Reed83HOF Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Come on....signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Figster said: The league will learn how to counter Lamar Jackson by stopping the run. The hits Jackson takes will start adding up IMO. No way even with what I know now am I taking the second coming of Mike Vick over Josh Allen. Can Jackson beat QB's like Mahomes or Rodgers with his arm? I think not Time will tell... Rodgers has 10 passing TD since Halloween. Then Packers squeaked by the Lions and the Redskins down the stretch. The Ravens would annihilate the Rodgers and the Packers right now. It would be LSU-Oklahoma. Jackson would unscrew his arm, beat Rodgers about the head and neck with it and then re-attatch it to shake the old boys hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 hours ago, VADC Bills said: The Bills were fortunate to have the schedule work in their favor this year but we still could not beat the good teams consistently. The Bills have trouble scoring more than 17 points per game. I expect they will be better in these areas next year. I would like to see Beane have a great draft scouting effort and picking the best players, as opposed to trading away picks to pick Josh Allen when Lamar Jackson could have fell in your lap (see Doug Whaley and Sammy Watkins). Not totally sold on Beane yet. More textbook Bills fan negativity. So here’s the thing - the point about the offense has merit. They do need to score more points and a lot of that has to do with the development of Josh Allen. I think they are living with his limitations given the promise of his potential. The whole thing about the schedule rings kind of hollow to me. The Bills have had similar schedules in the past (as have other teams) and they managed to find a way to lose games they should have won. Give credit to McDermott for getting his team ready to win. Your whole argument about Beane not drafting Lamar is silly, considering that just about every other NFL team passed on him in Round 1 - including Baltimore. The thinking was that he wouldn’t fit a conventional NFL offense - which he probably doesn’t. I think this is where you have to give Baltimore credit - they thought outside of the box and revamped their offense to fit Lamar. And Lamar got better - he really wasn’t that great last season. Also, like Mahomes, I think it’s far-fetched to think he could replicate the success in had this season. The again negative fans love to revise history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: That's silly. The standard should be championship. Yeah well that has NOT been the case here prior to McDermott where the hell have YOU been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Wait a second. I think we'd all like to think it remains "Championship Caliber" next regular season, but don't I remember him doing this in 2017 too? Then it goes back to "Playoff Caliber" the next year. ? Each season is a new group of players. You start back at basics. You prove throughout the season that you’re able to make the playoffs. Once you do that, then you prove you can win a championship. ?Process is process for the entire process and then once that process is processed you start to process a new process. ? Edited December 31, 2019 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 IMO there has been a decided drop in intensity and focus since they got to 9 wins and basically assured themselves a playoff berth. They haven't played well in a month. Hoping they re-focus. They did in Jacksonville a couple years ago........that was probably as well as they COULD play in a game............ but then they hadn't been on cruise control/playing not-to-lose for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Come on....signs? They replaced the pool table 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO there has been a decided drop in intensity and focus since they got to 9 wins and basically assured themselves a playoff berth. They haven't played well in a month. Hoping they re-focus. They did in Jacksonville a couple years ago........that was probably as well as they COULD play in a game............ but then they hadn't been on cruise control/playing not-to-lose for a month. They played Dallas fine and this was the tough part of our schedule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Interesting because the way that players talk about Marv made it sound like He was George S. Patton and that they would go to battle for him. I do agree that he was outcoached in every Super Bowl Players loved him because he let them do what they wanted away from the team. He did treat them like men. And they loved him for it. I think what he said was that he wasn't responsible for getting them "up" for the game. McDermott knows that his job is to find a way to get him men to love him AND get them up for the game. This Championship Caliber stuff is one example of McDermott doing that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: What does he change it to after the Bills win the Super Bowl? repeat caliber? