Codyny13 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I like the move. He’s been brought in to be competition for Levi Wallace. He won’t be handed anything. He comes in with a ton of experience and was a top player in this system, and without a Kings ransom. At worst, he’s good depth, and a contributor in nickel and dime. Get a jump on free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: SO im never allowed to say wow that is a bad contract ever because its not my money? That involves any team from any sport, correct? If the Bills go out and sign Clowney to a 5 year 115 mil deal this year, im not allowed to comment on it because it is not my money? Not what I was saying, your opinion of the signing is fine, no worse than any thing I would say, what I’m getting at is lots of players and coaches go thru bad patches, so you can’t discount them completely, except if it’s Kelvin Benjamin of course ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: Not what I was saying, your opinion of the signing is fine, no worse than any thing I would say, what I’m getting at is lots of players and coaches go thru bad patches, so you can’t discount them completely, except if it’s Kelvin Benjamin of course ? The only 3 signings/trade i have not liked from the start. KB Star Norman {Shrugs} lets hope Norman comes in and i have to wipe the egg off of my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. Agreed but doesn’t mean you stop swinging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: because Norman has been bad for the better part of 3 years. It's not the same situation. Even if we go out and sign AJ Green it's also not the same situation. System and surrounding players impact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 It's been funny to see so many people in this thread pretend like they actually watched Redskins football last year and had their eyes on Josh Norman. People have no idea. They're just parroting what they've heard on TV. I'm in the "McDermott knows 6000% more about DB play than I do, and I trust his judgement" camp. As others have said, even if Norman stinks, so what? It's a 1 year deal. There's literally zero risk involved. My money's on him having a bounceback year and bringing some swag to the Bills secondary. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: The only 3 signings/trade i have not liked from the start. KB Star Norman {Shrugs} lets hope Norman comes in and i have to wipe the egg off of my face. Well at least Star try’s and hasn’t been KB bad, I guess, but few are on that level of bad... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The only 3 signings/trade i have not liked from the start. KB Star Norman {Shrugs} lets hope Norman comes in and i have to wipe the egg off of my face. Only? Then you've been wrong a lot as well. There is zero risk here unlike the other 2 signings mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. Except Ron had him on the last year of a $75M deal...he obviously wasn't playing up to THAT contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. So, now we're comparing Star's performance to Benjamin's. At the least I don't have to wait another 13 hours to see the worst post of the day. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It's not the same situation. Even if we go out and sign AJ Green it's also not the same situation. System and surrounding players impact. Completely understand, but There is a difference in just not fitting in Washington but he still showed up to what actually happened with josh Norman. He was statistically one of the worst CBs in the league and had his attitude and effort questioned. I understand it was a bad situation, but the player didn't help his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. The Star deal has worked out perfectly. Kelvin, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Fairly low risk and high reward type deal. He is old for the position but started in the league at age 25 so he is only an 8 year vet which isn't too bad. Hopefully the deal is structured that he could be cut at a minimal cap hit if he acts up or is ineffective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: My Prediction is he excels in his role is this zone scheme. He's still elite athletically and McDermott won't deal with any clown garbage from him. While I don't hate the signing, I would not want him to line up as CB2. I do believe he's a liability on the back end and is clearly on the backside of his career. I also hope it doesn't preclude us from bringing KJ back for additional depth. As for being athletically elite, @ 32 I think that's a pretty big up-sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Completely understand, but There is a difference in just not fitting in Washington but he still showed up to what actually happened with josh Norman. He was statistically one of the worst CBs in the league and had his attitude and effort questioned. I understand it was a bad situation, but the player didn't help his case. He was definitely bad in Washington. He's not coming here to save our pass defense like he was signed to do in Washington. He'll have to fit in. Edited March 9, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: I will say this, both Star Loutulelei(sp?) and Kelvin Benjamin were brought in for the very same reasons, and they haven't/did not work out. I understand Beane getting benefit, but some of the decisions have not been the greatest, especially when it comes to ex-panthers. I'd argue it's beyond a stretch to say that Star Lotuleilei has flatly not worked out. They have had the number three defense the two years he's been here. One of the reasons given for signing him was that QBs could step up and get easy yardage with short passes to the tight end. The Bills have been one of the best, if not the best, team against tight ends since he's arrived. It's certainly not an unmitigated success, but I would say lumping him in with KB is not fair. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExWNYer said: Did any of you who like this watch him last year? He was awful. He's a flyer that they hope is better than he looked. You're looking at him being in contention for the 3rd-5th CB spot on a deal that has no lasting impact. The mantra has been competition and this deal seems to fit that perfectly. Edited March 9, 2020 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: He's a flyer that they hope is better than he looked. You're looking at him being the 3rd-5th CB on a deal that has no lasting impact. I generally agree but the contract money tells me he's competing for, if not the CB2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said: I generally agree but the contract money tells me he's competing for, if not the CB2. You should listen more closely. It's a 1 year deal and you pay a higher salary for that. He may be cut before he ever takes the field and the deal allows the Bills to do that without much in the way of complications. Edited March 9, 2020 by jeremy2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The only 3 signings/trade i have not liked from the start. KB Star Norman {Shrugs} lets hope Norman comes in and i have to wipe the egg off of my face. you liked Tolbert and Boldin? