Browns interview Brian Daboll for HC; have interest in pairing with Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen

[AtlBills]

Sirius Radio NFL Channel just reported Cleveland HC job is down to Josh McDaniels or Kevin Stephanski. Looks like Dabs will be back. Personally I like that JA will have another season in the same system with the same OC. Now we just need to fine tune the play calling and get JA to improve his mechanics and  progression reads.

[zevo]

The more I thought about it...I’m fine with Daboll coming back....I think mcd will put the pressure on him to score more points...I think the team as whole knows that more points is going to be a requirement to move the needle from last year. Can’t count on the defense from year to year though they have shown to be consistent.

[skibum]

There may be other opportunities out there for him yet. But either way, I doubt some New Guy is going to come in at OC and suddenly it starts raining touchdowns in Buffalo. Another year of Daboll is probably no better or worse than the other options that may be available. What they really need are better pass catchers, a healthy O-line, and some growth from the QB. 

[Mr. WEO]

yup.  reported yesterday in the other Daboll/Browns thread.  he's not a finalist.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

yup.  reported yesterday in the other Daboll/Browns thread.  he's not a finalist.

You heard it here second?

[Rc2catch]

I’m sure there was upgrades to daboll out there, but zero guarantee we could of gotten one. It’s not a bad thing for josh to keep growing in this system. I think we sometimes forget even though it’s talked about how many new guys we incorporated into the offense and it was the first year. They really struggled to execute at times and I think that’s a big hinderance to the play calling. Yes he made us all frustrated scratching our heads with bad calls. Nobody gets them all right. I think he can open it up as long as Allen continues to progress. All those 1-2 yard Gore runs can make a difference if we’re getting 3-5 yards instead 

[Happy]

I'm surprised he made it this far in the interview process.  So Daboll is back....great.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I’m ok with this. While frustrating at times continuity is important. The  players seem to like him and if these guys can gel like the defense has over a few years I think this could be a sweet offense.

 

i think Daboll is very creative and can develop good plays but he needs to grasp a better feel for the game and how to attack. He dials up some strange calls at crucial times that became driver killers. 

[DuckyBoys]

I'm torn between continuity or a fresh approach.  On one hand the talent around Josh is still suspect though improved by leaps from 2018.  On the other hand bizarre personnel usage and continuously out thinking himself seem to be Daboll trademarks.   Maybe year 3 with talent added is the charm.  I think we'll know very early next year.  I did not see a huge change production wise over the course of the year. Games they executed at a very high level the offense was good  Games there were snafus the offense sputtered.  Need to see more explosiveness (talent) Also less of a need to be perfect on every snap to get drives into tds. Really feel the offense is too dink/dunk for Josh Allen's skill set but that may have been the result of the personnel

[Dr. Who]

11 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

I'm torn between continuity or a fresh approach.  On one hand the talent around Josh is still suspect though improved by leaps from 2018.  On the other hand bizarre personnel usage and continuously out thinking himself seem to be Daboll trademarks.   Maybe year 3 with talent added is the charm.  I think we'll know very early next year.  I did not see a huge change production wise over the course of the year. Games they executed at a very high level the offense was good  Games there were snafus the offense sputtered.  Need to see more explosiveness (talent) Also less of a need to be perfect on every snap to get drives into tds. Really feel the offense is too dink/dunk for Josh Allen's skill set but that may have been the result of the personnel

I'm ambivalent as well. Sometimes the simple choice is also the wise one. Daboll seems to always want to be too clever by half.

Nonetheless, continuity may help and perhaps a complex offense becomes simpler after folks have lived with it awhile.

[Saint Doug]

22 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Not inspiring nor uninspiring news.

I think the continuity outweighs 10% of the offense calls being the wrong ones. 

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, Saint Doug said:

I think the continuity outweighs 10% of the offense calls being the wrong ones. 

 

Sure hope so .  Needs to be better with personnel usage  As well as not over thinking things  I always wonder why the jet sweep was not a staple function in every game?  You would think we would attempt it to test the edges at least a couple time per game vs a Frank Gore up the gut run on 2nd down.  I have my fingers crossed we get some elite talent on offense in the offseason to take some pressure off both Josh to execute and Daboll to scheme the perfect play

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the only reason Cleveland keeps floating out that these other guys like Stefanski and saleh are still in the mix for the job is because they don’t know yet if McDaniels will officially accept. They don’t want it to look like any of them are plan B. But they are. 

 

 

...LOL...neither does he.....the "Escape Clause" may be tested....stay tuned...........

[davefan66]

Thought there was talk Daboll could be McDaniels choice as OC?

