Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Yeah, I looked. What a heartbreaking game. It really was a total team collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: And Ford. In fact, I’ll go as far as saying that if Nsekhe didn’t re-injure his leg, he’s probably the RT on that play and we go to Baltimore. I personally think it was mostly on Knox. And the most frustrating thing is that he nailed this same exact block on the first drive to spring Allen. He even gets a shoulder on that LB and our bills are moving on. I may seriously be getting sick to my stomach right now just thinking about it. no joke here... I’ve woken up in the middle of the night to get a drink or take a leak.... randomly thought of that play, and not been able to fall back asleep. More than once.... In fact now that I’ve brought it up again I probably won’t be able to get to sleep tonight as well. and as far as rewatching? Not a chance. I deleted it from my DVR the very next morning. Edited February 8, 2020 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Did not, but it both smiles and scowls at me from my DVR menu, just daring me to view it again ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: I personally think it was mostly on Knox. And the most frustrating thing is that he nailed this same exact block on the first drive to spring Allen. I am a big Knox fan. Love the kid and his potential. But his glaring weakness, in catching and blocking execution, is consistency. I have faith in the kid that he'll tighten it up. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 Hopefully this debacle was just a bump in the road of much bigger things to come. And after re-watching it, Allen did play a heck of game. Of course, he made a few bad plays (the pitch and Roby's pick 6), but overall he was very good. A potential 8 points were left on the table with Brown's failure to skirt the sidelines and Duke not hauling in a perfect pass in the end zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Gugny said: I am a big Knox fan. Love the kid and his potential. But his glaring weakness, in catching and blocking execution, is consistency. I have faith in the kid that he'll tighten it up. I'm in the same camp. To me he is best TE prospect the Bills have ever had. He has the combination of size and speed to be every bit as good as Whiten, Kelce, and Kittle. I don't think he will be elite like Gronk or Gonzalez but he can be perennial ProBowl level player. He just needs to learn the NFL game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 hours ago, njbuff said: Hopefully this debacle was just a bump in the road of much bigger things to come. And after re-watching it, Allen did play a heck of game. Of course, he made a few bad plays (the pitch and Roby's pick 6), but overall he was very good. A potential 8 points were left on the table with Brown's failure to skirt the sidelines and Duke not hauling in a perfect pass in the end zone. He made some exorcist-level "spin your head around" throws (look at the one to Williams at ~3 min and one about 5:20 to Singletary to go with a couple um, "WTF?" moments. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 4:15 PM, Rubes said: I'm just going to leave this here for you all to ponder... This is a nightmare that I will soon like to forget. Of all the plays this is the one that if made erases all the ughhhs in that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 7:07 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Did you leave early after the pick-6 after halftime? Never left. I was with a friend who wanted to leave but I couldn't even if I wanted to (which I didn't since I learned never to leave a game after I left the famous Joe Ferguson comeback game & heard the cheers in the parking lot). When he suggested we leave I told him not only no way, but my friend who I was driving back to Albany was in another part of the stadium & I wasn't going to go down to his seats & suggest he leave early. Finally I told my friend next to me if he wanted to, I'd give him my car keys & he could sit in my car until the game ended. He declined the offer & every time the Bills scored I waved the car keys at him & asked him "do you want to leave now?" Finally after I did it a few times he called it "The key to victory". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I watched it again. Lot of frustrating plays, but overall we were evenly matched on offense, our D was much better than theirs but we got pinched on a few big gains that killed us. If we face them again we will exact revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 12 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: This is a nightmare that I will soon like to forget. Of all the plays this is the one that if made erases all the ughhhs in that game. I'm pretty sure if 538 assessed down, distance, yard line, and game situation, and took into account the instant this image was taken, they'd probably give the Bills a 99% chance of winning the game. Ugh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 8:44 AM, thebandit27 said: I watched it several times. There are about 10 different critical plays that the Bills easily could’ve made, and didn’t, that resulted in that loss. Just off the top of my head: - Smoke drags his foot on a 3rd down sideline pass and we’ve got 1st and goal at the 3 instead of a FG attempt to go up 10 - Duke drops a TD pass that hit both hands, so instead of 17-0 it’s 13-0 - Ford whiffs badly on Watt and gets Allen sacked before he can hit the inside target (think it was Beasley—EDIT: it was Knox coming open at the 5 for a 1st down, not a TD), so it’s 16-0 instead of (possibly) 20-0 - Josh fumbles away the ball giving Houston their best field position of the day - Siran Neal drops an easy pick-6 that probably ices the game - Ford/Morse/Knox miss the easy block on Cunningham that probably leads Josh inside the 30 (at least) for a GW FG - Ford takes a PF penalty negating a chance for a GW 54-yard FG - Brutal execution on the 3rd and 18 in OT - Two defenders can’t tackle Watson on 2nd and 6, which leads to Taiwan Jones’ GW RAC All big missed plays but the big 3 for me were: 1. The 3 stooges missing the block 2. The double whiff on the Watson sack 3. Siran Wrap's dropped pick 6 ....and dishonorable mention goes to the conservative coaching after 16-0. If they continue to apply this strategy we might make the playoffs but we'll never go deep..