Gore not expected back

[RiotAct]

I cringed every time he touched the ball in the 2nd half of last season

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

The Melvin Gordon talk that once was......

 

...LOL......Melvin reportedly turned down $10 mil/yr from the Chargers and is looking for $13 mil/yr.....LOUDER crickets..............

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

And a Bill, and every other team he played for.

i think he means the team he’d elect to be inducted under. Can only choose one unless they changed the rules.

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...LOL......Melvin reportedly turned down $10 mil/yr from the Chargers and is looking for $13 mil/yr.....LOUDER crickets..............

i thought he actually turned down closer to that $13m number. Guy is delusional. Great back, but not an Elliot type who can command that. Heck look at what Leveon did for the Jets after they paid him. Coach undermining him from jumpstreet. You think any team is stupid enough to pay that anymore for any back past age 25? Not a chance in cheektowaga that happens now.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

i think he means the team he’d elect to be inducted under. Can only choose one unless they changed the rules.

i thought he actually turned down closer to that $13m number. Guy is delusional. Great back, but not an Elliot type who can command that. Heck look at what Leveon did for the Jets after they paid him. Coach undermining him from jumpstreet. You think any team is stupid enough to pay that anymore for any back past age 25? Not a chance in cheektowaga that happens now.

 

Year	Team	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	REC	YDS	AVG	TD
2019	Chargers	162	612	3.8	8	42	296	7.0	1
2018	Chargers	175	885	5.1	10	50	490	9.8	4

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Year	Team	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	REC	YDS	AVG	TD
2019	Chargers	162	612	3.8	8	42	296	7.0	1
2018	Chargers	175	885	5.1	10	50	490	9.8	4

Exactly. The reception numbers are still respectable last year (although they don’t look as good with people like CMC in the league now) but no one is paying anything close to $10m (or $13m) for a malcontent that failed to rush for more than 4.0 ypc. Sorry Melvin. Sucks being a running back in today’s NFL I know but college is churning beasts out at your position every single year.

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, Billl said:

Great career.  Terrible signing.

No....he was not a terrible signing

 

He actually got us through some important parts of the season why Devin S. was down......and Devin has already given him props on showing him how to prepare as a pro for games......

 

Did he slow down over the course of the season.....yes....personally I think they should have started working Yeldon more when that started happening because of Yeldon's skillset.....

 

But....as a whole?   Gore was a success

[eball]

Stay classy, Bills fans!

[Thurman#1]

This was a story reporting on something said in another story. When you go to the original story, here's what was said:

 

"2. The Bills showed plenty of interest in running backs at the combine. In the past, McDermott has made a point about having a veteran leader in every position room. It looks like the team will lose Frank Gore in that role as he mulls retirement and will become a free agent in a few weeks. The question is whether Devin Singletary needs another veteran in the room or if he’s ready to assume that role after learning from Gore for a year."

 

There's nothing here ... nothing but a guess.

[Buffalo716]

11 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Glad I got to see a hall of famer play, but this is the right decision

You didn't see thurmanator ?

[Gugny]

8 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Are you saying that Gore was misused?  Because I saw a really bad running back that looked like he lost a step by the end of the season. 
 

Like the Steeler game where he averaged a whopping 1.5 per carry.

 

Or the Texans playoff game where averaged 2.5 yards 

 

He is a great leader, good for Singletary, but past his prime and should not have been on the field after Singletary returned.

 

I love Frank but he was really really bad toward the end of the year.  Please....no more Mike Tolbert, Pat DiMarco or Frank Gore

He was getting stuffed on every 3rd and short.  He was just not a good RB at the end of the year 

 

8 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

I have to ask how people are quantifying the value of his mentoring abilities with such assurance?

 

 As far as I could tell, the quotes from teammates sounded very much like standard pro athlete platitudes....kind words for an older vet (and one they know the team has developed a narrative for). Yeah, Singletary hung with him a lot, and they had good relationship. Cool.

 

Would you expect players to say something like  "Frank is okay, we like him, but his skills have diminished, and we just put up with it because the coaches like to have one of "their guys" in the locker room to keep them informed"?

