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Anyone watching? 

 

 

Rodgers just missed a TD on a throw similar to Allen's miss to Knox at the end of the game. 

 

Then he throws a little bit high and Adams dropped it. On the same play it looked like he could have had someone beyond the sticks. 

 

 

I wonder if packer fans are calling him a bust for missing a few throws and plays or is that just bills fans? 

 

 

Dumb thread I know, it just drives me nuts how people expect Allen to be perfect. Of course you want him to be perfect and he needs to get better to be in the same sentence as someone like Rodgers, but let's also give the kid a break once in a while. 

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2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was going to post the same thoughts. And now an INT. Yet zero criticism from the announcers. If this were Allen, we'd be hearing all about his fatal flaws.

 

Rodgers is definitely a player in decline.

He has like 3 picks on the season and is surrounded by scrubs.. Adams is great but all those other guys have some talent but surely aren’t starters on almost any other team. Jimmy graham is like the walking dead out there. Oh and they have a new coach and new offense this year, and FINALLY. A run game. Maybe he’s not the best quarterback in the league but I haven’t seen any decline in his game. 

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I had some very similar thoughts as the OP.  

 

Every QB misses WRs, gets sacked, throws ints & fumbles.  It's just that every time a Bills QB does it people overreact.  Jim Kelly didn't get into a Super Bowl until his 7th pro season and 5th NFL season.  Years ago teams didn't play QBs for years until they felt they were "ready".  21st century fans want their players to be popped into a microwave and be complete in minutes.  Sometimes a QB has to be slow cooked to get the best results.  Some fans need to have some patience.  

6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I’m confused if they played last night, why are they playing again tonight?

Nobody watched the game last night because NBC messed up & televised KC @ Chicago, so they are making GB & Min play the game over. 

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12 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was going to post the same thoughts. And now an INT. Yet zero criticism from the announcers. If this were Allen, we'd be hearing all about his fatal flaws.

 

Rodgers is definitely a player in decline.

Announcers are hesitant to talk negative about HOF QB's in decline.  Plus, this is the worst MNF crew of all time and that includes Dennis Miller.

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19 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

Anyone watching? 

 

 

Rodgers just missed a TD on a throw similar to Allen's miss to Knox at the end of the game. 

 

Then he throws a little bit high and Adams dropped it. On the same play it looked like he could have had someone beyond the sticks. 

 

 

I wonder if packer fans are calling him a bust for missing a few throws and plays or is that just bills fans? 

 

 

Dumb thread I know, it just drives me nuts how people expect Allen to be perfect. Of course you want him to be perfect and he needs to get better to be in the same sentence as someone like Rodgers, but let's also give the kid a break once in a while. 

You are a 100% correct. Every QB misses throws. Rodgers makes some poor decisions still. 

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13 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He has like 3 picks on the season and is surrounded by scrubs.. Adams is great but all those other guys have some talent but surely aren’t starters on almost any other team. Jimmy graham is like the walking dead out there. Oh and they have a new coach and new offense this year, and FINALLY. A run game. Maybe he’s not the best quarterback in the league but I haven’t seen any decline in his game. 

I will take him.

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11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I had some very similar thoughts as the OP.  

 

Every QB misses WRs, gets sacked, throws ints & fumbles.  It's just that every time a Bills QB does it people overreact.  Jim Kelly didn't get into a Super Bowl until his 7th pro season and 5th NFL season.  Years ago teams didn't play QBs for years until they felt they were "ready".  21st century fans want their players to be popped into a microwave and be complete in minutes.  Sometimes a QB has to be slow cooked to get the best results.  Some fans need to have some patience.  

On the flip side, how many quarterbacks similar to Allen’s situation in the last 20 years have found long term success? Top 10 pick, very raw, inconsistent. Not flaming him or saying he won’t be the guy later but I would expect his game to be ripped apart. Similar to how baker and Darnold have been. The ravens vs browns game the other day I think it was Romo who was really picking apart bakers flaws and bad throws and decisions. Rodgers has earned respect all across the media and the league because look at the plays he’s made. Clutch throws with the game on the line, not just the Hail Marys, playoff games he took over. 
If you want the Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, Jackson kind of treatment when people talk you got to prove yourself first and accomplish things similar to what they have. Allen has had chances and hasn’t capitalized yet. He hasn’t taken over a big game and really put his stamp on the league yet. Playoffs are here, he can create his own legend. If he doesn’t and the offense sucks in the playoffs he has a whole offseason to work on his game, and work with his guys. There will be guys on here crying to draft a quarterback round one and stuff but Allen ain’t going nowhere. 

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24 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

Anyone watching? 

 

 

Rodgers just missed a TD on a throw similar to Allen's miss to Knox at the end of the game. 

 

Then he throws a little bit high and Adams dropped it. On the same play it looked like he could have had someone beyond the sticks. 

