NoSaint Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Augie said: This is why film is important, but not everything. You need to know the man as well as the player. Sammy is supremely talented, but he seems to lack “it”. it’s interesting as looking at OBJ, Sammy probably showed much more professionally. Even if good reputation Brandon cooks has been a handful since coming into the league. Probably about as talented a class as there could be but is mike Evans the good guy of the group? In the spectrum of personalities Sammy wasn’t half bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Not to drag up dark days as a Bills fan but acquiring Watkins was the dumbest F'n move by the Bills in the last 20 years and maybe more. They gave up a lot plus they weren't one player away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Not to drag up dark days as a Bills fan but acquiring Watkins was the dumbest F'n move by the Bills in the last 20 years and maybe more. They gave up a lot plus they weren't one player away. It’s certainly on the list as we view the last two decades today. Fortunately, I’ve become pretty good at looking forward rather than in the rear view mirror. I find it’s an important life skill for me. There’s work to do, but I like our direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Thankfully scars on a decoy are invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Not to drag up dark days as a Bills fan but acquiring Watkins was the dumbest F'n move by the Bills in the last 20 years and maybe more. They gave up a lot plus they weren't one player away. I liked the trade at the time for excitement purposes but then grew to resent it because... it was just too much to give up for a WR. Then I hated the trade sending him away but grew to understand it. Oh well, players come and go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s certainly on the list as we view the last two decades today. Fortunately, I’ve become pretty good at looking forward rather than in the rear view mirror. I find it’s an important life skill for me. There’s work to do, but I like our direction. You're right. You gotta look forward. Three straight drafts that are looking pretty good. Need a fourth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I'd be surprised if most trades didn't leave the players scarred. It hurts to know the organization you're with doesn't need you as much as you'd thought. They don't talk about it, most of them, but of course he was scarred a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Anyone who still goes to bat for this guy is an absolute fool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Anyone who still goes to bat for this guy is an absolute fool. I don’t know exactly what “goes to bat for” means, but I think it’s reasonable to try to understand what happened and why. If nothing else, maybe we can learn from it and avoid similar situations going forward. I’m not bashing on you, or standing up for Sammy, but that whole situation from A to Z was not well played. Live and learn. I sure am glad he didn’t have to work a “little job” like real people! Imagine the horrors! . Edited January 30, 2020 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was scarred after giving up 2 # 1s This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 He totally contradicts himself. How can he be scarred by the trade when he was admitted that at that point in his life he didn’t want to be in Buffalo and was traded a week later? He was scarred by getting his wish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t know exactly what “goes to bat for” means, but I think it’s reasonable to try to understand what happened and why. If nothing else, maybe we can learn from it and avoid similar situations going forward. I’m not bashing on you, or standing up for Sammy, but that whole situation from A to Z was not well played. Live and learn. I sure am glad he didn’t have to work a “little job” like real people! Imagine the horrors! . Your last line for instance. I just get the sense the guy is an immature entitled fool who doesnt have much of a grip on reality. That said, he has done a great job getting paid like a #1 to produce like a #3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said: Don't you just love the way these former Buffalo Bills once they get to the Superbowl start running their mouth about how bad they had it I'm sure these guys were baited for these stories aka asked leading questions etc. So I'm not going to lose sleep over it, it does show how some of these players have big egos and might be why they weren't thought to be part of the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Your last line for instance. I just get the sense the guy is an immature entitled fool who doesnt have much of a grip on reality. That said, he has done a great job getting paid like a #1 to produce like a #3. True. I didn’t fact check this, but did I hear the announcer right in the AFCC game when he said that was Watkins first TD since week 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Sour Grapes. Rarely will a player ever say nice things about a team that didnt want him - Dareus, Sammy, Shady etc. The narrative coming from the players in the locker room is what I care about at this point. I'm sure they're very salty about being traded to a team in the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, TheProcess said: Ughhhh. Yet another story about a former Bill who is blessed to be gone. Good lord. I hated trading Sammy at the time, and even more so after seeing the offensive “talent” they replaced him with, but enough already. Who is asking