SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/11/coronavirus-covid-19-response-hurt-by-shortage-testing-components/5013586002/ Coronavirus test component is in short supply What we need is a lot more testing, right now," Lipsitch said, but testing kits and components "are in very short supply." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 We are like a week and a half behind Italy, we might be heading towards this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/italian-doctor-an-experience-i-would-compare-to-a-world-war Quote A nurse on the frontline of Italy’s coronavirus outbreak has described the experience as “war-like”. Doctors and nurses are working around the clock as the country tries to halt the spread of a virus that has so far claimed over 1,000 Italian lives. Among the dead was a 59-year-old doctor and close friend of Roberta Re, a nurse at Piacenza hospital in Emilia-Romagna, the region with the second highest number of cases. “It’s an experience I would compare to a world war,” Re told the Guardian. “But it’s a war that isn’t fightable with traditional arms – as we don’t yet know who the enemy is and so it’s difficult to fight. The only weapon we do have to avoid things getting even worse is to stay at home and to respect the rules, to do what they did in China, as this is paying off.” Italy, which has had the worst coronavirus outbreak outside of China, tightened quarantine restrictions on Thursday after the death toll leapt. The total number of people infected since the epidemic began, including the deaths and those who have recovered, reached over 15,000 on Thursday. “I’m usually a happy person, chatting and joking with everyone … but now there are days when I have cried and been depressed,” added Re. Other medics at the centre of the outbreak have made harrowing pleas over social media, and have shared images of exhausted staff as their hospitals buckle under the pressure. Andrea Vercelli, who works in the emergency unit at Piacenza hospital, said in a Facebook video: “What we are experiencing is not a normal flu, we are getting 40 cases a day of pneumonia in the emergency room.” Daniele Macchini, a doctor at Humanitas Gavazzeni hospital in the badly-affected province of Bergamo in the Lombardy region, wrote on Facebook a few days before the entire country was quarantined: “The situation is nothing short of dramatic. The war has literally exploded and the battle is uninterrupted, day and night.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/11/coronavirus-covid-19-response-hurt-by-shortage-testing-components/5013586002/ Coronavirus test component is in short supply What we need is a lot more testing, right now," Lipsitch said, but testing kits and components "are in very short supply." This is a real time explanation as to why government controlled healthcare is a terrible idea. But is that the lesson being learned? (Not when you have TDS) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: I agree, it must be tiring for you. I don’t believe your autonomic arousal system was meant to run at full capacity 24/7... Are you a native of Wake Forest? I lived there for 4 years myself I get it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/11/coronavirus-covid-19-response-hurt-by-shortage-testing-components/5013586002/ Coronavirus test component is in short supply What we need is a lot more testing, right now," Lipsitch said, but testing kits and components "are in very short supply." But..but...but 3rd Thing said that's not the problem! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: This is a real time explanation as to why government controlled healthcare is a terrible idea. But is that the lesson being learned? (Not when you have TDS) Trump Denial Syndrome? Hardly People say I have the opposite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: This is a real time explanation as to why government controlled healthcare is a terrible idea. But is that the lesson being learned? (Not when you have TDS) Yes, because private companaies would just make enough in case, and not worry about the cost. I'm labeling you post "Stupid" Just because it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: Are you a native of Wake Forest? I lived there for 4 years myself I get it now Nope. Native of Buffalo, but thanks for playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 ***** gettin real... 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/11/coronavirus-covid-19-response-hurt-by-shortage-testing-components/5013586002/ Coronavirus test component is in short supply What we need is a lot more testing, right now," Lipsitch said, but testing kits and components "are in very short supply." Old news. We have millions of test kits now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Old news. We have millions of test kits now. says who? Donlad? Hannity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: If you don't get tested, then how does one know? https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/12/814522489/singapore-wins-praise-for-its-covid-19-strategy-the-u-s-does-not Ashish Jha, who runs the Harvard Global Health Institute, says the response to the coronavirus has varied dramatically around the world. "Some countries have been very aggressive and have actually done quite a good job," he says. "Other countries have been quite lackadaisical and, I think, have suffered immensely from it. And I think there are lessons to be learned for all of us." He uses the words "stunning," "fiasco" and "mind-blowing" to describe how bad it is. "And I don't understand