Alphadawg7 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: No offense but I don’t think you really know what the situation is there. If the Cardinals trade DJ, it will cost them $2M more this season than keeping him because of his dead cap. If they “need to sign Drake” why would they try to do it with $2M less in cap space? Cardinals also have a projected $51M in space this offseason, hardly barely enough to sign Drake. When Houston traded Osweiler it SAVED them $10M in cap space. That’s why you trade big contracts, to get cap relief. Not lose cap space. You realize there is more than just next year this move impacts right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, mannc said: Hmmm, apparently not too steep this year for Debo Samuel, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman, DK Metcalf, or Terry McLaurin. Very silly comment. Traditionally, it generally takes a season or two for a WR to blossom. Sure, there are guys who pick it up right away. Sure, you can force feed a guy and if a wr can catch- he will. Its possible you guys dont disagree per se as much as just arent on the same page. AJ Green for example, got it. But it took a couple seasons for him to learn his craft and come the beast he became. Some guys like Zay for example never get it, and some come hot out of the box. I guess it just makes which one you choose all the more important vs trading for one whos already done the growing and its added cost the question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 4:49 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah but there’s something off about him. He seems like a giant dork and I think his record is pretty bad in prime time matchups. He’s one of those guys that puts up numbers but no one fears. Maybe the Saints should have come marchin' in to dat Wild Card game with a bit more Cousins "fear factor" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: You realize there is more than just next year this move impacts right? Yeah, like losing a draft pick to TAKE on more salary this year. That’s one of those things that could have a longer impact for exactly zero competitive benefit. Edited February 22, 2020 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Traditionally, it generally takes a season or two for a WR to blossom. Sure, there are guys who pick it up right away. Sure, you can force feed a guy and if a wr can catch- he will. Its possible you guys dont disagree per se as much as just arent on the same page. AJ Green for example, got it. But it took a couple seasons for him to learn his craft and come the beast he became. Some guys like Zay for example never get it, and some come hot out of the box. I guess it just makes which one you choose all the more important vs trading for one whos already done the growing and its added cost the question! LOL. I just gave five examples of 2nd and 3rd round rookie WRs who made huge impacts just this past season. I’d say WR might have the flattest learning curve of any position besides RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: He caught two more balls, 60 more yards and 5 more TDs than Diggs this past year. Diggs caught 102 and 9 tds the year before, while Golladay caught 70 for 5tds. How has he put up better stats than Diggs the last 2 years? He’s had more total yards, more yards per reception by a lot, more touchdowns, they are about the same speed and he’s considerably taller and stronger. And he achieved this in his second and third year in the league. He clearly has been ascending, whereas Diggs has had 3 pretty good years in a row but no clear ascension. Dont get me wrong Diggs is a quality number 1 Wr and I would love to have him but if I had to choose between the two I would choose Golladay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Mickey said: Where did I say we shouldn't even look into the possibility? Thats as fair as me claiming those who want him "seem" willing to pay any price in draft picks and money. You "seem" unwilling to concede that a rational person might want to pass on Diggs. I guess I misinterpreted your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I recognize that wanting Diggs is not at all irrational, I get it though I disagree. But then again I'd prefer to give up our second to move up and take Ceedee Lamb so don't pay any attention to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Magox said: He’s had more total yards, more yards per reception by a lot, more touchdowns, they are about the same speed and he’s considerably taller and stronger. And he achieved this in his second and third year in the league. He clearly has been ascending, whereas Diggs has had 3 pretty good years in a row but no clear ascension. Dont get me wrong Diggs is a quality number 1 Wr and I would love to have him but if I had to choose between the two I would choose Golladay To me it’s about contract. Diggs is under contract at a reasonable price for 4 years. Golladay is gonna command a lot of money because of his play last year and continued growth next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said: To me it’s about contract. Diggs is under contract at a reasonable price for 4 years. Golladay is gonna command a lot of money because of his play last year and continued growth next year. For sure and that is definitely a huge consideration. I was speaking purely from a player standpoint. I think Golladay is not only the better player