The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

And you think that’s yet another ‘proof?’ It’s proof of coordination between both sides. Let go of ego—it’s blinding. 

 

Your sense of humor needs a tune up  

[Hedge]

 

 

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The below tweet is from the "Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry."

 

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Edited March 13, 2020 by Hedge

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Has anyone considered the difficulty Joe Biden will have if he ever goes out on the campaign trail again? Sure, he'll  keep his 6' space from other people. 

This is the most plausible conspiracy theory I've read on here.  Insert Hillary Clinton at the convention after Joe goes down from an arm wrestling challenge by an infected Ohio truck driver.

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

11 hours ago, Foxx said:

not exactly sure what you are disputing in that tweet.

 

are you saying that of 100,00 Chinese nationals from Wuhan/Wenzhou, that not a one who returned after Chinese New Year brought back the coronavirus with them? if that is what you are saying, it seems rather a illogical contention.

 

That tweet says things appearing to be obvious, but let me tell me something.

 

1) First of all, chinese community in Italy in 300.000 units, the fact that one third of chinese people was away from Italy for the new year eve is way exagerrated.

 

2) Chinese community was very aware of the problem, WAY MORE THAN ITALIANS. For the sake of not spreading the covid into their own community they put themselves in quarantine. I have a close friend who is engaged to a chinese girl, I have direct information of the chinese community of my city.

And we called them crazy, we used to make fun of them, their masks and their paranoia.

 

3) In Italy there are 12463 confirmed cases of covid, with 827 deaths. Do you know how many chinese people are among them?

The answer is TWO, and they are not italian-chinese residents, they were two tourists that were confirmed in Rome before the famous italian PATIENT ONE.

No other chinese was tested positive, no other chinese was attacched to an artificial respirator.

How do you explain that?

 

4) We live in a globalized world, LOT and LOT of people traveled from Hubei to Europe (and to the US) in the days when the disease was INCUBATING. People from Italy, France, UK, Spain, Germany travelled from Hubei and back. For sure way more that 100.000. For most of the infected people the disease is just a normal flu, and people spread the disease silently until a serious case (the infamous PATIENT ONE) was found.

 

5) A lot of speculation was made in Italy about the PATIENT ZERO. How the PATIENT ONE got infected, he may have been infected in a chinese "massage" center...maybe during the "happy ending" handjob? Listen, almost all Italian thought about this, but this just crap you say to have some laughs with friends.

According to some sources, the person who brought the disease to Europe is a german guy.

 

So now, do you still think that this tweet was so "obvious" ?

Edited March 13, 2020 by PaoloBillsFanFromItaly

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

2 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

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The below tweet is from the "Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry."

 

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This could better than nothing, but it is dangerous.

Here in Italy a person who has symptoms call from home and specialists visit him in order to perform the test.

A suspected case travelling around is a good way to spread the virus.

Be careful folks.

Edited March 13, 2020 by PaoloBillsFanFromItaly

[TPS]

9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

And it’s not a conspiracy regardless. There’s no conspiratorial element to what you theorized. 

 

 

I was just giving my long time ppp pal some grief. Coming from the guy (me) who is a long-time conspiracy theorist...?

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

He seems kinder, like his time away included introspection and reflection. 

Good morning Skin-erd,

 

Tom? Kinder? Lol

 

 

[CoudyBills]

House oversight dropped the ball on the Corona tests.  Good job dems.  

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

 

Haha what a joke. Hypoexemia is the clue here. Can anyone guess what else causes this? Anything else been rolled out recently? 

Those Cadbury mini chocolate egg thingies with the shell?  I knew it.

[KRC]

13 hours ago, Turk71 said:

  David Brody is a chief political analyst for Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting network. He, like many evangelicals, is also one of President Trump’s most vocal supporters. But in a tweet this Thursday, he took the unusual step of taking Trump to task over his claims that “anybody” that needs a test for coronavirus will get a test on demand. 

  Brody tweeted video showing Trump’s comments while touring the Atlanta CDC headquarters, where he can be seen saying, “They’re there, they have the tests". “Anybody that needs a test gets a test,” Trump says in the video.

  Brody tweets:

   On Friday March 6th, @realDonaldTrump said, ‘Anybody that needs a test gets a test.’ That is 100% FALSE. Full stop,” Brody wrote. “He was wrong then and it’s wrong today too. Many American citizens want a #coronavirus test right now but can’t get access to one. This is a MAJOR FAILURE.”

   In a subsequent tweet, Brody slammed Trump’s leadership skills.

“Being a great leader has many attributes,” he wrote. “Confusing people is not among them. @realDonaldTrump provided false information about testing…multiple times! Invoking hyperbole in certain situations may be permissible but false statements about the #Coronavirus is sloppy & dangerous.”

 

  Even some Trump supporters recognize that lying and making things up is not a viable strategy when dealing with real problems. I'm not into party politics and prefer to think for myself but watching Trump and Pence is like watching a clown show. 

 

So NOW we care what evangelicals have to say?