 

 

 

 

 

C'mon...he sucked.

 

 

 

 

I, too, became frustrated when he got stopped on those 3rd and shorts.

 

But I also asked myself, "why does Daboll keep putting him out there in those situations."  Did you guys ever ask yourselves that?

 

Add in the fact that everyone with at least one operative eyeball watching Bills games knew what was coming as soon as he took the field in those situations.  It was as smart as the telegraphic empty backfield sets.

 

I'm not saying I want him to come back.  I'm not saying that his skills have diminished.  I AM saying that he was set up for failure on a lot of his attempts last year.

 

I was happy when they chose Gore over McCoy when it happened and I was still happy about it throughout the entire season.

[ProcessYaDigg]

14 hours ago, Billl said:

Great career.  Terrible signing.

How was this a terrible signing?  Yes, he faltered the back half of the season, but when that happened, Motor excelled.  His type of mentorship doesn't come around often.  He's a selfless player who would do anything at the benefit of the team.  His impact on Motor allowed him to enjoy success as a rookie.  Gore has laid the foundation for Motor to have a long successful career.  You say terrible signing, I say this was a low risk, high reward signing.

[Billl]

4 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

How was this a terrible signing?  Yes, he faltered the back half of the season, but when that happened, Motor excelled.  His type of mentorship doesn't come around often.  He's a selfless player who would do anything at the benefit of the team.  His impact on Motor allowed him to enjoy success as a rookie.  Gore has laid the foundation for Motor to have a long successful career.  You say terrible signing, I say this was a low risk, high reward signing.

When you cut a longtime player who this year averaged 4.6 yards a carry and scored 5 TDs to sign a guy who averaged 3.6 yards and scored 2 TDs, that’s a bad signing.  He may well have been the least productive back in the league to get 150+ carries.  Good dude.  Good career.  Hasn’t belonged in the league for 2 years.

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

You didn't see thurmanator ?

I did. I saw Kelly and Reed and Bruce too, this was just seeing one more ?

[MJS]

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

i think he means the team he’d elect to be inducted under. Can only choose one unless they changed the rules.

In the NFL you don't choose. You represent every team you played for.

[RyanC883]

19 hours ago, Gugny said:

But who will Daboll turn to on crucial 3rd and short plays now??? 

 

I love Frank Gore as a Bill.  I hate how Daboll misused him.  Damn shame.

 

 

likely some undersized WR.  or try cramming Singletary up the middle, meanwhile, we will have drafted a guy who is a hammer.  Daboll is nuts.  

3 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

How was this a terrible signing?  Yes, he faltered the back half of the season, but when that happened, Motor excelled.  His type of mentorship doesn't come around often.  He's a selfless player who would do anything at the benefit of the team.  His impact on Motor allowed him to enjoy success as a rookie.  Gore has laid the foundation for Motor to have a long successful career.  You say terrible signing, I say this was a low risk, high reward signing.

 

totally agree.  Was a fantastic signing.  Played well in the first half, then ceded carries to the rookie in the second half.  A perfect signing.  

[Phil The Thrill]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I, too, became frustrated when he got stopped on those 3rd and shorts.

 

But I also asked myself, "why does Daboll keep putting him out there in those situations."  Did you guys ever ask yourselves that?

 

Add in the fact that everyone with at least one operative eyeball watching Bills games knew what was coming as soon as he took the field in those situations.  It was as smart as the telegraphic empty backfield sets.

 

I'm not saying I want him to come back.  I'm not saying that his skills have diminished.  I AM saying that he was set up for failure on a lot of his attempts last year.

 

I was happy when they chose Gore over McCoy when it happened and I was still happy about it throughout the entire season.