at this time but that he is clearly ascending and does not appear to have hit his ceiling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 8:46 AM, Buffalo03 said: Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds I’m leaning this way as well, but I also haven’t watched a lot of Diggs, so he may be better than my memory suggests. I prefer to add a wr over 6feet, so I’ll take aj or golladay plus a rd 1-3 wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) On 2/22/2020 at 11:46 AM, Buffalo03 said: Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds I probably agree but whether or not you can sign AJ for a year is very debatable. I’ve seen some projecting like 4/$70 mil for him which I would definitely not be interested in (unless it’s basically a 2 year with two team options). I’d be ecstatic to get Diggs as well though. Don’t really think Diggs gets moved at the end of the day. The guy I’m keeping an eye on is Brandin Cooks. Would likely cost less given his injury issues. Not sure if it’ll make cap sense for the Rams until we have a new CBA though. Edited February 24, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 11:46 AM, Buffalo03 said: Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds and Green doesn't get hurt too much? Diggs has missed 4 games over the last 3 seasons....I don't think he gets hurt too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I probably agree but whether or not you can sign AJ for a year is very debatable. I’ve seen some projecting like 4/$70 mil for him which I would definitely not be interested in (unless it’s basically a 2 year with two team options). I’d be ecstatic to get Diggs as well though. Don’t really think Diggs gets moved at the end of the day. The guy I’m keeping an eye on is Brandin Cooks. Would likely cost less given his injury issues. Not sure if it’ll make cap sense for the Rams until we have a new CBA though. Rams take too big of a dead cap hit if they cut or trade Cooks before 2021. Lions would be nuts not to extend Golladay and they have the cap space to do it. I agree with you on AJ Green as only a short term deal would be feasible given his age and he hasn't played football since 2018. If Beane thinks Diggs head is on straight then I'd take the chance and trade a 1st for him as he's a proven commodity. If not, we have no choice but to get a WR through the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 11:41 AM, mannc said: LOL. I just gave five examples of 2nd and 3rd round rookie WRs who made huge impacts just this past season. I’d say WR might have the flattest learning curve of any position besides RB. i'd say kicker/punter RB Corner Safety MLB/WR in that order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 11:46 AM, Buffalo03 said: Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds I'd be into AJ Green 5 years ago. But now... tough one. IMO, he will be completely ineffective and if he takes the right hit could even be a mid-season retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 1:05 PM, Mickey said: I recognize that wanting Diggs is not at all irrational, I get it though I disagree. But then again I'd prefer to give up our second to move up and take Ceedee Lamb so don't pay any attention to me. Its gonna cost more than our second in a trade package to get Lamb. He’s gonna go quite a bit higher than our 22nd pick most likely. Best Hope is that Juedy slides due to a run on QBs. Colts kick will be pivotal and then Broncos at 15. Colts could very well take a QB if they don’t land one in FA. Although I think Rivers May wind up in Indy personally. If Juedy gets to 15, I hope Bills are on phone with Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 1:05 PM, Mickey said: I recognize that wanting Diggs is not at all irrational, I get it though I disagree. But then again I'd prefer to give up our second to move up and take Ceedee Lamb so don't pay any attention to me. Dude....its gonna cost a lot more then a additonal 2nd round pick to get to Lamb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Dude....its gonna cost a lot more then a additonal 2nd round pick to get to Lamb I can dream, can't I? WR's do typically go lower than expected and DT's higher. I am hoping he runs 4.6 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, Mickey said: I can dream, can't I? WR's do typically go lower than expected and DT's higher. I am hoping he runs 4.6 40. I would love to have Lamb... I just dont know if that is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, John from Riverside said: I would love to have Lamb... I just dont know if that is possible. Jeudy would probably have to go first and then you just hope he slides to the late teens and trade with someone who doesn't want a WR. ....or we could start a rumor that Lamb is rude to hamsters and not a "team guy". Watch him fall. Any chance his high school twitter account reveals him to be a dub step fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 8:46 AM, Buffalo03 said: Diggs is kinda overrated to me. He disappears for a few games at a time and gets hurt too much. I'd rather sign AJ Green for a year without giving up a pick and still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds When’s the last time Green played a full season? Guys old and injury prone. Rather us go after Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: When’s the last time Green played a full season? Guys old and injury prone. Rather us go after Cooper Do you really think Cooper wants to play here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, John from Riverside said: Do you really think Cooper wants to play here? I’m sure he would given his market Isn’t going to be that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: I’m sure he would given his market Isn’t going to be that big. 1998 we dont know that yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I would think that WR's in this FA class have no leverage whatsoever when they know that the 2020 draft is loaded with WR's who could potentially produce right away. But as I type this, there are STILL going to be teams stupid enough to overpay for WR's in this FA class (or any other class for that matter). