Top WR Prospects

[BigBuff423]

3 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I was thinking it was because he hasn’t declared yet, but I could be wrong.

Honestly, I didn’t even think of that - and you’re probably right. Thank you.

[Buffalophil1948]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think with the WR depth vs pass rush depth you take epenesa there unless there is a big gap between shenault and the next WR on their board 

I agree, but there is just so much speculation as what could happen.  I believe what happens in free agency will help shape this pick

[Putin]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Double down.  Take Shenault in Round 1.

 

Comeback with another in the later rounds

This ^^^^^ please ?

[thebandit27]

Boy I’m shocked at all of the Laviska love. I mean, he’s talented, but he’s about 75% the player that Sammy Watkins was coming out of Clemson...and the way people rage hate Watkins ‘round these parts, I’m astonished that Shenault is so highly regarded.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Boy I’m shocked at all of the Laviska love. I mean, he’s talented, but he’s about 75% the player that Sammy Watkins was coming out of Clemson...and the way people rage hate Watkins ‘round these parts, I’m astonished that Shenault is so highly regarded.

Bandit, what is your opinion on CeeDee Lamb?

[thebandit27]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Bandit, what is your opinion on CeeDee Lamb?

I like Lamb a lot. From my initial work ups he’s my WR3 behind Ruggs (2) and Jeudy (1). I’d take any of those 3 in round 1 without hesitation.

 

After that I’ve got a group of Higgins/Reagor/Aiyuk as my next tier. There’s a 50% chance that all are on the clock when we pick as far as I’m guessing.

 

We’ll see how things go come March when I go back to school on these guys for real.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

I like Lamb a lot. From my initial work ups he’s my WR3 behind Ruggs (2) and Jeudy (1). I’d take any of those 3 in round 1 without hesitation.

 

After that I’ve got a group of Higgins/Reagor/Aiyuk as my next tier. There’s a 50% chance that all are on the clock when we pick as far as I’m guessing.

 

We’ll see how things go come March when I go back to school on these guys for real.

I see DeAndre Hopkins when I watch him.

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, Lurker said:

Shenault's the guy I want.    But in true Bills fashion, I can't get my hopes up--since he'll get taken one slot before our selection if I do...

 

Or he'll be passed on by Beane for a DB.

[Mountain Man]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought he was cleared, no?

He was. But I'm sure that it even reached that stage will mean questions are asked. 

 

I'd love the Bills to draft him, it's looks like a raw version of Mike Evans to me

[Mountain Man]

11 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

Looks like we have an early entry into "UDFA Fan Favorite" for this year!

 

Da'Rick, Move on over!

He'll be drafted. Probably round 4 or 5 is my guess. But I can't see him going undrafted. 

[Ayjent]

11 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

I like Lamb a lot. From my initial work ups he’s my WR3 behind Ruggs (2) and Jeudy (1). I’d take any of those 3 in round 1 without hesitation.

 

After that I’ve got a group of Higgins/Reagor/Aiyuk as my next tier. There’s a 50% chance that all are on the clock when we pick as far as I’m guessing.

 

We’ll see how things go come March when I go back to school on these guys for real.

I'm always a little weary of this Big12 WRs like Lamb - they are allergic to playing pass defense in that conference.  Doesn't mean he's not good, but he's not playing against anything like he'll see in the NFL in terms of talent or scheme. 

 

I've watched a lot on Higgins and at first I didn't like what I saw just from build and route running, then I saw a big lanky guy that wasn't afraid of contact or blocking and actually could fight off defenders after the catch, but that was just watching highlights.  Then I went and watched about 5 games with every offensive snap, and soured on him being a No. 1.  He's a good player but he is not going to be a legit No. 1 option on an NFL team - he isn't really even that on his college team.  That type of player will be available later in the draft IMO with such a deep and talented class of WRs.  I know Pittman Jr projects to be a bit slower and is less explosive in space, but he is a physical specimen that has great adjustment to the ball, is a strong runner after the catch, makes a lot of contested catches positioning himself in the best spot to win the ball, is a great blocker, and plays hard on every snap.  He isn't the best at getting separation and I think that and his speed are why he is projected as a day 2 guy, but if I had to choose between Higgins and Pittman Jr it would be Pittman Jr all day.

[SoCal Deek]

Pittman

[thebandit27]

16 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

I'm always a little weary of this Big12 WRs like Lamb - they are allergic to playing pass defense in that conference.  Doesn't mean he's not good, but he's not playing against anything like he'll see in the NFL in terms of talent or scheme. 