Ok I will give you this.  While I think Gore was terrible the use of him was equally as bad.  All in all, I do feel the Bills would have benefitted from having Yeldon active and Gore on the sidelines.  He would have been a better option but I think he lost the trust of the coaching staff after his fumble in Cincy 

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Ok I will give you this.  While I think Gore was terrible the use of him was equally as bad.  All in all, I do feel the Bills would have benefitted from having Yeldon active and Gore on the sidelines.  He would have been a better option but I think he lost the trust of the coaching staff after his fumble in Cincy 

 

Gore was really good up after week 7 where he was averaging almost 5 YPC.  Seems like the Bills only gave him short yardage carries after that for the most part and since the Bills were mostly terrible at blocking those his YPC tanked.

Edited March 4, 2020 by matter2003

[Gugny]

45 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Ok I will give you this.  While I think Gore was terrible the use of him was equally as bad.  All in all, I do feel the Bills would have benefitted from having Yeldon active and Gore on the sidelines.  He would have been a better option but I think he lost the trust of the coaching staff after his fumble in Cincy 

 

I agree 100% with this.  I wanted Yeldon active for most of the 2nd half of the season.  The offense was managed very, very poorly.  Not sure if it's all Daboll, or if McDermott called the shots (as far as who was active each week).  Not only with the RB, but also TE and WR.  Kroft should have been shelved; Sweeney should have had more targets and keeping Duke benched all season, only to activate him late and make him a significant piece of the offense IN THE ***** PLAYOFFS … all laughable, Bush League, pathetic roster management and offense game planning.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Fish 'n Chips next year with Singletary and Wade.

[LabattBlue]

A completely unnecessary thread.  Nothing has ever been more obvious. 

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, Billl said:

When you cut a longtime player who this year averaged 4.6 yards a carry and scored 5 TDs to sign a guy who averaged 3.6 yards and scored 2 TDs, that’s a bad signing.  He may well have been the least productive back in the league to get 150+ carries.  Good dude.  Good career.  Hasn’t belonged in the league for 2 years.

Are you talking about the same player that wasnt even active for the Super Bowl?

[fansince88]

18 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

He was great for Singletary but he also hurt the team in the games during the times he did play.  He was abysmal.  I argued to activate Yeldon over Gore....he flat out sucked

I can fully respect your argument.  Yeldon not getting touches and even not active made me scratch my head a lot. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ProcessYaDigg]

33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Are you talking about the same player that wasnt even active for the Super Bowl?

I was wondering the same thing

[Billl]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Are you talking about the same player that wasnt even active for the Super Bowl?

I'm talking about the guy who finished 17th in the league in YPC out of the 47 players with 100+ attempts.  You're talking about the guy who finished 45th.  

 

I don't know what McCoy would have produced had he played in the Superbowl, but he would be hard pressed to do worse than the 8 attempts for 22 yards that Gore managed in the playoffs.  Gore had a 14 yard run.  Outside of that, he had 7 carries for 8 yards and one pass thrown to him that was incomplete.  9 plays for him produced 22 yards.  Shady was mostly ineffective this year (AV of 6), but Gore was essentially worthless (AV of 4).

[Nextmanup]

23 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Im sorry but Frank Gore was so bad down the stretch last season.  He was basically Mike Tolbert in 2017 toward the end of the season 

He is an excellent example of McDermott getting his value system out of order.

 

There are time when McDermott values things of lesser importance over things of much greater importance.

 

Frank's "leadership" and "mentoring" and "showing guys how to be a professional" is not as important as having a much better performing athlete on the field.  Frank shouldn't have been on the team last year.

 

Not a condemnation of Frank, just Frank at his current age.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

A completely unnecessary thread.  Nothing has ever been more obvious. 

Going on the assumption that's true.....why comment then?

[C.Biscuit97]

8 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

How was this a terrible signing?  Yes, he faltered the back half of the season, but when that happened, Motor excelled.  His type of mentorship doesn't come around often.  He's a selfless player who would do anything at the benefit of the team.  His impact on Motor allowed him to enjoy success as a rookie.  Gore has laid the foundation for Motor to have a long successful career.  You say terrible signing, I say this was a low risk, high reward signing.

I see the mentor point but when Gore is getting more work in a playoff game than DS, that’s a problem. 

48 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

He is an excellent example of McDermott getting his value system out of order.

 

There are time when McDermott values things of lesser importance over things of much greater importance.