 

Couldn't be a lateral move unless Buffalo allows him to leave, but add “assistant head coach” and it wouldn’t be.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Thought there was talk Daboll could be McDaniels choice as OC?

 

Couldn't be a lateral move unless Buffalo allows him to leave, but add “assistant head coach” and it wouldn’t be.

Really? I thought anything other than HC job is a lateral move 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I hope that right now Daboll, McDermott, and Frazier are sitting in a film room and the others are giving him unvarnished feedback about instances where his play calling appears to confuse our team more than the opponent, and from a defensive POV, just why that is.

 

 

 

I agree.  I think he's here to stay.  And, for some reason, I actually feel confident that he (Daboll) has heard an earful from McDermott and possibly higher up.  The pressure is on Daboll for next season; especially if Beane gets some actual weapons for Allen to work with.

[BillsFan4]

10 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Thought there was talk Daboll could be McDaniels choice as OC?

 

Couldn't be a lateral move unless Buffalo allows him to leave, but add “assistant head coach” and it wouldn’t be.

They can deny everything but a promotion to head coach. Everything else is considered a lateral move, even if they tried to tack on an “assistant (to the) head coach” title. 

 

Now, if Daboll came to them and said he wanted to leave, they may still allow it. But I can’t see him doing that. McDaniels would likely call plays, so it would kind of be like taking a demotion. Plus, he’d get more credit for the offense in Buffalo (with a defensive minded head coach) vs Cleveland (with an offensive minded head coach). 

[JoeF]

Mort seems to think that Josh to CLE is not going to happen.

 

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

10m

 

Tom Brady very well could have Josh McDaniels as OC again if QB works out future w

@Patriots. If Patriots had beaten Titans, McDaniels would've interviewed w Giants Sunday in Foxboro. Loss altered schedule w Joe Judge going first Monday in NY. McDaniels pushed to Wed. Pushed out.

[Reed83HOF]

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

 

Could this fall in our favor with Brian Gaine... Gaine obviously was GM of Texans and came back to Buffalo. A Gaine/Daboll pairing in Cleveland could seem likely. 

This would be the worse part of Daboll leaving for Cleveland, if he took any of our FO people. Dan Morgan comes to mind. Love Morgan to stay in Buffalo for another year or two.

Edited January 11, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

It looks like it's down to Stefanski & Saleh.  If they weren't waiting for one of them they would have already hired one of the guys already available.  

Daboll will have a good shot next year, although the team wanting to sign him will have to wait until after the Super Bowl. 

[Foxx]

if they were smart, they would take a serious look at Roman.

[atlbillsfan1975]

6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

if they were smart, they would take a serious look at Roman.

Good OC and runs a specific system. Not sure how well Baker is cut out for it. But I agree Roman appeared to have his offense ready to perform.

[YoloinOhio]

45 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

This sounds like agent driven media tweets

[Saint Doug]

16 minutes ago, Foxx said:

if they were smart, they would take a serious look at Roman.

It’s odd he hasn’t really been mentioned in these searches, but perhaps it has more to do with the number of openings and the seemingly urgency these teams are displaying in their hiring. 

[whatdrought]

Daboll exceptionally prepared for interviews... but can he adjust when the interviewer catches on to his script? That’s the question...

[Punching Bag]

On 1/10/2020 at 11:45 AM, Steptide said:

I give daboll a 5% chance of getting hired by the Browns. Then again, it is the Browns so.. 

 

So you are saying they are not smart enough to hire him since they usually hire wrong candidate....

On 1/10/2020 at 12:17 PM, Logic said:

No way the Browns would hire Daboll over McDaniels and Stefanski, right? That seems insane. Browns fans would riot.

 

So three fans will drop the bones they are chewing on.  Big deal.

[Punching Bag]

23 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Roman is JAC without a QB that can run. Roman would have no Jackson or Kaepernick   

in Cleveland.

 

 

Kaepernick is available; Kaepernick would be perfect in Cleveland and Cinci, Pitts and Balt fans would be happy.

[Punching Bag]

22 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think it is gonna be Stefanski. 

 

It would be cool to watch McDaniels fail to get the Browns' job after he spent the last couple of years spurning other people. 

 

Even better for him to accept and Browns pull the football away from him.

 

20 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

not perhaps he came in like an arrogant patriot and Browns said yeah we will call you. 
 

brining you’re wife to the interview is ULTIMATE ARROGANCE 

 

How do you know? She may be his secretary. 

[Punching Bag]

20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Everyone is assuming he loves Baker because he was the one who attended his predraft workout in Norman. It’s possible he was simply the one to attend, and we don’t actually  know whether he loves him, likes him, is Indifferent or hates him. He also has 2 years of nfl Baker to assess after that and most of it is pretty terrible. Just saying. 