 

I've watched a lot on Higgins and at first I didn't like what I saw just from build and route running, then I saw a big lanky guy that wasn't afraid of contact or blocking and actually could fight off defenders after the catch, but that was just watching highlights.  Then I went and watched about 5 games with every offensive snap, and soured on him being a No. 1.  He's a good player but he is not going to be a legit No. 1 option on an NFL team - he isn't really even that on his college team.  That type of player will be available later in the draft IMO with such a deep and talented class of WRs.  I know Pittman Jr projects to be a bit slower and is less explosive in space, but he is a physical specimen that has great adjustment to the ball, is a strong runner after the catch, makes a lot of contested catches positioning himself in the best spot to win the ball, is a great blocker, and plays hard on every snap.  He isn't the best at getting separation and I think that and his speed are why he is projected as a day 2 guy, but if I had to choose between Higgins and Pittman Jr it would be Pittman Jr all day.

Yeah, I have Pittman on my list for my next round since I didn’t get to him for more than a cursory look.

 

[Ayjent]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Pittman

I think for a team like the Bills that wants to be tougher than its opponents and with a need for a guy that adjusts very well to targets that might not be right on the money, and blocks with aggression and great effectiveness in screen and run game he is a really good fit.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Ayjent said:

I think for a team like the Bills that wants to be tougher than its opponents and with a need for a guy that adjusts very well to targets that might not be right on the money, and blocks with aggression and great effectiveness in screen and run game he is a really good fit.

Agree. It may just be the USC connection but I’d love to have the next Robert Woods on the Bills. Pittman catches everything and has an excellent family NFL blood line...which more times than not seems to be a recipe for discipline and success, something McBeane are looking for.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

I want Laviska Shenault at #22, then would target Michael Pittman or Chase Claypool in the later rounds. Might be willing to trade up into the late 3rd to land Claypool (to pair with Shenault, John Brown, and Beasley) along with an edge rusher/RB/CB with our other two Day 1-2 picks. 

[Ayjent]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Yeah, I have Pittman on my list for my next round since I didn’t get to him for more than a cursory look.

 

He's not a 1st rounder unless he blows the doors off the combine.  Probably a late 2nd to early 3rd with all of the talent at the position in this draft. 

 

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Agree. It may just be the USC connection but I’d love to have the next Robert Woods on the Bills. Pittman catches everything and has an excellent family NFL blood line...which more times than not seems to be a recipe for discipline and success, something McBeane are looking for.

His father loved contact too and was a big part of the Bucs superbowl run -  he plays like his father did but at WR.

[DCOrange]

I'm sure I'll be able to talk myself into it if Shenault is ultimately the guy, but he doesn't look like a Round 1 prospect to me. I would tend to agree with Reid's scouting report of him at TDN, but I apparently just don't value what he sees the way he does.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/laviska-shenault-jr/NLQE1jFVo5

• He could be an AJ Brown type threat after the catch. I was similarly low on Brown last year and looks like I was probably wrong about him, so maybe I'm wrong about Shenault as well.
• Love the fact that he has experience lining up all over the place
• Seems to have good hands
• I think he has a very long ways to go if he's going to be our X receiver; right now, his only move to beat press coverage is to try to just sprint past them on the outside and I don't think he has the speed to get away with that in the NFL.
• His route running is pretty poor; his out routes drift up the field, he doesn't really sell his cuts, just isn't very good at beating his man when he doesn't have the speed advantage. It's possible that this is a result of never having one specific role in the offense, but it's a concern nonetheless (and a similar concern that I had with AJ Brown, which ultimately didn't hold him back as a rookie).
• He doesn't want to block anybody/doesn't really show much effort when the play is designed to go to someone else.

 

Of the guys I've watched a decent amount of, I currently like (in this order):

1. Henry Ruggs
2. CeeDee Lamb
3. Jerry Jeudy
4. Jalen Reagor
5. Michael Pittman

I'm just lukewarm on Higgins and Jefferson at the moment and pretty skeptical of Shenault. And after those top-tier prospects, I like the little I've seen of Denzel Mims, Bryan Edwards, Jauan Jennings, and Van Jefferson.

 

Edit: And re: the Shenault-Sammy Watkins comparison, the similarities basically end for me at the various ways they were involved in their offense. I don't think Shenault has Sammy's speed, ability to beat press coverage, or route running when he was coming out of Clemson.