[4merper4mer]

10 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

So NOW we care what evangelicals have to say?

The use of the words need and want in that tweet or whatever it was is classic. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

….impossible....Joe told me "they are our friends"...……..

 

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

By Barnini Chakraborty | Fox News

Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus in China is slowing down, the country's Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs aimed at the United States.

In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that's largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into "the mighty sea of coronavirus."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

I suggest we get the same team that rolled out the Obamacare website to start making the corona virus test kits. That’ll do it! 

[Chef Jim]

This bears repeating. This is EXACLY why “free” healthcare for all and open borders is the worst idea ever!!  

Edited March 13, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

[Westside]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

They probably plan on selling some of it. Greed at its finest. 

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

Also in Italy the mob assaulted the supermarkets two weeks ago.

This is very stupid because goods don't go out of order and massing people rise up in a significative way the probability of infection.

 

Now in every shop that are allowed to be open, like pharmacies and grocery shops only a few people are let to get in, the others are waiting outside, in a queue but far one from each other. Yesterday I waited 15 minutes to go to the supermarket, but there was no any shortage of anything.

[dubs]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

buy a bidet, next level thinking!

[Foxx]

4 hours ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

That tweet says things appearing to be obvious, but let me tell me something.

 

1) First of all, chinese community in Italy in 300.000 units, the fact that one third of chinese people was away from Italy for the new year eve is way exagerrated.

 

2) Chinese community was very aware of the problem, WAY MORE THAN ITALIANS. For the sake of not spreading the covid into their own community they put themselves in quarantine. I have a close friend who is engaged to a chinese girl, I have direct information of the chinese community of my city.

And we called them crazy, we used to make fun of them, their masks and their paranoia.

 

3) In Italy there are 12463 confirmed cases of covid, with 827 deaths. Do you know how many chinese people are among them?

The answer is TWO, and they are not italian-chinese residents, they were two tourists that were confirmed in Rome before the famous italian PATIENT ONE.

No other chinese was tested positive, no other chinese was attacched to an artificial respirator.

How do you explain that?

 

4) We live in a globalized world, LOT and LOT of people traveled from Hubei to Europe (and to the US) in the days when the disease was INCUBATING. People from Italy, France, UK, Spain, Germany travelled from Hubei and back. For sure way more that 100.000. For most of the infected people the disease is just a normal flu, and people spread the disease silently until a serious case (the infamous PATIENT ONE) was found.

 

5) A lot of speculation was made in Italy about the PATIENT ZERO. How the PATIENT ONE got infected, he may have been infected in a chinese "massage" center...maybe during the "happy ending" handjob? Listen, almost all Italian thought about this, but this just crap you say to have some laughs with friends.

According to some sources, the person who brought the disease to Europe is a german guy.

 

So now, do you still think that this tweet was so "obvious" ?

what i think is that you are being somewhat disingenuous. as well as perhaps being a bit of naive with regard to certain aspects.

 

you say that it is thought that one German guy brought the virus to Italy. while that could be true, discounting the possibility that a Chinese nationalist brought it from a place where it is believed to have originated and many of those Chinese nationalists are from the suspected origin is not being totally honest.

 

yes, i have no idea whether or not the tweet and hence the article is true but it is not just some willy nilly tweet, the guy in question is a 'blue check mark' and based a portion of his article on a Reuters article. as i say though, i really don't know and am just trying to look for truth.

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

buy a bidet, next level thinking!

 

I heard a Water Pik will leave one minty fresh

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

I heard a Water Pik will leave one minty fresh

 

Don't laugh, there is a water bottle attachment.

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

what i think is that you are being somewhat disingenuous. as well as perhaps being a bit of naive with regard to certain aspects.

 

you say that it is thought that one German guy brought the virus to Italy. while that could be true, discounting the possibility that a Chinese nationalist brought it from a place where it is believed to have originated and many of those Chinese nationalists are from the suspected origin is not being totally honest.

 

yes, i have no idea whether or not the tweet and hence the article is true but it is not just some willy nilly tweet, the guy in question is a 'blue check mark' and based a portion of his article on a Reuters article. as i say though, i really don't know and am just trying to look for truth.

 

Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy.

This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up.

On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed.

This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols.

These are facts.

 

 

[Tiberius]

Any word on how Trump is feeling? Any symptoms yet? 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy.

This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up.

On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed.

This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols.

These are facts.

 

 

 

The fact is, you have no idea how many Chinese may have been infected and may have brought the disease to Italy if they never sought medical treatment in Italy. If they did bring the virus with them, to say it would have been contained within the Chinese community and not spread outside of it is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

[Greybeard]

         I  check the John Hopkin's site to see the daily record of cases and saw something interesting.  Iran used to be near the top of the list.  Now they aren't even listed.  Russia had very few cases a couple of days ago.  Now they are unlisted.  I suppose there are many possible reasons for this but I wonder how Russia is making out.

