Daniel Jeremiah 2020 mock draft 1.0

[Jay_Fixit]

Any truth to the rumor about fat and slow @DFT ??

[Augie]

37 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said:

ugh mock draft time already!

 

HEY! Be thankful this didn’t start months ago for Bills fans! Too many years like that! 

 

I’d actually like to thank the folks here who really study this stuff and help me get “draft ready”. Some of you provide some awesome insight and I sincerely appreciate what you add. 

 

 

 

 

Then there are the other self proclaimed experts, but I know when to just look away! I kid, I’ll have my own ignorant opinions at some point. I don’t even know enough for that yet.    

[MAJBobby]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBills916 said:

Check out WR Brandon Aiyuk Arizona St his head was Herm Edwards

Currently have Aiyuk as a third round grade. 

[BuffaninATL]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Shenault is gonna be sub 4.45. I am thinking he breaks into the 4.3 

 

how do you know this? Just wondering, as a 4.3 is a huge jump

[Like A Mofo]

You can never have enough edge rushers. I say make the defense even better.

 

To win big in the NFL you must be elite at something. Buffalo defense was upper echelon, but I say take it to the level where there are virtually zero holes

 

A WR can be found in the 2nd round

[1st&ten]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, he’s a 2nd rounder to me. My buddy is the President of the Clemson Alumni Association here and is a diehard. He follows them like I do the Bills. I defer all Clemson analysis to him. He says that Tee isn’t a 1st rounder. 

 

He didn't look that impressive to me in the playoff game with LSU---but that's the only game I've seen him in & LSU does have good cornerbacks.

[MAJBobby]

28 minutes ago, BuffaninATL said:

 

how do you know this? Just wondering, as a 4.3 is a huge jump

because reports I have read say they expect Shenault to be in low 4.4s to 4.3s 

[thebandit27]

44 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Any truth to the rumor about fat and slow @DFT ??

Ruggs = fat and slow 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

 

He didn't look that impressive to me in the playoff game with LSU---but that's the only game I've seen him in & LSU does have good cornerbacks.

It’s weird because a couple of years ago I thought he’d be an absolute star (and he still might be). I don’t see a ton of them and I’ve always liked him. My buddy just doesn’t think that he separates well enough compared to other guys. He thinks that he can be good but not great and said, “I wouldn’t take him in the 1st.” That’s enough for me. 

[NewEra]

Shenault was initially my best case scenario at 22 but I’ve switched over to Higgins.  I think his skill set is better suited for us than shenaults.

[Reed83HOF]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

If Jerry Jeudy drops to #15, I’d like to see a trade-up.

you bet your ass, you move that scenario. I really think if both him and Lamb are out there thought pick 9 - you make the move

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Shenault was initially my best case scenario at 22 but I’ve switched over to Higgins.  I think his skill set is better suited for us than shenaults.

why?  Because he high points?  
 

how is a guy Shenault that brings the same skill sets as three of our WRs not a better fit?

[Gambit]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Lamb and Jeudy should be the first two off board. 
 

I like Lamb a bit more than Jeudy. 
 

now after those two it becomes a little muddled with Higgins, Ruggs, Shenault. 

All 3 are solid. I'd rather have Ruggs or Shenault myself. While Higgins is good, I feel like the other 2 are bigger difference makers. I feel like they can line up anywhere and be dangerous.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

That’s what he needs to get. I know many scouts are saying 4.5 is probably what he will run and needs to run. Anything slower and watch the tumble. 
 

I see a 4.5 out of him and that is ok as long as the 10 yard split, 3 Cone and Shuttle times are good. If they are not he is going to fall. 
 

I don’t want another WR that can’t get open and separate 

That's exactly the narrative that existed for DK Metcalf abd why he fell, and he's been killing it in the NFL.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

That's exactly the narrative that existed for DK Metcalf abd why he fell, and he's been killing it in the NFL.

He had a ***** combine. And fixed some of that during pro day. I would not exactly call him killing it. 

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Let me put it this way: if he mocks someone to a team like Baltimore or NYG—where he’s got a connection to the GM—you can more or less take it to the bank.

NYG have to take OT at their pick with Gettleman

[Kmart128]

I would prefer Jefferson or Shenault... Higgins has not lived up to potential despite having a future 1st round pick QB

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s weird because a couple of years ago I thought he’d be an absolute star (and he still might be). I don’t see a ton of them and I’ve always liked him. My buddy just doesn’t think that he separates well enough compared to other guys. He thinks that he can be good but not great and said, “I wouldn’t take him in the 1st.” That’s enough for me. 

 

 

The playoffs were not kind to the Tee Higgins evaluation, IMO.    He went up against legit pro-type talent and really got physically pushed around.   That doesn't bode well for instant impact at the NFL level so I expect teams will be afraid of taking him that early and then having to deal with the failure to meet early expectations from fans and media etc..   Nice guy to be able to stash behind an AJ Green for a year or two though.