Edited January 15, 2020 by DCOrange

[Ayjent]

3 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

I want Laviska Shenault at #22, then would target Michael Pittman or Chase Claypool in the later rounds. Might be willing to trade up into the late 3rd to land Claypool (to pair with Shenault, John Brown, and Beasley) along with an edge rusher/RB/CB with our other two Day 1-2 picks. 

Shenault looks like a Split End/Slot guy to me, a very big one, but that seems to be where he would be most effective because he wasn't a very good receiver on deep routes or on contested catches, and he doesn't adjust well to the deep ball to position himself.  He's best working underneath and in space.  If you are looking to take snaps away from Beasley and upgrade the slot - I think he's the guy.  If they try playing him outside - he will be a disappointment, especially if Josh doesn't improve his accuracy on deep throws.  I look at it from how does he fit on the Bills and with their QB and I just don't see a good fit unless they want to move on from Beasley.

[JaCrispy]

54 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I'm sure I'll be able to talk myself into it if Shenault is ultimately the guy, but he doesn't look like a Round 1 prospect to me. I would tend to agree with Reid's scouting report of him at TDN, but I apparently just don't value what he sees the way he does.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/laviska-shenault-jr/NLQE1jFVo5

• He could be an AJ Brown type threat after the catch. I was similarly low on Brown last year and looks like I was probably wrong about him, so maybe I'm wrong about Shenault as well.
• Love the fact that he has experience lining up all over the place
• Seems to have good hands
• I think he has a very long ways to go if he's going to be our X receiver; right now, his only move to beat press coverage is to try to just sprint past them on the outside and I don't think he has the speed to get away with that in the NFL.
• His route running is pretty poor; his out routes drift up the field, he doesn't really sell his cuts, just isn't very good at beating his man when he doesn't have the speed advantage. It's possible that this is a result of never having one specific role in the offense, but it's a concern nonetheless (and a similar concern that I had with AJ Brown, which ultimately didn't hold him back as a rookie).
• He doesn't want to block anybody/doesn't really show much effort when the play is designed to go to someone else.

 

Of the guys I've watched a decent amount of, I currently like (in this order):

1. Henry Ruggs
2. CeeDee Lamb
3. Jerry Jeudy
4. Jalen Reagor
5. Michael Pittman

I'm just lukewarm on Higgins and Jefferson at the moment and pretty skeptical of Shenault. And after those top-tier prospects, I like the little I've seen of Denzel Mims, Bryan Edwards, Jauan Jennings, and Van Jefferson.

 

Edit: And re: the Shenault-Sammy Watkins comparison, the similarities basically end for me at the various ways they were involved in their offense. I don't think Shenault has Sammy's speed, ability to beat press coverage, or route running when he was coming out of Clemson.

From what I’ve seen of Reagor he has amazing speed and really high points the ball well- seems like an exciting player...

[T master]

No one under 6' please !!

[Allen2Moulds]

I think Jeudy and Lamb are considerably better than all the rest.  They both seem to have elite speed, and are over 6'.  Shenault looks like a good swiss army knife to have, but not like your typical X receiver, that we desperately need.   I know they'll likely be long gone, but it seems like every year, receivers go in a different order than expected.  If Jeudy or Lamb slips a few spots, make sure you get them.  Outside of those two, go BPA in the 1st and than maybe trade up in the 2nd for a WR, if you really like them.

 

I agree, that we absolutely need to provide Josh with more weapons, but picking up a WR, doesn't outweigh a pass rusher or elite offensive lineman if available at pick 22.  Teams with elite lines, are the ones that are winning Superbowls, not elite WR's.   Elite TE's might be a different story.

 

 

  

[WMDman]

Pittman in round 2 is my guy

[Teddy KGB]

I’m a Tee Higgins man 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[Jay_Fixit]

On 1/14/2020 at 9:37 AM, DFT said:

Viska.  Everyone else is fat and slow...

I bet he’s really tall in person.

[DFT]

7 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I bet he’s really tall in person.

Faster, too.  You heard it here first!  Thanks for all I do.  ❤️

[John from Riverside]

I think there is a great opportunity here to get a couple of WR's good enough to start out of this draft......

 

Use free agency money to improve the pass rush.....draft 2 WR's....another RB.....a back up QB

[YoloinOhio]

35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think there is a great opportunity here to get a couple of WR's good enough to start out of this draft......

 

Use free agency money to improve the pass rush.....draft 2 WR's....another RB.....a back up QB

I could see AJ Green on a 1 to 2 year deal if he’s not franchised, and a 2nd Rd rookie to pair with him (Higgins?)  McDermott loves to pair successful vets with rookies. 