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Rodgers has 10 passing TD since Halloween. Then Packers squeaked by the Lions and the Redskins down the stretch. The Ravens would annihilate the Rodgers and the Packers right now. It would be LSU-Oklahoma. Jackson would unscrew his arm, beat Rodgers about the head and neck with it and then re-attatch it to shake the old boys hand. Did the Ravens annihilate Buffalo? With that in mind do you honestly think the Bills are that much better then the Packers? Speaking of arm do you realize the Ravens have a run 1st O and Lamar Jackson has one of the lowest pass attempts in the league? Again Mike Vick Ii and the league will learn how to stop him If injury doesn't stop him 1st IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Wait a second. I think we'd all like to think it remains "Championship Caliber" next regular season, but don't I remember him doing this in 2017 too? Then it goes back to "Playoff Caliber" the next year. ? Playoff Caliber is solid. I like it. Championship Caliber is a bit much, to be honest. Playoff Caliber team should be achievable almost every year. Championships are not, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Come on....signs? True. A saying that's used for a sham documentary series so that illegal videotaping can occur would be a much better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Figster said: Did the Ravens annihilate Buffalo? With that in mind do you honestly think the Bills are that much better then the Packers? Speaking of arm do you realize the Ravens have a run 1st O and Lamar Jackson has one of the lowest pass attempts in the league? Again Mike Vick Ii and the league will learn how to stop him If injury doesn't stop him 1st IMO. What is the point of this thread? Yes, with the fewest attempts, Jackson has the most passing TDs in the league, making his game the most efficient in the league. No one has figured him out yet. He's nothing like Mike Vick--a terrible passer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: More textbook Bills fan negativity. So here’s the thing - the point about the offense has merit. They do need to score more points and a lot of that has to do with the development of Josh Allen. I think they are living with his limitations given the promise of his potential. The whole thing about the schedule rings kind of hollow to me. The Bills have had similar schedules in the past (as have other teams) and they managed to find a way to lose games they should have won. Give credit to McDermott for getting his team ready to win. Your whole argument about Beane not drafting Lamar is silly, considering that just about every other NFL team passed on him in Round 1 - including Baltimore. The thinking was that he wouldn’t fit a conventional NFL offense - which he probably doesn’t. I think this is where you have to give Baltimore credit - they thought outside of the box and revamped their offense to fit Lamar. And Lamar got better - he really wasn’t that great last season. Also, like Mahomes, I think it’s far-fetched to think he could replicate the success in had this season. The again negative fans love to revise history Nothing far fetched about Mahomes success. Lamar has to prove it over time. Lets not be negative about their success. Jackson and Mahomes have first round byes and both will own MVP trophies after this season. Most good coaches will customize the offense to fit the QB...to a degree. Lamar has gone from average to MVP with 3 games where he has thrown 5 td's. Nothing hollow about the schedule issue, we played a pathetic NFC East, the worst division in football in years... I'm ok with that. To your point the Bills are winning games that they would lose in other years so Mc Dermott deserves credit especially managing games where Allen isn't at his best.. To the original point of going from playoff caliber to championship caliber the Bills will need more from Allen. Keep in mind most QB's need 3 years to develop and I think Allen is one of those QB's and he will need to improve in the areas discussed. No problem giving credit where credit is due and with a 10-6 record there is a lot to credit but you have to remain objective about how to get better. Nothing negative but not looking away from the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: What is the point of this thread? Yes, with the fewest attempts, Jackson has the most passing TDs in the league, making his game the most efficient in the league. No one has figured him out yet. He's nothing like Mike Vick--a terrible passer Allen has the most rushing TD's in the league from the QB position so go figure. If nobody figured Jackson out yet what happened vs Buffalo? It hard to argue with 36 TD's, so you got me there... Edited December 31, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: What does he change it to after the Bills win the Super Bowl? Cheatriots Caliber Edited December 31, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO there has been a decided drop in intensity and focus since they got to 9 wins and basically assured themselves a playoff berth. They haven't played well in a month. Hoping they re-focus. They did in Jacksonville a couple years ago........that was probably as well as they COULD play in a game............ but then they hadn't been on cruise control/playing not-to-lose for a month. “They haven’t played well in a month? That’s total pessimistic Bills fan BS...and we all know this. Look at their opponents. Outside of the Jets, you have 3 of the top 5 defenses. The offenses struggled to score points in all 3 games - largely because their QB has struggled against these types of defenses. Still the struggles on offense have been well documented, how has it been any worse this month? Still even with the offense struggling, the defense played well enough to keep the team within 1 play of winning the game in the 4th