 

 

I wonder if packer fans are calling him a bust for missing a few throws and plays or is that just bills fans? 

 

 

Dumb thread I know, it just drives me nuts how people expect Allen to be perfect. Of course you want him to be perfect and he needs to get better to be in the same sentence as someone like Rodgers, but let's also give the kid a break once in a while. 

Came here to post this ^ . Glad someone beat me to it. Allen is the real deal the haters need to stop or just go away. The kid is not inaccurate and he will be great! I rarely speak in definitives but this one I am sure about.

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9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Announcers are hesitant to talk negative about HOF QB's in decline.  Plus, this is the worst MNF crew of all time and that includes Dennis Miller.

I'm in probably the 0.001% who enjoyed Miller...it was like listening to a guy on mushrooms on National TV.....

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7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Announcers are hesitant to talk negative about HOF QB's in decline.  Plus, this is the worst MNF crew of all time and that includes Dennis Miller.

The announcing is awful, but Dennis Miller is and will forever be the WOAT.

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27 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was going to post the same thoughts. And now an INT. Yet zero criticism from the announcers. If this were Allen, we'd be hearing all about his fatal flaws.

 

Rodgers is definitely a player in decline.

 

 

During the bucs game Winston missed pretty badly on three straight plays. The comments by the announcers were, he hasn't had time to gel with the receivers, the receivers aren't ready for the big stage, and how his thumb is bothering him. 

 

For everyone else there's a reason they aren't performing, for Allen it's because he's inaccurate. I shouldn't care, but it does annoy me. 

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During the bucs game Winston missed pretty badly on three straight plays. The comments by the announcers were, he hasn't had time to gel with the receivers, the receivers aren't ready for the big stage, and how his thumb is bothering him. 

 

For everyone else there's a reason they aren't performing, for Allen it's because he's inaccurate. I shouldn't care, but it does annoy me. 

Winston was coming off back to back 400 yard games and lost Evans and Godwin and was throwing to practice squad guys just called up. I don’t like him, or think he’s a good quarterback. They have no run game and play from behind of course he’ll have stats throwing 50+ times a game. And I didn’t listen to the game. But I can see why they cut him slack. 
Baker was the golden boy last year, most touchdowns by a rookie blah blah blah and this year he’s bad and they call him out in it. 
Dak Prescott was the MVP the first few games and he’s been ripped for weeks for being inaccurate.
Goff gets ripped for all those weapons and not making good decisions with the ball. 
Wentz gets a lot of hate too.
 

It’s not the world VS Allen. 
Seriously take the buffalo bills glasses off. 

He has flaws in his game, people are paid to call them out. It’s not like the talking heads just bash him, he has all the talent in the world and it’s recognized. Just as he has a lot of work to do is recognized. 

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20 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

On the flip side, how many quarterbacks similar to Allen’s situation in the last 20 years have found long term success? Top 10 pick, very raw, inconsistent. Not flaming him or saying he won’t be the guy later but I would expect his game to be ripped apart. Similar to how baker and Darnold have been. The ravens vs browns game the other day I think it was Romo who was really picking apart bakers flaws and bad throws and decisions. Rodgers has earned respect all across the media and the league because look at the plays he’s made. Clutch throws with the game on the line, not just the Hail Marys, playoff games he took over. 
If you want the Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, Jackson kind of treatment when people talk you got to prove yourself first and accomplish things similar to what they have. Allen has had chances and hasn’t capitalized yet. He hasn’t taken over a big game and really put his stamp on the league yet. Playoffs are here, he can create his own legend. If he doesn’t and the offense sucks in the playoffs he has a whole offseason to work on his game, and work with his guys. There will be guys on here crying to draft a quarterback round one and stuff but Allen ain’t going nowhere. 

Of the guys you mentioned only Mahomes & Jackson have been instant successes.  Brady was a game manager his 2nd season after being 4th string as a rookie.  Rodgers didn't start a game until his 4th season, spending the 1st 3 seasons in mop up time in a handful of games.  Brees was so mediocre after 3 seasons that after his 3rd season, where the Chargers were the worst team in the league,  they drafted Eli Manning #1 & packaged him for the QB they envisioned as Brees replacement, Rivers.  

 

A lot of QBs need time to develop & aren't thought of as future HOFers after their 2nd seasons.  Brees & Rodgers were question marks going into their 4th seasons.  Anyone getting on Josh Allen's case after 2 seasons needs to back off and not want to throw away a QB with huge potential, who contrary to your opinion has taken over several games in the 4th quarter.  Those games may not have been big enough for you but if you give him time the big games will come.  