[BurpleBull]

ANTONIO GANDY-GOLDEN...all aboard in 5, 4, 3, 2...

 

I really like Michael Pittman and Jalen Reagor also. 

[BurpleBull]

 

[RyanC883]

with so many good WR's coming out, make a list of who fits the Bills/Josh's style, target that guy.  perhaps he is a rd. 2 guy.  then take Edge (not many in the draft), get WR 2nd and 4th, RB in 3rd, and another edge/DT/CB later.  

 

Also get TE (Hooper/Henry) and Edge in FA.  

[tcampbell104]

On 1/14/2020 at 1:17 PM, JR in Pittsburgh said:

If I had to speculate, they won’t go receiver until 2nd or 3rd round. I bet they actually go CB in round 1. 

if a cb was their top rated guy when they pick i suppose they might,but i doubt that would happen.

[Jay_Fixit]

Did I see somebody write “Leodis McJeudy” ???

 

 

 

Awesome.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, tcampbell104 said:

if a cb was their top rated guy when they pick i suppose they might,but i doubt that would happen.

I agree. But it wouldn’t be the worst thing to have two elite shut down corners. Would also

hedge against injury and the possibility of not being able to re-sign Tre. 

[eball]

3 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

hedge against injury and the possibility of not being able to re-sign Tre

 

Very rarely am I as certain of something Bills-related as I am that they will re-sign Tre.  Not signing him to a long term deal would literally go against everything Beane and McD have preached since their arrival.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by eball

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Very rarely am I as certain of something Bills-related as I am that they will re-sign Tre.  Not signing him to a long term deal would literally go against everything Beane and McD have preached since their arrival.

 

 

I agree 100%. I bet they are talking right now on an extension. The only concern for me is White’s position on it. 
 

I have never been a fan of signing or re-signing high priced Free agent corners, but White is the clearest exception. 

[Blank Stare]

Give me all the receivers! I like Higgins, Shenault, Riggs, Jefferson, Gandy-Golden. Any of them! Look, I’m not picky, just get some. We should come away with at least two legitimate options between draft, trade, or FA.  I’d love another year where we hit receiver twice in the draft like we did with Bob Woods and Glass-quise Goodwin. Knowing it can take receivers some time to develop, I’m not against the trade route either. 
 

Also, besides being hard to find a dominant one and the price, anyone think some of their reluctance to add receivers has been because they are typically some of the least “process”-like players? Let’s be honest, a lot of WRs can be divas. You’ve got to find the ones willing to put in the work and also be all about the team. Easier said than done. Yes, they were interested in AB, but I think only because what they knew of him as a player at the time was that he’d work harder than anyone. Maybe he was just upset with his situation and a change of scenery would do him some good. Obviously, they (and many others) missed the mark on that assumption. Sometimes you’re going to have to live with a few divas at the receiver position to get to where you want to go. Hoping Beane and co are finally ready to commit to the position with some serious resources to help Josh. 

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I agree. But it wouldn’t be the worst thing to have two elite shut down corners. Would also

hedge against injury and the possibility of not being able to re-sign Tre. 

 

Tre is a very good cornerback, but he is not a shutdown guy.  That term gets thrown around too loosely these days.  The only DB in the league that's close to it is Gilmore.

[Chicken Boo]

On 1/14/2020 at 4:10 PM, Logic said:

I'd love for the Shenault supporters to share with me what it is they love about him so much.

 

He is a physical receiver with great hands and very good acceleration.  A more dynamic Deebo Samuel, if you like what he's done so far.

 

Every Isaiah McKenzie run you saw this year would be a Shenault run in 2020.  A guy with ability to take a quick slant or a WR screen to the house, while also possessing the speed to take the top off a defense.

 

At 6'2" 220lbs, running a 4.38 40, what isn't there to like?  He's built for this team and this offense.

Edited January 17, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

He is a physical receiver with great hands and very good acceleration.  A more dynamic Deebo Samuel, if you like what he's done so far.

 

Every Isaiah McKenzie run you saw this year would be a Shenault run in 2020.  A guy with ability to take a quick slant or a WR screen to the house, while also possessing the speed to take the top off a defense.

 

At 6'2" 220lbs, running a 4.38 40, what isn't there to like?  He's built for this team and this offense.

I'm going to go out and say he downs run a 4.38... probably doesn't even run a 4.44

 

Im just talking speed nothing else about his game