 

But he does commercials well.  Maybe new head coach wants to get break into commercials and wants tips.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Daboll exceptionally prepared for interviews... but can he adjust when the interviewer catches on to his script? That’s the question...

 

Can see one question 4 and 1 what would you do? Throw it deep!

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Wow, I don't really want to be cast as a Baker apologist.  Did he really admit "not working very hard"?  I know he did say he wouldn't be hiring a private QB coach, I thought he was kind of snarky and maybe taking a bit of a shot at Allen, Darnold and Kyle Allen and their beach-house-Jordan-Palmer plan " I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that."  (of course, the swim through the ocean is not the "better QB" part of their plan)

 

Swimming in ocean is very good exercise for QBs especially butterfly stroke but when your head if full of lead you tend to sink.

17 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Most Bills fans on TBD seem to want Daboll on a midnight train outta town...Idk, I would hate starting over at OC...

 

There are stats, damn stats and the stats you make up.

[JoeF]

33 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Daboll exceptionally prepared for interviews... but can he adjust when the interviewer catches on to his script? That’s the question...

Jimmy asked him:  "If you were a tree, what kind of a tree would you be?"

 

Daboll answered, "A route tree"

 

Blew him the ***** away!!!

[BigBillsFan]

58 minutes ago, Foxx said:

if they were smart, they would take a serious look at Roman.

If they were REALLY smart they would take Daboll off our hands. Hell I'll chip in.

[BillsFan4]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-hired-freddie-kitchens-by-a-4-2-vote-ownership-and-john-dorsey-were-aligned-in-backing-him/

Browns hired Freddie Kitchens by a 4-2 vote; ownership and John Dorsey were aligned in backing him

 

Quote

There were six people most directly involved with the hiring process a year ago, with the Browns myriad coaching searches often playing out in different shapes, but always with owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam choosing the candidate they felt most strongly about. Last year that couple, and their son-in-law, JW Johnson, led the search along with Dorsey, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta – a mainstay in the coaching searches – and then-executive Andrew Berry.

That six-person party was involved in all of the interviews and when the interviews were complete, each had a voice in "voting" essentially for the candidate of their choosing, sources said. In the end, only DePodesta and Berry tallied a dissenting vote when it came down to the finalists, with Kitchens prevailing by a 4-2 margin. Dorsey made it clear he believe he could forge an immediate strong working relationship with Kitchens, who had largely been a position coach prior to his quick rise with the Browns after Hue Jackson was fired in-season, but the Haslam's voting as a block for Kitchens is what carried the day over the votes of any of their individual employees.

 

?‍♂️

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know that Daboll's first job coaching for the Patriots was as a defensive assistant - I think for DBs?  then WR coach and TE coach.  So he does, in the past, have some background in looking at things from a defensive POV.  But maybe not a front-7 POV?

 

I have the impression that sometimes the things that strike Daboll as likely to fool a defense, are not, in fact, the things that defensive coaches and defenders key on, and that it would benefit him to sit down with a defender or defensive coach and self-scout his play calling.

 

He was a Defensive coaching assistant for New England Patriots (2000–2001) and that is not a lot of time in NFL.  

I think he needs help with his game plans but I would be surprised if it is not already reviewed by head coach.

I think Coach McD needs some senior offense and defense assistants like some other teams do.

 

10 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

26 passes and only 9 handoffs after halftime is calling a good game? Especially with a young QB playing in his first playoff game. We had the lead for almost the entire second half, Houston didn't take the lead until 4:37 mark of the fourth quarter. 2 handoffs from the 7:28 mark of the 3rd quarter till the end of the game. That's 34 minutes and 8 seconds.......OVER A HALF!!! Not a single handoff on the 9 play OT drive. That's not calling a good game, it's massacring it. All the razzle-dazzle in the world isn't going to make up for that play calling. Too bad Cleveland doesn't want him, I wonder if the Pegulas would throw in some money to sweeten the deal.

 

Many of those plays are run-pass options Josh has chosen pass.  Or were you in huddle and we did not see you?

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, JoeF said:

Mort seems to think that Josh to CLE is not going to happen.

 

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

10m

 

Tom Brady very well could have Josh McDaniels as OC again if QB works out future w

@Patriots. If Patriots had beaten Titans, McDaniels would've interviewed w Giants Sunday in Foxboro. Loss altered schedule w Joe Judge going first Monday in NY. McDaniels pushed to Wed. Pushed out.

 

Really? I was sooooo sure the Bills would trade Josh to Cleveland during off season..... 

[HappyDays]

 

I didn't expect Daboll to have any chance at all. I'd still consider him the underdog but this could really happen.