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 All this banter back and forth for a guy who may not even make the team. Moreover, I'll bet my bottom dollar that if Norman makes the team its because McDermott was able to revitalize at least some form of ability. However, with how absolutely awful Norman was in Wash, all the excuses in the world wont get that juice/step back... so let's not act like this is a good or bad move until we actually get to the season. This signing will in no way preclude the Bills from addressing the position further, as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Nobody said ‘Amp Lee’ quite like Pat did. or how about - "60 minutes followed by ........Murder....................................................................................................................she wrote". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This is great! Improve this pass rush and this will be, legit, the best defense in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See this would make sense if his former HC in Ron Rivera wasn't the HC in Washington now. Who knows if Rivera will still run the same defense that they ran in Carolina? Maybe Norman just wanted out, eh? Maybe Snyder just couldn't stand him? We just don't know, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: All this banter back and forth for a guy who may not even make the team. Moreover, I'll bet my bottom dollar that if Norman makes the team its because McDermott was able to revitalize at least some form of ability. However, with how absolutely awful Norman was in Wash, all the excuses in the world wont get that juice/step back... so let's not act like this is a good or bad move until we actually get to the season. This signing will in no way preclude the Bills from addressing the position further, as they see fit. His game isn't predicated on athleticism...it's about reading the QB and being in the right spots. Josh Norman can still be very good, and Buffalo is the perfect place for that to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, ExWNYer said: Did any of you who like this watch him last year? He was awful. He didn't play with this defense in this scheme. Fret not. He fits what the Bills do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: you liked Tolbert and Boldin? Anquan yes, at the time. Thought he would be a great veteran leader for the room. Tolbert, indifferent. it was less than a mil. Edit - mixing up my years, though bolden was signed in 2018. ignore this Edited March 9, 2020 by CountDorkula 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 yay! I like this signing. Norman had his best years under McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: He didn't play with this defense in this scheme. Fret not. He fits what the Bills do. Could it be that Josh Norman, who was never the fastest nor most agile, at 33 just cant keep up anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Anquan yes, at the time. Thought he would be a great veteran leader for the room and could be a good outlet for Allen. Tolbert, indifferent. it was less than a mil. well, Allen wasn’t on the team at that time. It was Tah-Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Jamie Nails said: well, Allen wasn’t on the team at that time. It was Tah-Rod I legit thought it was a 2018 signing, Am i missing years. I quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: You should listen more closely. It's a 1 year deal and you pay a higher salary for that. He may be cut before he ever takes the field and the deal allows the Bills to do that without much in the way of complications. Are details out? How much is guaranteed? He has been absolutely terrible the last couple years. I know about the different systems and all, but hoping he makes a big comeback at 32 requires some wishful thinking. I hope the guarantee is small in case they find out he's toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: His game isn't predicated on athleticism...it's about reading the QB and being in the right spots. Josh Norman can still be very good, and Buffalo is the perfect place for that to happen. In no way, shape, or form is athletic ability ever not important for skill positions. Yes, in a zone scheme isnt not as relied upon, but you absolutely still need athletic ability. This is why Levi Wallace struggles, hes limited athletically, this is something Joe Marino has touched on a handful of times. Dismissing it is painting a rose colored glasses narrative that just isnt true. Would I like to see Norman succeed, surely, but with teams absolutely shying away from throwing Tre's way, you need a good CB2. Can Norman be that, maybe... doubtful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: In no way, shape, or form is athletic ability ever not important for skill positions. Yes, in a zone scheme isnt not as relied upon, but you absolutely still need athletic ability. This is why Levi Wallace struggles, hes limited athletically, this is something Joe Marino has touched on a handful of times. Dismissing it is painting a rose colored glasses narrative that just isnt true. Would I like to see Norman succeed, surely, but with teams absolutely shying away from throwing Tre's way, you need a good CB2. Can Norman be that, maybe... doubtful I would be surprised if they don’t draft a potential CB2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halloween Land Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I called this signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Could it be that Josh Norman, who was never the fastest nor most agile, at 33 just cant keep up anymore? Anything is possible, but what I saw was a bad scheme fit on a not-so-good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I would be surprised if they don’t draft a potential CB2 I agree, I think there is a strong possibility they look to draft someone. There are some really good corners in this class too boot. I have really fallen for Hall out of Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: or how about - "60 minutes followed by ........Murder....................................................................................................................she wrote". Must have figured the more time he used up, the less time Madden had for ‘Maddenisms’. ? Edited March 9, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, I'm going to lean on the side of Beane and McDermott....you know, two guys that know Norman's game inside and out and how he will fit into the Bills scheme. I agree with you. I didn't see anything about how much, if any, of the money is guaranteed. The smaller that number, the less risk is involved and the better this whole signing is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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