these questions? Side note - so much for the Bills being his favorite team. I always thought that was a little phony anyway. I mean come on, the Bills must’ve been terrible when he was growing up. Where’s the appeal? The color scheme? Those unis were also awful in the early 2000s. Always just felt a little forced like saying something he felt like he had to say. I’m skeptical. He could have been an Eric Moulds fan and as result also cheered on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I mean, what do we want players who are traded away to say about their former team? "That was the best coach team and locker room ever! Broke my heart to leave!" That would be insulting to the team they're with now, not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was scarred after giving up 2 # 1s We won't ever be doing that again. Let our wr fall to us at 22. Shenault, Higgins, whoever. Since leaving Buffalo, Sammy has had opportunities to shine and his inconsistent play & injury issues continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He could have been an Eric Moulds fan and as result also cheered on the Bills. Yeah I suppose that could be a possible explanation. Moulds last productive year would’ve been 2005, which would’ve put Sammy around 12. Man how I miss a guy like Moulds. I remember watching him thinking that I better enjoy it because he won’t be around playing forever. Too bad he didn’t get to play with Jimbo his entire career. Prob be a HOF’er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Yeah I suppose that could be a possible explanation. Moulds last productive year would’ve been 2005, which would’ve put Sammy around 12. Man how I miss a guy like Moulds. I remember watching him thinking that I better enjoy it because he won’t be around playing forever. Too bad he didn’t get to play with Jimbo his entire career. Prob be a HOF’er. Yeah, we could use a Moulds type on the current roster too. 51 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We won't ever be doing that again. Let our wr fall to us at 22. Shenault, Higgins, whoever. Since leaving Buffalo, Sammy has had opportunities to shine and his inconsistent play & injury issues continue. No on Shenault he reminds me of Watkins at Clemson too much. Edited January 30, 2020 by The Jokeman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) he is a lucky guy, collected a 1st round contract and now playing for 16 mil a year to be the 3rd receiving option playing in the super bowl... Edited January 30, 2020 by artmalibu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 There are at least two other former Bills on the Chiefs' squad, Shady McCoy and Reggie Ragland. I haven't heard either of them say a single negative thing about the Bills or Buffalo. McCoy was in a tough spot and things worked out great for him. He was clearly on the way down last year. No team wanted to trade for him due to the high contract cost he had. Cutting him was probably done with his best interest in mind. The Bills didn't expect to be a contender this past year, and letting McCoy pick his new team let him go to a contender, a plan that's worked out brilliantly for him. The Bills handled that situation with class and respect, and I think McCoy appreciated it. It's turned out that McCoy's decline has continued, and this is clearly going to be his last year before he retires. He's not the kind of guy who wants to be a backup, and he's too professional to want to play when he can't play well. Ragland was traded so early in his career and so long ago, and he's turned out to be so unremarkable, that no one seems to care what he thinks about Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Remember when Leroi said Sammy actually suffered his infamous foot injury by getting it caught in a pothole at Disney? I wonder what happened to old Leroi. OBD is so buttoned up these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Are you new to reading newspapers? I cannot say i blame him, Sean believes in caveman football and both he and Beane did not believe in Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 You're sitting at your desk, working hard, and your boss comes to your and says, "Dude, we traded you to another company. We really like you but this is best for the company. You'll have to move all the way across the country and they expect you there tomorrow. Good luck." Of course you're shocked and scarred. The players get over it but naturally they're hurt. Not being hurt only be an indicator that you hated the job you were in, the neighborhood you lived in, and everything about life in that city. Of course he was hurt. What is the big deal about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Yeah, we could use a Moulds type on the current roster too. No on Shenault he reminds me of Watkins too much. Agree we need to draft the next Eric Moulds. Hopefully Beane & the boys are doing their research. I am a little leary of Shenault because of the gadget issue. I want a full fledged wr. Not some combo of McKenzie, Singletary & Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Hi, Sam. It's me ... Gugny. Go eff yourself, you lazy piece of *****. Oh ... and learn English before you eff yourself, dummy. Edited January 30, 2020 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Who’s asking all these questions? Buffalo news? It seems like a ton of boo hoo let’s slam buffalo talk lately, that certain journalists love to publish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Although I think Sammy did have his issues that were on him I could understand what he is saying IF (and this is unknown) McD had assured Sammy that he was a