for this re-signing, other than avoiding a dead cap hit by cutting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: actually Thinking Diggs is who we thought Sammy was. Fun fact: Diggs averages 66 yards/ game. Sammy when a Bill averaged 66.5 yards/ game. sammy, when healthy which is obviously a problem for him, is about as talented as any receiver in the nfl. 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Interesting hearing chiefs fans on this— not a lot of support for this re-signing, other than avoiding a dead cap hit by cutting him. Bills fans laughed at NE signing Gilmore. Fans aren’t always smart. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Interesting hearing chiefs fans on this— not a lot of support for this re-signing, other than avoiding a dead cap hit by cutting him. They feel they can have a much cheaper option with similar production. With teams gameplanning for Hill/Hardman and Sammy disappeared for multiple games at a time , but he has done that his whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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