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Melvin Gordon would need to come VERY cheap to make sense for the Bills.

Otherwise, we should just focus on grabbing a guy on Day 2 of the draft.  It's very likely that we can get someone that would be equally as productive.

 

The Bills have enough cap space to play around with, but they still need to be careful.

Thanks to the 5th Year Option, we do have some time before Tre White (likely) becomes the highest paid CB in the NFL.  

But both Dion Dawkins and Matt Milano are free agents next season, and I would have to imagine both are in our long-term plans.

 

Rough estimates have each guy making $14-15 million per year.

 

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4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Melvin Gordon would need to come VERY cheap to make sense for the Bills.

Otherwise, we should just focus on grabbing a guy on Day 2 of the draft.  It's very likely that we can get someone that would be equally as productive.

 

The Bills have enough cap space to play around with, but they still need to be careful.

Thanks to the 5th Year Option, we do have some time before Tre White (likely) becomes the highest paid CB in the NFL.  

But both Dion Dawkins and Matt Milano are free agents next season, and I would have to imagine both are in our long-term plans.

 

Rough estimates have each guy making $14-15 million per year.

 

 

You don't mean that Milano would be making that much do you?

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I have to be honest -- I don't really want to see the Bills sign Gordon or Gurley.

Once you get past the "big name" factor and the "he used to put up good fantasy numbers for me" factor, you can see the reality of each player clearly: In Gordon's case, he has averaged LESS than 4 yards per carry in four of his five professional seasons. In Gurley's case, his effectiveness has decreased in each of the past couple seasons, and there are rumors that his degenerative knee condition is quite bad indeed.

Draft a running back between rounds 2-4, bring another in via UDFA. Roll into camp (if there IS a camp) with Singletary, rookie 1, rookie 2, TJ Yeldon, and Taiwan Jones.

Just say no to spending $6million on over-hyped running backs. 

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6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I have to be honest -- I don't really want to see the Bills sign Gordon or Gurley.

Once you get past the "big name" factor and the "he used to put up good fantasy numbers for me" factor, you can see the reality of each player clearly: In Gordon's case, he has averaged LESS than 4 yards per carry in four of his five professional seasons. In Gurley's case, his effectiveness has decreased in each of the past couple seasons, and there are rumors that his degenerative knee condition is quite bad indeed.

Draft a running back between rounds 2-4, bring another in via UDFA. Roll into camp (if there IS a camp) with Singletary, rookie 1, rookie 2, TJ Yeldon, and Taiwan Jones.

Just say no to spending $6million on over-hyped running backs. 

 

I even think rounds 2 and 3 are too early. 4th or later and UDFAs. Teams find good RBs everywhere. Spending valuable resources on them is a waste.

 

Wouldnt mind Freeman on a cheaper 1yr prove-it deal either

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10 minutes ago, Logic said:

I have to be honest -- I don't really want to see the Bills sign Gordon or Gurley.

Once you get past the "big name" factor and the "he used to put up good fantasy numbers for me" factor, you can see the reality of each player clearly: In Gordon's case, he has averaged LESS than 4 yards per carry in four of his five professional seasons. In Gurley's case, his effectiveness has decreased in each of the past couple seasons, and there are rumors that his degenerative knee condition is quite bad indeed.

Draft a running back between rounds 2-4, bring another in via UDFA. Roll into camp (if there IS a camp) with Singletary, rookie 1, rookie 2, TJ Yeldon, and Taiwan Jones.

Just say no to spending $6million on over-hyped running backs. 

 

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I even think rounds 2 and 3 are too early. 4th or later and UDFAs. Teams find good RBs everywhere. Spending valuable resources on them is a waste.

 

Wouldnt mind Freeman on a cheaper 1yr prove-it deal either

 

Trust the board.  The Bills have that luxury.

 

Feels nice to have a competent Front Office.

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17 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

You don't mean that Milano would be making that much do you?

 

Rough average between the two guys.

People have been estimating $15-16 per year for Dion Dawkins, and $12-13 for Matt Milano.

 

Now contract average doesn't always equate to cap hit, and contracts can be structured in a million different ways.

But the general idea is that we will absolutely need some extra space next year.

 

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Rough average between the two guys.

People have been estimating $15-16 per year for Dion Dawkins, and $12-13 for Matt Milano.

 

Now contract average doesn't always equate to cap hit, and contracts can be structured in a million different ways.

But the general idea is that we will absolutely need some extra space next year.

 

 

Wow, I honestly I hadn't realized that LB salaries were that high but I just looked it up and  sure enough.   Learn something every day!