quarter. Allen and the offense didn’t get it done. So yeah...your statement. Total garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, VADC Bills said: Nothing far fetched about Mahomes success. Lamar has to prove it over time. Lets not be negative about their success. Jackson and Mahomes have first round byes and both will own MVP trophies after this season. Most good coaches will customize the offense to fit the QB...to a degree. Lamar has gone from average to MVP with 3 games where he has thrown 5 td's. Nothing hollow about the schedule issue, we played a pathetic NFC East, the worst division in football in years... I'm ok with that. To your point the Bills are winning games that they would lose in other years so Mc Dermott deserves credit especially managing games where Allen isn't at his best.. To the original point of going from playoff caliber to championship caliber the Bills will need more from Allen. Keep in mind most QB's need 3 years to develop and I think Allen is one of those QB's and he will need to improve in the areas discussed. No problem giving credit where credit is due and with a 10-6 record there is a lot to credit but you have to remain objective about how to get better. Nothing negative but not looking away from the facts. A lot of Mahomes success has to do with the situation he entered into. He would not have that in Buffalo. Your original post implied that he could step into Buffalo and do what he’s done in KC. That’s probably not the case when you consider the circumstances in Buffalo which have been talked to death. Also with Jackson, very few teams weren’t willing to do what Baltimore has done and change their offense. If they were open to that, Lamar probably gets picked a lot sooner. In fact if Baltimore didn’t draft him, how far does he drop? To go back and use hindsight just seems so pointless because you can always identify moves that should have or shouldn’t have been made without considering context. Thats like saying “The Bills never should have passed on Tom Brady 6 times in the 2000 draft.” Come on! But Im in agreement about Allen. He does need to get better. In fact, it annoys me to see so many people want to blame Daboll or the defense. The fact (there’s that word again) is that he hasn’t been able to generate enough points to beat teams like NE or Baltimore. Edited December 31, 2019 by Phil The Thrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: “They haven’t played well in a month? That’s total pessimistic Bills fan BS...and we all know this. Look at their opponents. Outside of the Jets, you have 3 of the top 5 defenses. The offenses struggled to score points in all 3 games - largely because their QB has struggled against these types of defenses. Still the struggles on offense have been well documented, how has it been any worse this month? Still even with the offense struggling, the defense played well enough to keep the team within 1 play of winning the game in the 4th quarter. Allen and the offense didn’t get it done. So yeah...your statement. Total garbage They averaged a woeful 14 points per game in December. Did not exceed 17 in any of the 4 games. Yeah they played some good defenses. But then they also got embarrassed defensively by their chief rival........who was otherwise struggling offensively. Only win was a nail biter against a random undrafted rookie QB who threw an anemic 5 TD and 8 INT on the season. Yes, it's fair to say they didn't play well in the last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: IMO there has been a decided drop in intensity and focus since they got to 9 wins and basically assured themselves a playoff berth. They haven't played well in a month. Hoping they re-focus. They did in Jacksonville a couple years ago........that was probably as well as they COULD play in a game............ but then they hadn't been on cruise control/playing not-to-lose for a month. to be fair we played 3 of the best defenses in football in a row, 2 away from home. had our offense been able to score more than 17 points per game we go 3-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They averaged a woeful 14 points per game in December. Did not exceed 17 in any of the 4 games. Yeah they played some good defenses. But then they also got embarrassed defensively by their chief rival........who was otherwise struggling offensively. Only win was a nail biter against a random undrafted rookie QB who threw an anemic 5 TD and 8 INT on the season. Yes, it's fair to say they didn't play well in the last month. They gave up 24 points and you call that getting embarrassed? Maybe you are counting yardage or style points....that makes a lot of sense. Please. They didn’t play their best game “defensively,” but again I don’t call allowing 24 points getting embarrassed. That’s where the garbage comes in. Same situation against Baltimore, they didn’t win, but I don’t think you can say that “they didn’t play well.” They lost to a better team and still had a chance to win at the end. They scored enough points to win against Pittsburgh and the plan was to play conservatively and it worked. Oh and by the way it was against the #1 defense in takeaways, in their house, in a prime time game that the team rarely loses. But I guess they “didn’t play well” So your point is again debunked. They lost by one score to 1 Super Bowl contender and 1 defending Super Bowl champion. They didn’t play well enough to win but your statement is a gross exaggeration 9 