Phillips embarasses Brandon Beane

[Codyny13]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He's got 9.5 sacks on the season...among DTs, only Aaron Donald has more (11.0). The next closest is DeForest Buckner with 6.5.

 

Phillips is 26 years old, and is a dangerous pass rusher that also happens to weigh 340 lbs. 

 

My estimated price tag on the open market: $15.5M per year.

I’d like to keep him but not for 15.5. That seems hefty.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He's got 9.5 sacks on the season...among DTs, only Aaron Donald has more (11.0). The next closest is DeForest Buckner with 6.5.

 

Phillips is 26 years old, and is a dangerous pass rusher that also happens to weigh 340 lbs. 

 

My estimated price tag on the open market: $15.5M per year.

 

Can the Bills afford to do it? I mean I know they have the space but sell me a way in which it makes sense long term for their cap management and roster building plan Bandit..... you are always good at this stuff. Maybe a contract that doesn't pay big in 2020 but escalates afterwards as Star becomes releasable?

[Bangarang]

Players balling out in contract years always makes me nervous. I figured his next contract would look something like Star’s but now thats probably not the case. Don’t think I’d be thrilled with $15mil per year.

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Can the Bills afford to do it? I mean I know they have the space but sell me a way in which it makes sense long term for their cap management and roster building plan Bandit..... you are always good at this stuff. Maybe a contract that doesn't pay big in 2020 but escalates afterwards as Star becomes releasable?

 

I'll have to take a look. I'll also have to give some thought to whether I'd rather have Phillips at $15.5M plus Star's dead money hit or the cap space to sign others and a 3rd round comp pick.

[JMF2006]

27 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

Slightly off topic but still Phillips related.  Did anyone catch his PFF position rank during the defensive intro?  It was something like 100th...how the heck is that possible?

 

Did you see Pouncey's rank for Centers?

 

It was something like 36 of 36  or 38 of 38 is that guy really the worst at his position?

9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Players balling out in contract years always makes me nervous. I figured his next contract would look something like Star’s but now thats probably not the case. Don’t think I’d be thrilled with $15mil per year.

 

Remember when the Bills let Ted walk?

 

The run D never recovered.

 

Pay the man and keep up the rotation the big men stay fresh that way..

[RyanC883]

I don't think he gets the money and becomes lazy.  (1) he loves it here, he does not want to let the locker room down; and (2) he played well last year.  This year has been even better.  Finally putting the talent together.  

 

[Rocket94]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Yep , but its impressive we are winning with a lot of no name guys, we are going to be scary when the talent on this team goes up.

 

 

I have been a long time fan and a bit jaded, but I am really impressed with the Bills discipline and team concept. There will be no doubt in 2020.

[whatdrought]

Beane looks like he's about to get his lunch money stolen... 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Remember when the Bills let Ted walk?

 

The run D never recovered.

 

Pay the man and keep up the rotation the big men stay fresh that way..

 

Even worse was Donahoe letting Pat WIlliams walk for what turned out to be less than $1M difference in the contract he signed with the Vikings.

[BuffaloRebound]

If I were Beane, I’d be more comfortable giving him the franchise tag.  Phillips still hasn’t got his big payday.  $14m is a lot better than committing $25-30m guaranteed if you’re not sure he’s gonna stay motivated.  $14m still life changing, ‘never have to work another day in your life’ money.  Sign him long term if he stays motivated after getting $14m.  

You can probably get Lawson for $9-10m per year. He’s been a high profile guy for longer, was the #1 high school recruit... I’d trust giving him long term contract more.  

[MAJBobby]

6 hours ago, Distorted One said:

I love Phillips.  What a reclamation project he's turned out to be.  What a find by Beane and Co.  I think he really like the whole process and culture thing gonig on in B'lo right now.  Seems to have really bought in from the get-go.  You could see it one the field immediately with all his energy and excitement.  That's the kind of energy you can feel through the television screen and it was clear he found a place he liked right away. 

 

How about them sacks?!?!  Someone please do the numbers.  How many sacks in his entire career vs. just this season?  He's having a monster of a year. 

Jordan Phillips MIA - 40 tackles, 5.5 sacks 1 INT in 48 Games

 

Jordan Phillips in Buf - 45 Tackles, 9.5 Sacks, 1 FR in 26 Games

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Oh he’s not angling for that next contract there is he??? Hahahaha Phillips has been an amazing steal for this team. And he’s making millions every single game for the next contract. Not a fan of his emotions getting the better of him at times but he is a helluva player 

What's the "emotions getting the better of him at times" part? 

 

The guy plays hard, plays for his teammates and encourages the fans to be involved. His emotions contribute to the success hes having. Give me guys who give a crap every time. 

 

 

[Jerome007]

Phillips loooooves being here and it shows. And while he is probably sincere, he really does have a benefit here ha ha

[Royale with Cheese]

11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Gotta know where your bread is buttered

 

Why does everything have to be sexual with you?

[ndirish1978]

11 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Oh he’s not angling for that next contract there is he??? Hahahaha Phillips has been an amazing steal for this team. And he’s making millions every single game for the next contract. Not a fan of his emotions getting the better of him at times but he is a helluva player 

 

The fact that he'd be angling for a new contract makes me happy. I want our good players to stay here and want to stay here, not just stay because we have to overpay them.

[Wayne Arnold]

Great Phillips interview on One Bills Live just a moment ago.