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Some 2BD posters noted that Allen played a poor first half until the last 2 minutes when he led the Bills on a game tying TD.  A lot of us pointed out that late in the season against good D's QB's often struggle for a half or more.  Well tonight we have a nice example of this with 2 of the best QB's in the NFL:

 

Rogers = 18/30 for 156 yards; 0 TD's & 1 INT;  QB rating of 60

 

Cousins = 4/12 for 40 yards; 1 TD & 0 INT;  QB rating of 71.

 

And Cousins can thank his D for the TD or his rating would be a 30!  The Vikings have only gained TWO 1st downs the entire half. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said:

Did everyone see that terribly inaccurate throw from Aaron that should have been a TD?

 

But, but, but only Allen is inaccurate!

 

 

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Our Offense is conservative and the struggle to score points and/or stay on the field is real.  Those are the reasons why a missed Allen pass is analyzed 10x harsher then almost any other QB in the league.  
 

Every game QBs miss throws, but when their offense gets a first down, the QB gets a chance to make a big throw that makes us forget about the miss. 

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7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Some 2BD posters noted that Allen played a poor first half until the last 2 minutes when he led the Bills on a game tying TD.  A lot of us pointed out that late in the season against good D's QB's often struggle for a half or more.  Well tonight we have a nice example of this with 2 of the best QB's in the NFL:

 

Rogers = 18/30 for 156 yards; 0 TD's & 1 INT;  QB rating of 60

 

Cousins = 4/12 for 40 yards; 1 TD & 0 INT;  QB rating of 71.

 

And Cousins can thank his D for the TD or his rating would be a 30!  The Vikings have only gained TWO 1st downs the entire half. 

 

 

 

But, but, but only Allen is inaccurate!

 

 

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I mean, it was a bad throw. But that Booger announcer said the pass was "a little behind" lol

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26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Of the guys you mentioned only Mahomes & Jackson have been instant successes.  Brady was a game manager his 2nd season after being 4th string as a rookie.  Rodgers didn't start a game until his 4th season, spending the 1st 3 seasons in mop up time in a handful of games.  Brees was so mediocre after 3 seasons that after his 3rd season, where the Chargers were the worst team in the league,  they drafted Eli Manning #1 & packaged him for the QB they envisioned as Brees replacement, Rivers.  

 

A lot of QBs need time to develop & aren't thought of as future HOFers after their 2nd seasons.  Brees & Rodgers were question marks going into their 4th seasons.  Anyone getting on Josh Allen's case after 2 seasons needs to back off and not want to throw away a QB with huge potential, who contrary to your opinion has taken over several games in the 4th quarter.  Those games may not have been big enough for you but if you give him time the big games will come.  

It’s got nothing to do with me. It wasn’t about the guys I mentioned other than why they get praise and not criticized for missed throws etc etc . Any quarterback drafted top 10 as a raw project who is inaccurate who had long term success. I’m an Allen fan. But I have an outside perspective. There is no success story in anyone who has faced what Allen is up against. Doesn’t mean I want him to fail or none of that. He has not won big games. That doesn’t make me an enemy or an Allen hater or a bills hater just objective 

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When you're Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, Brady, Phillip Rivers etc. and you miss a throw the first thing you hear from the announcers is "That's a throw he wishes he could have back." When you're a young QB like Josh, they analyze every aspect of the play and tie it into a technique flaw that he had in college.

 

 

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1 hour ago, elroy16 said:

Anyone watching? 

 

 

Rodgers just missed a TD on a throw similar to Allen's miss to Knox at the end of the game. 

 

Then he throws a little bit high and Adams dropped it. On the same play it looked like he could have had someone beyond the sticks. 

 

 

I wonder if packer fans are calling him a bust for missing a few throws and plays or is that just bills fans? 

 

 

Dumb thread I know, it just drives me nuts how people expect Allen to be perfect. Of course you want him to be perfect and he needs to get better to be in the same sentence as someone like Rodgers, but let's also give the kid a break once in a while. 

 

Rodgers sucks. Other than that one Super Bowl and a crapton of other games and accolades, what has he won, exactly?

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2 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Rodgers sucks. Other than that one Super Bowl and a crapton of other games and accolades, what has he won, exactly?

He’s amazing.

 

How many SBs do you think the mighty Brady would have if McCarthy had been his coach all these years?

 

It’s a team game.

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8 minutes ago, DRA3196 said:

If I was a Vikings fan and Cousins was my QB. I would be H.O.T. Not to mention how bad the Vikings o-line is. How do you give up a sack on  3 man rush. Horrible

They sure invested big money in him and have to be disappointed. And teddy is just hanging out in New Orleans biding his time and playing good football on a cheap contract when called upon. 
Now in the offseason they have to lose some really good players because they have no money to spend whatsoever. I think I seen they are already like 2-3 million over the cap for NEXT season. They have to shed some serious salary. Everson Griffin, one of the receivers. They’re in bad shape 

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