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: to be fair we played 3 of the best defenses in football in a row, 2 away from home. had our offense been able to score more than 17 points per game we go 3-0 But I guess “they haven’t played well” for a month. Thank you for actually making sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: to be fair we played 3 of the best defenses in football in a row, 2 away from home. had our offense been able to score more than 17 points per game we go 3-0 If Pittsburgh had even an average backup QB do they go 0-3? History is not going to be kind to Duck Hodges.......he threw an anemic 5 TD's in 7 starts. Reminiscent of when the Bills were pushed to the brink by forgotten Dolphins scrub David Fales in the finale of 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: History is not going to be kind to Duck Hodges..... Care to send a note to PFF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I dare say - fairly Belichickian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, dayman said: Playoff Caliber is solid. I like it. Championship Caliber is a bit much, to be honest. Playoff Caliber team should be achievable almost every year. Championships are not, obviously. Once you’ve achieved the goal of playoff caliber - ie gaining entry into the tournament- you need a new goal. The other 11 teams have earned the right to be there too. Your opponent is playoff caliber ; Your team is now competing for a championship. So championship caliber is what it has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Figster said: Allen has the most rushing TD's in the league from the QB position so go figure. If nobody figured Jackson out yet what happened vs Buffalo? It hard to argue with 36 TD's, so you got me there... He threw 3 more TDs and beat the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He threw 3 more TDs and beat the Bills. Touche' Mr WEO Great athlete, of that there is no doubt. Can Jackson keep it going through the playoffs? I guess we're about to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: If Pittsburgh had even an average backup QB do they go 0-3? History is not going to be kind to Duck Hodges.......he threw an anemic 5 TD's in 7 starts. Reminiscent of when the Bills were pushed to the brink by forgotten Dolphins scrub David Fales in the finale of 2017. Again... this is the type of mentality in fans that drives me nuts. It’s time to block this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Come on....signs? Yes.....signs. And next year, they're going to get "Yes, sir" wrist bands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrock123 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward? Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 certainly the franchise is serious bear in mind that a key strategy is Brady retiring and the Pats going down the tubes, so 7-9 could win the AFC East for a few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, mattrock123 said: ...Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, row_33 said: certainly the franchise is serious bear in mind that a key strategy is Brady retiring and the Pats going down the tubes, so 7-9 could win the AFC East for a few years 7-9 winning the division? What is your rationale on that take? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, billsfan_34 said: 7-9 winning the division? What is your rationale on that take? when Brady retires the Pats will crater, the Jets and Fish stink so 7 wins would be enough to win the division and you can load manage an 11 win team down to 7 wins under that structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Really dumb take op. Are we not improving? Doesn’t it take time to get there? The best season we’ve had in decades and you write this? 4 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Please stop posting. you are wasting everyone’s energy. Edited January 2, 2020 by nedboy7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Southern Bills Fan said: Really dumb take op. Are we not improving? Doesn’t it take time to get there? The best season we’ve had in decades and you write this? to jump from playoff achieving to serious title contender will have to require some heartless moves at just the right time dumping McD and bringing in a coach who has "been there" might be one of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 They’re in the playoffs. Boom championship caliber. They now have a chance to win the championship. Lots of teams do not. Does anyone see a reason barring key injuries why this team isn’t going to be in the hunt for the playoffs in the next few years? Young, talented, and not close to hitting full potential yet, that would be the definition of championship caliber to me. Are they going to be favorites to make it? Probably not unless they make a serious run the next few weeks. Who cares though? Enjoy the ride. We may be the sexy pick next year because nobody expects us to get worse we should only get better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: when Brady retires the Pats will crater, the Jets and Fish stink so 7 wins would be enough to win the division and you can load manage an 11 win team down to 7 wins under that structure I think the Fins have a ton in the bank to load up quickly. The Jets aren’t as bad as their record indicates. 7-9 is a very bold prediction imo. Lets revisit this next year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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