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The playoffs were not kind to the Tee Higgins evaluation, IMO.    He went up against legit pro-type talent and really got physically pushed around.   That doesn't bode well for instant impact at the NFL level so I expect teams will be afraid of taking him that early and then having to deal with the failure to meet early expectations from fans and media etc..   Nice guy to be able to stash behind an AJ Green for a year or two though.

IIRC, according to Astro, Higgins has not been on our list of visits. Obviously against LSU we were there, but that was not a great game for him. I honestly don't see him as a target for us

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Now for hard and fast positional rules...........follow the money.   

 

If you can't find it or afford it in UFA........QB/ElitePassRush/WR1/CB1/LT...........then it's worth a 1st or 2nd round pick.

 

Otherwise it's not.

 

First round picks should be treated like $20M UFA purchases.........because if they pan out that's what they should be worth on the open market and you should want to retain them for market value.

 

People always seem to forget about this on this board and every year I say Badol has it locked down on this. 1000000000000000000% correct

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Jeremiah did say during Bowl telecast that this could be the "deepest and fastest WR class in years".......do does McBeane go WR in the 1st?......or with that type of forecasted depth, does he trade down to grab an extra 2nd for his WR pick?......sorry to ask, but I don't get to see college ball, having to depend on our TBD collegiate experts....

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

why?  Because he high points?  
 

how is a guy Shenault that brings the same skill sets as three of our WRs not a better fit?

Not really sure what that means but I’ll attempt.

 

Biggest reason:  I feel he has better hands.  I also feel that he’s a better deep threat, runs better routes and high points better.  
 

Shenaults route running and hands are a step below imo.   His playmaking ability with the ball in his hands are better than Higgins. 

Lets be realistic.  Our Qb is JA.  It would benefit I him to have a guy that does what Higgins specializes in.  A guy that could be very special at “going up to get it”.   Allen improvises a lot. Higgins is a great target for a qb like Ja imo. Shenault too, obv, he’s really good, but I prefer Higgins overall technique, hands and height to Shenaults explosiveness and bulk.....for this bills team 

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Currently have Aiyuk as a third round grade. 

 

I bet he jumps into round one as he will kill the combine and he won't be out the question at 22?

 

Everyone seems to be jumping on this kids bandwagon.

 

My guy is Tyler Johnson in round 2 if the Bills don't go WR in round one.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Not really sure what that means but I’ll attempt.

 

Biggest reason:  I feel he has better hands.  I also feel that he’s a better deep threat, runs better routes and high points better.  
 

Shenaults route running and hands are a step below imo.   His playmaking ability with the ball in his hands are better than Higgins. 

Lets be realistic.  Our Qb is JA.  It would benefit I him to have a guy that does what Higgins specializes in.  A guy that could be very special at “going up to get it”.   Allen improvises a lot. Higgins is a great target for a qb like Ja imo. Shenault too, obv, he’s really good, but I prefer Higgins overall technique, hands and height to Shenaults explosiveness and bulk.....for this bills team 

Shenaults hands are just as good. And high points very well as well. I do give you that is route tree is limited at this point and that is really because of how versatile and explosive he is. 
 

he has played QB (in WC), RB, Every WR spot. If he was in a Clemson or Bama where they put him at WR and let him be WR I think he would be looked at in the same light as Lamb and Jeudy. 
 

So I do give Higgins a better route tree and route running. I am concerned with Higgins ability to separate at the NFL level. His times will either confirm that or deny it. I think he is a 1st round WR and would not hate the pick if Shenault is gone (which very well could be likely once the offseason process starts and combine). 
 

I think Shenault just does more for me in terms of overall offense with his flexibility and explosiveness (again it might also be because I would want Bills double dipping at WR in this draft class). 

[njbuff]

Ruggs has Tyreek Hill's gameday speed.

 

I wonder if he lasts to 22 and/or the Bills would take him.

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I bet he jumps into round one as he will kill the combine and he won't be out the question at 22?

 

Everyone seems to be jumping on this kids bandwagon.

 

My guy is Tyler Johnson in round 2 if the Bills don't go WR in round one.

I think as process goes on I could see him as a second round grade for me as I refine my grades but I don’t see me grading him as a 1st round prospect. 

[njbuff]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

I think as process goes on I could see him as a second round grade for me as I refine my grades but I don’t see me grading him as a 1st round prospect. 

 

I don't know man, a lot of people really like this kid.

 

It might come down to over evaluating him, but he is going to get a lot of love moving forward.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

I don't know man, a lot of people really like this kid.

 

It might come down to over evaluating him, but he is going to get a lot of love moving forward.

my grades will be refined as I make my initial ones really early in College Season. But I think to date only players that really have a high climb for me are those initially have a really low grade like a 6th or 7th. They grow the most. 
 

again I know my current grades are immature and will refine. 
 

but like they always say only takes one team to fall in love with you. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Shenaults hands are just as good. And high points very well as well. I do give you that is route tree is limited at this point and that is really because of how versatile and explosive he is. 
 

he has played QB (in WC), RB, Every WR spot. If he was in a Clemson or Bama where they put him at WR and let him be WR I think he would be looked at in the same light as Lamb and Jeudy. 
 