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1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Boy Miami is tossing is big wad of cash out the window all over the place, aren’t they? If they don’t win now they are screwing themselves! I love it. Let them sign Gurley too bad knees and all !!

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12 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Boy Miami is tossing is big wad of cash out the window all over the place, aren’t they? If they don’t win now they are screwing themselves! I love it. Let them sign Gurley too bad knees and all !!

And still no QB

 

Ever notice that teams that biuld themselves through free agency dont do well?  (cough cough Browns)

 

 

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1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:

He's rumored to be getting offers less than 5, so no worries

 

...sorry....best I can do..............

 

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49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I even think rounds 2 and 3 are too early. 4th or later and UDFAs. Teams find good RBs everywhere. Spending valuable resources on them is a waste.

 

Wouldnt mind Freeman on a cheaper 1yr prove-it deal either

 

I know that this seems to be a new thing about RBs lately, especially with the leagues passing numbers going higher and higher but last year

I looked up some numbers and I found that maybe it's not so accurate.  I just revisited it looking at the last 4 drafts.

 

For value it seems to me that Round 3 is the sweet spot.  If the Bills draft a RB I hope they can repeat Singletary's value!

 

Last 4 years of draft Rounds 4-7.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=4&draft_round_max=7&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

Last 4 years of draft Rounds 2-3.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=2&draft_round_max=3&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

Last 4 years of draft Round 1.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=1&draft_round_max=1&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

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10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And still no QB

 

Ever notice that teams that biuld themselves through free agency dont do well?  (cough cough Browns)

 

 

Well.... PFF suggested yesterday they have the best qb in the East ?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

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1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I know that this seems to be a new thing about RBs lately, especially with the leagues passing numbers going higher and higher but last year

I looked up some numbers and I found that maybe it's not so accurate.  I just revisited it looking at the last 4 drafts.

 

For value it seems to me that Round 3 is the sweet spot.  If the Bills draft a RB I hope they can repeat Singletary's value!

 

Last 4 years of draft Rounds 4-7.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=4&draft_round_max=7&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

Last 4 years of draft Rounds 2-3.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=2&draft_round_max=3&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

Last 4 years of draft Round 1.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2016&year_max=2019&draft_round_min=1&draft_round_max=1&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=rb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

 

Great research, thanks! And I would never say that my general perception is anything scientific of factual.

 

However, I do feel there are good backs out there late that simply dont get the chance to shine. Finding a young, fresh guy who is willing to run hard and feeding him enough to get him into a rhythm is pretty simple, but coaches out-think themselves. IMO.

 

I wouldnt be upset with another 3rd rd RB. And if Beane truly feels RB is BPA at #54, so be it. Especially this year where we do not have any glaring holes pressing us.

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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Great research, thanks! And I would never say that my general perception is anything scientific of factual.

 

However, I do feel there are good backs out there late that simply dont get the chance to shine. Finding a young, fresh guy who is willing to run hard and feeding him enough to get him into a rhythm is pretty simple, but coaches out-think themselves. IMO.

 

I wouldnt be upset with another 3rd rd RB. And if Beane truly feels RB is BPA at #54, so be it. Especially this year where we do not have any glaring holes pressing us.

 

Same here Dr. that's why I look things up in my old age.  I got the time LOL.

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14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Great research, thanks! And I would never say that my general perception is anything scientific of factual.

 

However, I do feel there are good backs out there late that simply dont get the chance to shine. Finding a young, fresh guy who is willing to run hard and feeding him enough to get him into a rhythm is pretty simple, but coaches out-think themselves. IMO.

 

I wouldnt be upset with another 3rd rd RB. And if Beane truly feels RB is BPA at #54, so be it. Especially this year where we do not have any glaring holes pressing us.

I still feel that we are missing size at WR.

 

We could bring Duke back.....and I actually like the player....but for some reason they just refused to play him till the end of the year.

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29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And still no QB

 

Ever notice that teams that biuld themselves through free agency dont do well?  (cough cough Browns)

 

 

 

Seems Buffalo is built through free agency about the same as Cleveland at this point. Most teams are to some extent.

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I still feel that we are missing size at WR.

 

We could bring Duke back.....and I actually like the player....but for some reason they just refused to play him till the end of the year.

I'm pretty sure he's still here.

 

2 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Seems Buffalo is built through free agency about the same as Cleveland at this point. Most teams are to some extent.

I mean even if that's true I'd say a big difference is we didn't sell our O-line.

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I still feel that we are missing size at WR.

 

We could bring Duke back.....and I actually like the player....but for some reason they just refused to play him till the end of the year.

Claypool or Pittman would be nice adds.

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