big part of their future and that they want him there long term (which considering his age at the time and the fact that he was a blue chip player inherited by McD is possible) and then they turn around and trade him would scar a players trust in coaches. Sammy had probably by 2017 never had an issue staying on a team or believing a coach when they said they wanted him. I would assume he was heavily recruited out of high school and was a star in college, he was then drafted by Buffalo high up and survived a coaching change from Marrone to Rex. Then suddenly a new coach trades you in pre-season (possibly after being reassured you are part of the teams plans) and you are in a position as a player you never have been in. I don't think that is an unreasonable emotion for a player to have. And I don't blame McD for pulling that type of move, for one he could have actually felt that Sammy was a part of the team's future when he got there until realizing he had attitude issues or he just wanted to preserve his trade value by not announcing he was trading Sammy. It just ended up being a bitter situation for both parties that needed to end when it did. Sammy seems to have matured a bit the past year or so and he is doing well. The Bills got a pick used to trade up for Josh and a good season out of a corner for him. What kills your premise is that the Bills didn't pick up Watkins 5th year option, a pretty good indication that he was not in their long term plans. It would be impossible for a team to not pick up the option and then turn around and tell the player he's a big part of their future and they want him there long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I’d be much more inclined to believe Sammy if there were any other corroborating reports like this. Sammy got drafted. Sammy got hurt. Sammy didn’t heal quickly. Sammy got traded. Sammy is salty. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Expect A LOT more players in coming years expressing disappointment in their treatment by McBeane. Because that's the way it works.............if you are in charge of an NFL team long enough you disappoint players by cutting them, trading them, not giving them enough playing time etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: True. I didn’t fact check this, but did I hear the announcer right in the AFCC game when he said that was Watkins first TD since week 1? That’s true. Three TD’s in week one, and none for the remainder of the regular season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 These dudes like Watkins and McCoy saying they wanted out, but now are crying and butt hurt over being sent packing? Dude you got why you wanted right? Perfect ✌? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Sour Grapes. Rarely will a player ever say nice things about a team that didnt want him - Dareus, Sammy, Shady etc. The narrative coming from the players in the locker room is what I care about at this point. I thought Shady said some surprising things about buffalo the city and fans though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Man, Buffalo’s really taking a beating lately. Pro bowl players rate Buffalo the worst place to play. Ragland and Sammy talking before their super bowl about how happy they were to be saved from us. Top free agents at the pro bowl saying we’re an undesirable destination. How is Buffalo such a hot topic at the pro bowl and before the super bowl? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: Has a horsehose up his arse for sure. One of the funniest typos I’ve seen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: I thought Shady said some surprising things about buffalo the city and fans though He loved Buffalo, once he got here. The team, the fans, everything. I think he really was focused on his personal goals though, and didn’t think he would achieve those here and he wasn’t getting any younger. It was time to move on for both parties. It’s all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Expect A LOT more players in coming years expressing disappointment in their treatment by McBeane. Because that's the way it works.............if you are in charge of an NFL team long enough you disappoint players by cutting them, trading them, not giving them enough playing time etc.. Ha. The order in which you wrote those paragraphs says a lot. It’s pretty clear you know you can’t really level criticism at what McD and Beane have done, but because they didn’t do it the way you would have you just can’t help yourself. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He loved Buffalo, once he got here. The team, the fans, everything. I think he really was focused on his personal goals though, and didn’t think he would achieve those here and he wasn’t getting any younger. It was time to move on for both parties. It’s all good. Yeah he did comment on what most of us were thinking though. Beane's comments on how he was going to be here in 2019 only to be cut. Said he didnt trust the FO I respect that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 What made me laugh were the random threads that would pop up here asking if we should try to bring Sammy back to the Bills. An idea as likely as signing Brady to mentor Josh. Tbh i dont care what Sammy has to say. We invested in him as a player & gave him every opportunity as we counted on him & it didnt work out. Now he's on one of the most explosive offenses in the league. I wish him no ill will but just like the Tyrod Taylors of Bills history, i'm burned out on all that bs & over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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