 

Frank's "leadership" and "mentoring" and "showing guys how to be a professional" is not as important as having a much better performing athlete on the field.  Frank shouldn't have been on the team last year.

 

Not a condemnation of Frank, just Frank at his current age.

 

 

Yeah, some things they do offensively make no sense. They sign veteran rbs, which are the easiest position to find.  Yet, they go into last year with Peterman and Allen.  

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Going on the assumption that's true.....why comment then?

To make the OP aware of it?  LOL

[Oregonbillsfan]

I say we keep him if he is not too expensive.  I'd like to see him retire as a Bill.  But having said that I'm glad we passed on Shady.  What is the consensus?

[JaCrispy]

Just now, Oregonbillsfan said:

I say we keep him if he is not too expensive.  I'd like to see him retire as a Bill.  But having said that I'm glad we passed on Shady.  What is the consensus?

No thanks... he was running on fumes by the end of last season...

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I appreciate what Gore has done here, but I don’t want to keep him.  I think we can do better.

[Don Otreply]

21 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

He averaged 3.6 yards per carry on an offense that was called by a bona fide ***** moron who misused him AND Singletary.

Don’t mince words, tell us what you really think... ?

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, Billl said:

When you cut a longtime player who this year averaged 4.6 yards a carry and scored 5 TDs to sign a guy who averaged 3.6 yards and scored 2 TDs, that’s a bad signing.  He may well have been the least productive back in the league to get 150+ carries.  Good dude.  Good career.  Hasn’t belonged in the league for 2 years.

 

 

You mean the player that Andy Reid felt was so useless that he shut him down in the playoffs....and wouldn't even dress for the AFCC game and SB?  

[Billl]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You mean the player that Andy Reid felt was so useless that he shut him down in the playoffs....and wouldn't even dress for the AFCC game and SB?  

You think Gore would have suited up in the playoffs if he had been on the Chiefs?  I can’t even believe that there are people on here trying to pretend that Gore was a more effective player than McCoy this season.  McCoy averaged 4.6 yards per carry and had 5 TDs.  Gore averaged 3.6 and had 2 TDs.  Shady wasn’t even good, and he was still significantly better than Gore.  Frank was useless all year, and he was even worse in the playoffs.  If you want to defend bringing in a geriatric RB who ranked 45th out of 47 in YPC and who was tied with Dare Ogunbowale, Olamide Zaccheus, and 61 others for 182nd most TDs scored, that’s your prerogative.  I’m pretty sure you don’t believe McBeane would have brought in Gore if he had it to do over again, though.

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

He is an excellent example of McDermott getting his value system out of order.

 

There are time when McDermott values things of lesser importance over things of much greater importance.

 

Frank's "leadership" and "mentoring" and "showing guys how to be a professional" is not as important as having a much better performing athlete on the field.  Frank shouldn't have been on the team last year.

 

Not a condemnation of Frank, just Frank at his current age.

 

 

And the games where Gore actually carried us in the running game.......compared to what he was actually paid?

 

Where does that value fall?

 

Look.....Gore for the money he was paid was a good value.....my problem with what McD did was when Gore started falling off (after he actually saved our asses as the main back when Devin was first starting out) was he should have activated Yeldon and used Gore less......in the end it actually made no sense to even have Gore on the field over Yeldon.

 

That does not mean Frank Gore was not a good value for what he was paid.   He wil not be back this year and hopefully the backup RB will be a bit younger.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

….uh oh....."bring 'em in" threads forthcoming?...……..

 

LeSean McCoy not expected to return to Chiefs

Posted by Josh Alper on March 5, 2020, 11:18 AM EST

 

Running back LeSean McCoy was a healthy scratch for the Super Bowl and it doesn’t look like he’ll be playing any games with the Chiefs in the future either.

McCoy said during Super Bowl week that he plans to continue playing in 2020, but Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that he won’t be returning to the Chiefs. McCoy signed with Kansas City after being released by the Bills ahead of the regular season.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/05/lesean-mccoy-not-expected-to-return-to-chiefs/