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: All big missed plays but the big 3 for me were: 1. The 3 stooges missing the block 2. The double whiff on the Watson sack 3. Siran Wrap's dropped pick 6 ....and dishonorable mention goes to the conservative coaching after 16-0. If they continue to apply this strategy we might make the playoffs but we'll never go deep..... McDermott is all about getting his team to play as near perfect football as possible. He's on track. I do t think he expected the 2019 be there yet, and the lost opportunities in that game were the evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Really admire what McDermott's done overall here with the Bills in three years. But I think the one thing maybe should have been done differently was play a full week 17 game against the Jets with the starters. It's like they weren't conditioned to play the second half in the Texans game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Never left. I was with a friend who wanted to leave but I couldn't even if I wanted to (which I didn't since I learned never to leave a game after I left the famous Joe Ferguson comeback game & heard the cheers in the parking lot). When he suggested we leave I told him not only no way, but my friend who I was driving back to Albany was in another part of the stadium & I wasn't going to go down to his seats & suggest he leave early. Finally I told my friend next to me if he wanted to, I'd give him my car keys & he could sit in my car until the game ended. He declined the offer & every time the Bills scored I waved the car keys at him & asked him "do you want to leave now?" Finally after I did it a few times he called it "The key to victory". Big thumbs up—what a great story! One of the best days as a Bills fan ever, for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: McDermott is all about getting his team to play as near perfect football as possible. He's on track. I do t think he expected the 2019 be there yet, and the lost opportunities in that game were the evidence. 13 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Really admire what McDermott's done overall here with the Bills in three years. But I think the one thing maybe should have been done differently was play a full week 17 game against the Jets with the starters. It's like they weren't conditioned to play the second half in the Texans game There's no denying McDermott is the best coach we've had since Levy. And I am very grateful that he and Brandon are running this team. But there are a few small cracks in his armor that concern me. The biggest one that he's exhibited throughout his time in Buffalo is his propensity to conservatively "sit on leads". I know he's a defensive guy but he will have to be willing to continue attacking offensively with leads, if he wants to take the Bills to the next level. He choose Daboll, so any offensive issues will have to be closely monitored by him. As HC it's all on you! Edited February 9, 2020 by LABILLBACKER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 2:40 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: On the play you're referring to if you watch again you may come to the conclusion that, while admitting the Bills botched the blocking assignments, the Texans defender launched into Allen with helmet to helmet contact. In most cases that's a personal foul but I guess the refs were holding onto their flags to throw for that blindside block. Although on Watson's 2 pt conversation an offensive player peeled back and hit Edmunds in the same way. Watch that one too. Called on us, not called on them. I thoughts the Bills lost the game and it was their's to win. Fyi. However, my biggest take away on that play. was the blatant hit to the head. I was surprised there was no flag for that. More importantly to the end result of the game wasn't the "no" flag, IMO. I think Allen was concussed and making bad decisions due to the hit which didn't help us at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: There's no denying McDermott is the best coach we've had since Levy. And I am very grateful that he and Brandon are running this team. But there are a few small cracks in his armor that concern me. The biggest one that he's exhibited throughout his time in Buffalo is his propensity to conservatively "sit on leads". I know he's a defensive guy but he will have to be willing to continue attacking offensively with leads, if he wants to take the Bills to the next level. He choose Daboll, so any offensive issues will have to be closely monitored by him. As HC it's all on you! Wade is still the best since Marv, with McDermott getting up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I got hit by a train and lost my arm that night afterwords. I think I'd rather do that again than rewatch the end of this game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, row_33 said: Wade is still the best since Marv, with McDermott getting up there Bum would've had the stones to stand up to Ralph, but Wade didn't. I'll stick Wade in 3rd and leave him there. Sean and Brandon have an opportunity to do what Marv & Bill did. It will be exciting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:26 AM, njbuff said: Unfortunately I did. It almost made me just as sick to watch it a second time as opposed to watching it live. Three players missing a block on the Josh Allen sweep in OT was the game-killer for me. I took a second look. We still lost. On to next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Bum would've had the stones to stand up to Ralph, but Wade didn't. I'll stick Wade in 3rd and leave him there. Sean and Brandon have an opportunity to do what Marv & Bill did. It will be exciting to watch. plausible but wade was a good coach in between Marv and the current staffing he is well above those 8 or whatever bozos in that sad set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, row_33 said: plausible but wade was a good coach in between Marv and the current staffing he is well above those 8 or whatever bozos