So I do give Higgins a better route tree and route running. I am concerned with Higgins ability to separate at the NFL level. His times will either confirm that or deny it. I think he is a 1st round WR and would not hate the pick if Shenault is gone (which very well could be likely once the offseason process starts and combine). 
 

I think Shenault just does more for me in terms of overall offense with his flexibility and explosiveness (again it might also be because I would want Bills double dipping at WR in this draft class). 

I hear ya.  I love shenault.  I’d be happy with him.  I was worried about Higgins separation as well until I started watching more tape.  He’s a better steelers than I thought he was.  But nothing like shenault

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Wasn't this what most said about Sammy Watkins? Except that he lacked the ideal size of guys like AJ Green, Julio and other top WRs?

A lot of people overlooked Watkins’ less than ideal height and modest vertical jump as well as the fact that he caught most (over 50%) of his passes behind the LOS at Clemson. 

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

my grades will be refined as I make my initial ones really early in College Season. But I think to date only players that really have a high climb for me are those initially have a really low grade like a 6th or 7th. They grow the most. 
 

again I know my current grades are immature and will refine. 
 

but like they always say only takes one team to fall in love with you. 

 

That's exactly what happened with Kelly Stouffer way back in 1987 with the Cardinals.

 

The guy was a 5th round prospect that was chosen 6th overall in 1987. 

 

No other team was taking him until the 5th round.

 

Just one example of falling in love with the wrong player.

[MJS]

35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

He had a ***** combine. And fixed some of that during pro day. I would not exactly call him killing it. 

A 900 yard 7 TD rookie season is pretty darn good.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

That's exactly what happened with Kelly Stouffer way back in 1987 with the Cardinals.

 

The guy was a 5th round prospect that was chosen 6th overall in 1987. 

 

No other team was taking him until the 5th round.

 

Just one example of falling in love with the wrong player.

yep can also put EJ in this discussion as well.  
 

That is why I always caveat prospect threads with where I grade them. And yep like every scout or people that right about prospects they too have their bias but when looking at the amount written and transparency you can get a range the player should be in. 
 

teams lack that transparency and can easily fall in love. Happens every year. 

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

A 900 yard 7 TD rookie season is pretty darn good.

it is a good rookie year. Not exactly tearing it up. Also look at his routes deep outside. Not exactly routes that are difficult for a size speed guy to complete. Again also had better 3-cone and Shuttle times are Proday. And if I remember his 10 yard split was also really good. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Higgins needs a ton of time in the weight room before he’ll be able to get off press coverage.  He is really slight in his shoulders. He’s got a Justin Hunter or James Hardy body (RIP).

[ScorpionZero]

Honestly we're all a bunch of armchair GM's we fall in love with players we think will take us to the promised land and we live for it. We search, we read, we watch college games and listen to commentators who your just waiting ro run down onto the field and suck the players dick the way they talk about who should be in the draft and teams (cup they're balls) covet, we watch highlight videos on YouTube, (should be watching individual games, which we're not privy to actually watch the good game film). And we say how much our team needs them. We don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to do that, they do. Who here thought in 2018 when we moved up to 7 in round 1 that we would have selected the other Josh. Everyone thought Rosen, and where is he. Same goes for Edmonds. We moved up top get him and look who was drafted after him, an all pro safety among others. But would we have it any other way. Edmonds is great. You don't ask an accountant to fix your car. You only hope that the guys that are truly in touch with the team are working together to make it the best it can be. McBeane have proven they work well together and have the heartbeat of the team and what's best for it. I guess if we all got some ***** and had lives this place would be devoid of all this conjecture, like "look I was right" waiting for a pat on the back from some online entity that makes no difference in your life. Yet I will be making my own draft board, deciding who I want, and who we should select. So,      how sad am I. 

[Don Otreply]

7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

It’s early to be having inside information at this stage..

 

He is throwing darts at a board..

I think it goes “pasta at the wall to see if it sticks”...?

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, Gambit said:

All 3 are solid. I'd rather have Ruggs or Shenault myself. While Higgins is good, I feel like the other 2 are bigger difference makers. I feel like they can line up anywhere and be dangerous.

I tend to side with this logic.  You don't pick a tall guy because you need a tall guy. You take the most explosive player. And you keep Duke on the roster for the red zone stuff. 

[BuffaloRebound]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Higgins needs a ton of time in the weight room before he’ll be able to get off press coverage.  He is really slight in his shoulders. He’s got a Justin Hunter or James Hardy body (RIP).

 

Agreed.  Delpit on LSU isn’t a big guy and knocked him out of championship.  We need an AJ Brown/Deebo Samuel type.  

[JetsFan20]

4 OL in top 10 is unheard of. 

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

A lot of people overlooked Watkins’ less than ideal height and modest vertical jump as well as the fact that he caught most (over 50%) of his passes behind the LOS at Clemson. 

I remember reading this article before the draft and having reservations about Watkins. Yet I felt Eric Ebron was a better option. https://www.si.com/2014/04/15/sammy-watkins-clemson-nfl-draft

[MiltonWaddams]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

A 900 yard 7 TD rookie season is pretty darn good.

That wild card game alone puts him in the “killing it” category.