it," he says incredulously. "I still don't understand why we don't have extensive testing. Vietnam! Vietnam has tested more people than America has." (He's citing data from earlier this week. The U.S. has since started testing more widely, although exact figures still aren't available at a national level.) Trump is wrong for blaming Obama. You and the media are wrong in blaming Trump. In other words, there's no political axe to grind on this no matter how much anyone wants there to be one. The initial test kits produced by the CDC failed because of a contaminated negative control. You can't run a molecular diagnostic with valid results if the negative control doesn't work. In other words, if your internal assay control is positive when it's supposed to be negative, then how can you know if any of the patient sample results are real? You can't. All the initial tests manufactured by the CDC had to be scrapped because the tests were not reliable. This was a failure in manufacturing the kits and I'm sure that heads will eventually roll at the CDC for this. When the CDC realized that they had all these useless kits out there they had public health labs clamoring to be allowed to use their homebrewed, but not validated, PCR diagnostics to test for COVID19. The CDC initially did not allow this as the regulations as they stood did not allow outside labs to use unvalidated testing kits. Then they lifted that regulation a few weeks ago and have since shipped more kits with the negative control issue fixed. The kits exist in more than enough numbers, multiple state public health labs now have the ability to perform their own tests with their homebrewed tests. Why there isn't more testing being conducted or reported at this point is not due to lack of testing kits. In short this can be blamed on a failure in the initial manufacturing, as these assays are extremely sensitive to contamination ( I have used and developed PCR diagnostic assays), then it was a failure of federal agency bureaucracy, and now it seems to be a logistics failure in the collecting, processing and forwarding samples from the appropriate patient populations to the testing labs. If you want to blame Trump, then you have to blame Obama too since being prepared logistically for these scenarios should have taken precedence after 2009. But the CDC/FDA under Obama would have been caught with their pants down too in 2009 with a novel coronavirus pandemic. Rapid diagnostics for flu have existed for decades and were in place in every doctors office in the country with time to result in 10-15 minutes in 2009. I prefer to blame neither and put it solely on the CDC/FDA error and bureaucracy. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: says who? Donlad? Hannity? Andrew Cuomo praised the cooperation of the federal government today in a press conference and specifically stated that there were plenty of test kits but requested of Pence to allow the test to be performed in state and private labs. Pence is taking it under consideration. Seems like there are some regulations presently against the private and state testing. I didn't think it was possible but you are really making yourself dumber each time you post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Do you think Operation Clean Sweep will be green lit for New Ro or Seattle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Andrew Cuomo praised the cooperation of the federal government today in a press conference and specifically stated that there were plenty of test kits but requested of Pence to allow the test to be performed in state and private labs. Pence is taking it under consideration. Seems like there are some regulations presently against the private and state testing. I didn't think it was possible but you are really making yourself dumber each time you post. that sound like It's NOT available to everyone to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 What's the deal with tweets only embedding like half the time?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: that sound like It's NOT available to everyone to me BillsFanNC above explained it better than I could. It's not available to everyone that wants one. It's available to everyone who needs one. What does it take to get that through your thick skull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: that sound like It's NOT available to everyone to me It shouldn't be available to everyone. If you come down with any of these symptoms your first response should be to go home and stay there, if your symptoms remain mild then you should remain at home and you'll never get tested. There are some small companies that are developing immunodiagnostics for Covid19 that will tell you qualitatively if you have produced an immune response to the virus. There's the potential then for people who had mild cases, recovered and were never tested by PCR who want to know if they had covid19 can get one of those tests once this all blows over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Don’t you ever tire of looking at everything Trump related as being a world ending crisis? They do not, and by 'they' I mean Democrats, leftists, progressive socialists...whatever they're calling themselves these days. Their larger problem is they watched the first black president piss away the single greatest opportunity to lift this country up to amazing heights, only to use it to elevate racism and division. Unable to pin anything on Obama's predecessor for the past three years, they get what they consider the gift of a virus. People dying. Markets