in that sad set Agreed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vod Kanockers Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:44 AM, thebandit27 said: I watched it several times. There are about 10 different critical plays that the Bills easily could’ve made, and didn’t, that resulted in that loss. Just off the top of my head: - Smoke drags his foot on a 3rd down sideline pass and we’ve got 1st and goal at the 3 instead of a FG attempt to go up 10 - Duke drops a TD pass that hit both hands, so instead of 17-0 it’s 13-0 - Ford whiffs badly on Watt and gets Allen sacked before he can hit the inside target (think it was Beasley—EDIT: it was Knox coming open at the 5 for a 1st down, not a TD), so it’s 16-0 instead of (possibly) 20-0 - Josh fumbles away the ball giving Houston their best field position of the day - Siran Neal drops an easy pick-6 that probably ices the game - Ford/Morse/Knox miss the easy block on Cunningham that probably leads Josh inside the 30 (at least) for a GW FG - Ford takes a PF penalty negating a chance for a GW 54-yard FG - Brutal execution on the 3rd and 18 in OT - Two defenders can’t tackle Watson on 2nd and 6, which leads to Taiwan Jones’ GW RAC :30 left before halftime. Ball on Houston 23 yard line. 1st down- Gore 1 yard gain. 2nd down- Spike 3rd down- Pass incomplete to #82 In the end zone. It was at this moment, that I knew that the coaches would cost the team the game. (For the record, I like the coaches that we have. However, McD needs to quit being a good sport, and develop a killer instinct. As well as BD needs to stop making things about his playbook, and start calling what is/has been working all game.) Hopefully their egos allow them to learn from this going into next year, and take those next steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:26 AM, njbuff said: Unfortunately I did. It almost made me just as sick to watch it a second time as opposed to watching it live. Three players missing a block on the Josh Allen sweep in OT was the game-killer for me. Can't. Verizon will not let you record unless you rent recorder from them and recordings are useless without their DVR and service so once you leave. They think it is way to keep customers but it is opposite. At contract renewal we are dropping land line (their land line sucks) and tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Vod Kanockers said: :30 left before halftime. Ball on Houston 23 yard line. 1st down- Gore 1 yard gain. 2nd down- Spike 3rd down- Pass incomplete to #82 In the end zone. It was at this moment, that I knew that the coaches would cost the team the game. (For the record, I like the coaches that we have. However, McD needs to quit being a good sport, and develop a killer instinct. As well as BD needs to stop making things about his playbook, and start calling what is/has been working all game.) Hopefully their egos allow them to learn from this going into next year, and take those next steps. The Gore run was a pass play that Allen audibled out of because he didn't like the look. Don't blame the coaches for that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 1:06 PM, Seasons1992 said: Two games I will never re-watch. SB XXV, and this game. I watched them live, and I don't wish to watch them again. Any other games, yes. You forgot the Music City Miracle. That to me as painful as Super Bowl XXV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:43 AM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: There was a time where I would play SB XXVII and XXVIII on the old VHS over just to try to clinically pinpoint exactly where and how things went off the rails, and I admit I probably was no fun to be around simultaneously. So this will be a no-go for me, although I’m more than happy to start a thread about our playoff wins and dissect all the ways we routinely smoked say, Danny Marino... Sorry, but this is fun in a perverse sort of way: SB28 went off the rails when Thurman got dehydrated, right? SB27 got bad just before Jimbo went down, not sure what to blame in that one. SB26 would have been a different game if that PI against Andre gets called at the end of the 2nd quarter. And SB25 - well, we should have run it more. And maybe tackled a little better on 3rd and forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: The Gore run was a pass play that Allen audibled out of because he didn't like the look. Don't blame the coaches for that one. It's a rare NFL QB these days who is out there winging it because he "didn't like the look". Maybe Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady have that authority. Pretty safe bet at this point in a playoff game, Allen does not. A QB usually has a specific, coached checklist of defensive looks that are specified for him: "audible out of this pass play if you see this" A QB also doesn't just audible from one play into some random play. He has a specific run play specified to call in those circumstances. So, who called the pass play that had the specific checklist of defensive looks Allen saw, and specified that run play as the response to them? I'll hang up and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: told you we shoulda taken Mahomes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 My biggest takeaway was we should have won... many many many times. 2nd biggest takeaway is let's run the dang ball or attempt it like we did in the 1st series. I think we have most of the guys we need to run the ball and I really think Singletary might be our best RB in a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: My biggest takeaway was we should have won... many many many times. 