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd be into AJ Green 5 years ago. But now... tough one. IMO, he will be completely ineffective and if he takes the right hit could even be a mid-season retire. I disagree. I think he's ready for a 1200 yard season and I want it to be our football team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I’m sure he would given his market Isn’t going to be that big. Cooper already said he wouldn't consider us because he doesn't want to play for a cold weather team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Cooper already said he wouldn't consider us because he doesn't want to play for a cold weather team That’s too bad, but remember Kelly didn’t want to play for us cause he hated cold weather, now look where he is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 If this is truth, then it really needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 First, I'd give a 2nd for Diggs in a heartbeat. But what I really want to say is that every time I see this thread title, all I can think of is Love on the Rocks, by Neil Diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Maybe a smokescreen, maybe legit, time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Maybe a smokescreen, maybe legit, time will tell. Reads an awful lot like I want teams to up their offers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 ^nothing says definitive statement like a double negative 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Reads an awful lot like I want teams to up their offers. I still think the Vikings have flexibility to free up $$$ outside of Diggs that makes more sense. The fact they have been quite uninhibited handing out those contracts though is finally catching up with them. They have more than a couple of bad ones, but Diggs isn't one of them tbh. Just cutting Linval Joseph and Xavier Rhodes could free up something like $18,000,000 for them I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/18/2020 at 9:24 PM, BillsMafi$ said: What would you give up for him? I’d give out 2nd in a heart beat yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 6:09 AM, nucci said: and Green doesn't get hurt too much? Diggs has missed 4 games over the last 3 seasons....I don't think he gets hurt too much It seems like Diggs has been more hurt than that and missed more games but either way Diggs is also a lot more inconsistent than Green is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 ...well there you go.....MUST be true...BUT....I'll wait for LaCanfora to confirm...... Vikings are not trying to move on from WR Stefon Diggs, says GM Rick Spielman Courtney Cronin ESPN Staff Writer-2:45 PM INDIANAPOLIS -- Stefon Diggs is very much a part of the Minnesota Vikings' plans for the 2020 season. In the wake of recent trade rumors and speculation over the wide receiver's future, Vikings general manager Rick Spielman dispelled the notion that the team is attempting to move on from Diggs. "He's not only a major part of our offense and a major part of our organization winning games, but he also does a lot of things for this organization off the field," Spielman said Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28780245/vikings-not-trying-move-wr-stefon-diggs-says-gm-rick-spielman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...well there you go.....MUST be true...BUT....I'll wait for LaCanfora to confirm...... Vikings are not trying to move on from WR Stefon Diggs, says GM Rick Spielman Courtney Cronin ESPN Staff Writer-2:45 PM INDIANAPOLIS -- Stefon Diggs is very much a part of the Minnesota Vikings' plans for the 2020 season. In the wake of recent trade rumors and speculation over the wide receiver's future, Vikings general manager Rick Spielman dispelled the notion that the team is attempting to move on from Diggs. "He's not only a major part of our offense and a major part of our organization winning games, but he also does a lot of things for this organization off the field," Spielman said Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28780245/vikings-not-trying-move-wr-stefon-diggs-says-gm-rick-spielman TBH, the Vikes FO looked like damned fools having given so much to 30 yr old Kirk Cousins and finishing 8-7-1 out of the playoffs They looked a bit smarter this year at 10-6 and division round, but they were still playing on the road as a WC winner. This is their last year o' Captain Kirk, then they're gonna have to make a decision They'd be genuinely smart not to trade one of his primary weapons away and give him every opportunity to show them what he's got. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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