jumping up and down. Media hyperventilating. People frantically buying toilet paper for some embarrassingly stupid reason. Unable to think for themselves, in the deepest part of it all, the first things that come out of their collective pieholes is, yet again, "racism, xenophobe, it's all Trump's fault." So tiresome. So embarrassing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: What's the deal with tweets only embedding like half the time?... Try hitting <Enter> after posting it here. On mobile, with an iPhone, I believe I need to do it twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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US Egg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Andrew Cuomo praised the cooperation of the federal government today in a press conference and specifically stated that there were plenty of test kits but requested of Pence to allow the test to be performed in state and private labs. Pence is taking it under consideration. Seems like there are some regulations presently against the private and state testing. I didn't think it was possible but you are really making yourself dumber each time you post. And no Andy caveat ? Likely it's coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: that sound like It's NOT available to everyone to me Keep looking for that needle. It's GOT to be there SOMEWHERE! How many will die before you find the needle! Quick! Everyone! All hands to the haystack! Slim needs something else to whine about! Seriously, dude. Take a break. Maybe self-quarantine your keyboard because it seems to do nothing but puke up stupid schitt every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Uh oh, the virus mortality rate is declining in the US. Whatever will the libs use when the rate hits that of the flu? On a serious note, has anyone here talked to any nurses or doctors about this virus? I have asked a few of each, as I see them, each of them has told me this is way overblown. I know 3 surgeons personally that are travelling abroad currently without fear of corona. Seems medical professionals would be worried if this was something to freak out about. Edited March 13, 2020 by CoudyBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Daily Beast’s Sam Stein finds it ‘remarkable’ that state/local officials and private businesses are handling COVID19 better than the federal government . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Daily Beast’s Sam Stein finds it ‘remarkable’ that state/local officials and private businesses are handling COVID19 better than the federal government . I don't understand people who think the federal government is especially good at anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Uh oh, the virus mortality rate is declining in the US. Whatever will the libs use when the rate hits that of the flu? On a serious note, has anyone here talked to any nurses or doctors about this virus? I have asked a few of each, as I see them, each of them has told me this is way overblown. I know 3 surgeons personally that are travelling abroad currently without fear of corona. Seems medical professionals would be worried if this was something to freak out about. Anyone able to think for themselves know it's way overblown. Which is why libs are doing all the panicking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: And no Andy caveat ? Likely it's coming. Do you sometimes get accused of being Captain Obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I'm just hoping that I can make as much money now as I did in 2009 when I bought that real estate at bottom-feeder prices. Panic is good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Had a previously scheduled appointment with an ENT doc today. You'd figure he'd be the most alarmed and give me hrs of warnings. Nope, not a word, and can't schedule a follow up for next week cause he's off on vacation. Anecdotal and all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you sometimes get accused of being Captain Obvious? Is he some super hero ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, I am the egg man said: Is he some super hero ? Tib's twin brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Tib's twin brother. So I'm like Tib's twin brother ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, I am the egg man said: So I'm like Tib's twin brother ? Just bustin' your eggs man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Just bustin' your eggs man. May I ask what's a 3rdning means or is ? It's not obvious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 As an aside, what do these numbers suggest, relative to the reporting? Maybe healthcare experts can opine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, I am the egg man said: May I ask what's a 3rdning means or is ? It's not obvious to me. You misspelled it, it is 3rdnlng---3rd and long for those 99% who have difficulty reading the paragraph backwards or seeing the number in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said: As an aside, what do these numbers suggest, relative to the reporting? Maybe healthcare experts can opine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said: As an aside, what do these numbers suggest, relative to the reporting? Maybe healthcare experts can opine? That grayed area where there appears to be a drop on the right side of the graphic is labeled on the website as "illnesses that began during this time may not yet be reported" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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