2nd biggest takeaway is let's run the dang ball or attempt it like we did in the 1st series. I think we have most of the guys we need to run the ball and I really think Singletary might be our best RB in a long time. that gimmick-led 1st series is not going to be duplicated against a good opponent the rest of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a rare NFL QB these days who is out there winging it because he "didn't like the look". Maybe Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady have that authority. Pretty safe bet at this point in a playoff game, Allen does not. A QB usually has a specific, coached checklist of defensive looks that are specified for him: "audible out of this pass play if you see this" A QB also doesn't just audible from one play into some random play. He has a specific run play specified to call in those circumstances. So, who called the pass play that had the specific checklist of defensive looks Allen saw, and specified that run play as the response to them? I'll hang up and wait. All I'm saying is that the first option was supposed to be a pass play from what I read. The second play was a run play. Maybe it should have been a different pass play; I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: that gimmick-led 1st series is not going to be duplicated against a good opponent the rest of the game Exclude the Brown throw, why not try some of those runs again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: All I'm saying is that the first option was supposed to be a pass play from what I read. The second play was a run play. Maybe it should have been a different pass play; I don't know. No, that's not all you're saying. You said "The Gore run was a pass play that Allen audibled out of because he didn't like the look. Don't blame the coaches for that one." The pretty clear implication was that the coaches are not responsible for the Gore play call. My point is that the coaches define all sorts of things for their QBs, including what defensive reads should lead to an audible, and what the audible play call should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a rare NFL QB these days who is out there winging it because he "didn't like the look". Maybe Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady have that authority. Pretty safe bet at this point in a playoff game, Allen does not. A QB usually has a specific, coached checklist of defensive looks that are specified for him: "audible out of this pass play if you see this" A QB also doesn't just audible from one play into some random play. He has a specific run play specified to call in those circumstances. So, who called the pass play that had the specific checklist of defensive looks Allen saw, and specified that run play as the response to them? I'll hang up and wait. Likely in that situation he is given a package and the kill just moves on to the next play. It's not as if he's just calling his shot out there. And when you look at the personnel grouping you can see Morse ID the mike and Allen scan to count DBs, sees that Texans were in nickel so it's a logical check that is likely built into the progression presnap. As far as the play itself goes, to me it looks like if Smith and Williams don't get their blocks confused Gore has a chance of breaking one. Still don't like the playcall but the reason it was run has more to do with Daboll than Allen imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 10:44 AM, thebandit27 said: I watched it several times. There are about 10 different critical plays that the Bills easily could’ve made, and didn’t, that resulted in that loss. Just off the top of my head: - Smoke drags his foot on a 3rd down sideline pass and we’ve got 1st and goal at the 3 instead of a FG attempt to go up 10 - Duke drops a TD pass that hit both hands, so instead of 17-0 it’s 13-0 - Ford whiffs badly on Watt and gets Allen sacked before he can hit the inside target (think it was Beasley—EDIT: it was Knox coming open at the 5 for a 1st down, not a TD), so it’s 16-0 instead of (possibly) 20-0 - Josh fumbles away the ball giving Houston their best field position of the day - Siran Neal drops an easy pick-6 that probably ices the game - Ford/Morse/Knox miss the easy block on Cunningham that probably leads Josh inside the 30 (at least) for a GW FG - Ford takes a PF penalty negating a chance for a GW 54-yard FG - Brutal execution on the 3rd and 18 in OT - Two defenders can’t tackle Watson on 2nd and 6, which leads to Taiwan Jones’ GW RAC And those are just our mistakes, don’t look at all the bad calls the officials made in that game. This is definitely a game we should’ve won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 What is the point of rewatching a devastating playoff loss? It's done, it's over with, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, that's not all you're saying. You said "The Gore run was a pass play that Allen audibled out of because he didn't like the look. Don't blame the coaches for that one." The pretty clear implication was that the coaches are not responsible for the Gore play call. My point is that the coaches define all sorts of things for their QBs, including what defensive reads should lead to an audible, and what the audible play call should be. Um ... they had a pass play in and he shifted to a second option. The first option was the main play. I mean, I suppose you're technically right, but it's just as likely that Allen misread the play (we'll never know) and/or had a brainlock regarding the time left. The time management was ALL on him, and he had a number of brainlocks that day. The right thing to do was not to shift to GoreFail plunge. Throw it away if necessary and give yourself two more plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Um ... they had a pass play in and he shifted to a second option. The first option was the main play. I mean, I suppose you're technically right, but it's just as likely that Allen misread the play (we'll never know) and/or had a brainlock regarding the time left. The time management was ALL on him, and he had a number of brainlocks that day. The right thing to do was not to shift to GoreFail plunge. Throw it away if necessary and give yourself two more plays. I'm not arguing about the "right thing to do", I'm pointing out that I'm not "technically right", that's the way modern playcalling works. See also GoBills808 explanation, right on the money as far as I can tell. Daboll was NOT good at time management/playcalling in tight game situations last season. In post-game or Monday pressers when McDermott references an "Operational issue" that's what he means. One reason Daboll moved to the booth was an attempt to address this, and it's still not solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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