 

       If this attacks the lungs, what about all the kids that vape?  Mostly youth but I think that would hurt their odds if they get it.

 

      About 4 weeks ago I read that people who get this and recover, can get this again.  The body does not retain its anti-bodies for this.  When I read this I was unsure if this was true and thought I might come across another mention of this, but it the last 4 weeks I have not.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

[Uncle Joe]

5 hours ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

That tweet says things appearing to be obvious, but let me tell me something.

 

<snip>

 

5) A lot of speculation was made in Italy about the PATIENT ZERO. How the PATIENT ONE got infected, he may have been infected in a chinese "massage" center...maybe during the "happy ending" handjob? Listen, almost all Italian thought about this, but this just crap you say to have some laughs with friends.

According to some sources, the person who brought the disease to Europe is a german guy.

 

So now, do you still think that this tweet was so "obvious" ?

So we can blame Robert Kraft?

j/k

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

The fact is, you have no idea how many Chinese may have been infected and may have brought the disease to Italy if they never sought medical treatment in Italy. If they did bring the virus with them, to say it would have been contained within the Chinese community and not spread outside of it is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

 

Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation?

 

Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed.

But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated.

And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive.

 

And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ?

Because of the textile factory in Prato ?

But the big problem occurred in another region...

 

And again, does it matter now ?

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy.

This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up.

On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed.

This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols.

These are facts.

 

 

Paolo, thank you for your feet on the ground reporting position here, it is nice to have that aspect. i wish we had more from other people around the world doing such, it can only help the community here.

 

with that said, i am going to have to disagree with you a bit further here. i also know others who live in Italy and they are saying things somewhat different that what you are seeing. for example, you say, "This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up."  are/were you aware of the anti-racism Florence campaign/program, 'hug a Chinese'? that was happening just prior to the outbreak.

 

this was posted on Feb 4th, prior to the outbreak.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs&feature=emb_logo

 

the summation below the video says:

Mayor of Florence Dario Nardella has suggested residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in the fight against the novel coronavirus. Meanwhile, a member of Associazione Unione Giovani Italo Cinesi, a Chinese society in Italy aimed at promoting friendship between people in the two countries, called for respect for novel coronavirus patients during a street demonstration. "I'm not a virus. I'm a human. Eradicate the prejudice."

 

again, with all due respect, this seems to contradict what you are saying here.

 

[Koko78]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

So, on a completely related note, I was considering investing heavily into bottled water/bottled water company stocks, then spreading a rumor that water supplies were infected with COVID-19.

 

Anyone with me on this? I'm sure we can make enough money before being sent to federal pound-us-in-the-ass prison to make the bid worthwhile.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Any word on how Trump is feeling? Any symptoms yet? 

 

Your next big hope for Trump to be removed from office. It must be awful to be so terrified of a Trump reelection...

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

2 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

So we can blame Robert Kraft?

j/k

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Your next big hope for Trump to be removed from office. It must be awful to be so terrified of a Trump reelection...

Trump reelection? 

[4merper4mer]

26 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

I heard a Water Pik will leave one minty fresh

Steer clear.  I don't trust my own aim with one of those things and I'm never even stoned.  Hold it at the wrong angle and all hell could break loose.

Edited March 13, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

26 minutes ago, dubs said:

buy a bidet, next level thinking!

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation?

 

Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed.

But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated.

And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive.

 

And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ?

Because of the textile factory in Prato ?

But the big problem occurred in another region...

 

And again, does it matter now ?

 

And I repeat, you have no idea how many of the Chinese in your country are positive for the disease. 80% who get it have mild symptoms. If they do not go to the hospital and do not get tested you will never know.

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

 ...       About 4 weeks ago I read that people who get this and recover, can get this again.  The body does not retain its anti-bodies for this.  When I read this I was unsure if this was true and thought I might come across another mention of this, but it the last 4 weeks I have not.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

 

Japan confirms first case of person re-infected with coronavirus

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Trump reelection? 

 

You can lie to us; however, don't lie to yourself. Very unhealthy... 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation?

 

Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed.

But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated.

And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive.

 

And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ?

Because of the textile factory in Prato ?

But the big problem occurred in another region...

 

And again, does it matter now ?

 

Of course it matters because you always want to investigate the root causes, so that you can be better prepared for the next one.   As I said before, it's far worse for Italy if the German tourist is patient zero.   In that instance, a man with no symptoms and no disease infects a 38-yr old who gets treated in a hospital, and then the hospital's improper hygiene proceeds to shut down an entire country?    That is not good news at all.  For your country's sake, you hope that this is not the prime case.

[Foxx]

seems many of the worlds elite are not immune, the latest.

 

Spain minister tests positive for virus

Madrid,Spain: Spain's equality minister has tested positive for coronavirus and has been quarantined with her partner, deputy prime minister and Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias, a government statement said on Thursday.

"The minister (Irene Montero) is in a good condition and second deputy prime minister Pablo Iglesias is also in quarantine due to the situation," the statement said. ...
 

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Foxx