 

Need to keep this guy. 

[Rc2catch]

11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

What's the "emotions getting the better of him at times" part? 

 

The guy plays hard, plays for his teammates and encourages the fans to be involved. His emotions contribute to the success hes having. Give me guys who give a crap every time. 

 

 

He’s picked up some silly penalties celebrating. No need to defend his effort we all know who he is and what he does. Wasn’t a knock on him just not something I was a fan of. 

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why does everything have to be sexual with you?

Hook line and sinker

[TheFunPolice]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

He's got 9.5 sacks on the season...among DTs, only Aaron Donald has more (11.0). The next closest is DeForest Buckner with 6.5.

 

Phillips is 26 years old, and is a dangerous pass rusher that also happens to weigh 340 lbs. 

 

My estimated price tag on the open market: $15.5M per year.

 

 

Pay him! He's worth every penny! 

 

We will have plenty of cap space

Edited December 16, 2019 by TheFunPolice

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He’s picked up some silly penalties celebrating. No need to defend his effort we all know who he is and what he does. Wasn’t a knock on him just not something I was a fan of. 

Fair enough, I wasn't picking. I remember some penalties early last season but this year I can't really think of many. I think last week he took one for a late hit, borderline call but whatever. I think he's played smart this year. 

[GoBills808]

And he asks a valid question-

 

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

Pay him! He's worth every penny! 

 

We will have plenty of cap space

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

[WhoTom]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

And he asks a valid question-

 

 

I've gotta admit, in real time, I thought he jumped too soon. Seeing that replay and freezing it around the 0:15 mark, I realize he timed it perfectly.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Hook line and sinker

 

Is that when the spam comes out?

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

 

Too many moving parts right now to know.

Also got to wait to see which guys pick up their game for the playoffs.

[TheFunPolice]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

 

I think we can time it up...

 

Right now there's 80+ million in space

 

We have Hyde and White for 2 more seasons. When they are up Hughes and Murphy or even Star could be let go.

 

I would rather keep Phillips than Dawkins if we need to invest big $$

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

Add through the draft, pay your guys. No need for splashy FAs. Just keep building the right way. 

[apuszczalowski]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

That could be tough then the 49ers sound like the smexy pick the media wants.

I would have a tough time voting for him this year because I think the jump this year from last year was really as big as it looks because they were going to be a much better team last year before the QB injury at the start of the year derailed their season. If that didn't happen, I think they are less of a surprise then their record is this season. Not that their GM hasn't done a great job so far since he started turning that team around, but just looking at last year to this year, they look much better because the injuries last season ruined their year.

 

The Bills on the other hand have made another big jump and have exceeded expectations so far this season, although just making the playoffs shouldn't be enough to give some one an award for GM of the year.

 

I guess Houston would be out of the running for this award since they have no GM, lol, they could give it to the Browns GM for winning the offseason!

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Is that when the spam comes out?

You're not ready for the spam

[Rc2catch]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

And he asks a valid question-

 

He definitely has a point. But that is gonna cost him. They will fine him for criticizing the refs right or wrong. 

[TheFunPolice]

Add offense via the draft

 

Keep this defense together! 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

 

I don't think they pay Spain and slide Ford to LG.

 

I honestly don't know if they bring back Phillips.  Oliver is the future there.  We have Harrison Phillips coming back.  Star as well.  I want Phillips back but he's going to get a huge contract as a UFA.  Maybe Liguet comes back on a one year?

 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

You're not ready for the spam

 

Doesn't sound like it.

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I think we can time it up...

 

Right now there's 80+ million in space

 

We have Hyde and White for 2 more seasons. When they are up Hughes and Murphy or even Star could be let go.

 

I would rather keep Phillips than Dawkins if we need to invest big $$

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is definitely going to be an interesting offseason. I like Phillips but this staff is pretty successful developing defense. Going to be hard to not invest in established offensive players since they seem to lack development there. 
I have more confidence they can add 2-3 defensive tackles at 1/4 the salary Phillips will get and get similar production between them as opposed to rookie wide receivers or tackles they may not develop at all. 
Either way I don’t think I would be very mad if they retain our own. 

[Warcodered]

21 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He definitely has a point. But that is gonna cost him. They will fine him for criticizing the refs right or wrong. 

I don't know he phrased it pretty well saying what's been called on him showing a clip and just asking a question. Also I thought the thing he's been getting called on was getting too aggressive and lining up in the neutral zone.

[DrDawkinstein]

39 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

 

We have the cap space to pay all of them.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I don't know he phrased it pretty well saying what's been called on him showing a clip and just asking a question. Also I thought the thing he's been getting called on was getting too aggressive and lining up in the neutral zone.

I like that he’s bringing attention to it. I would like to see more players and coaches take the fine and call out these refs. I do expect a fine though, the league expects everyone to stay hushed and not criticize or point out bad officiating especially on social media. With the Pats coming up in a monster game we already know the storm that’s coming from the officials. And we already know Hughes needs to bring a few jerseys to the game after the left tackle rips them to shreds holding. If it’s a badly officiated game again like Baltimore I would like to see buffalo take a stance against the officiating they have been getting. Granted I do feel the refs made it up to buffalo in the raven game cause there was atrocious calls on both teams. 

[DrDawkinstein]

43 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

For a year...then Milano, Poyer, and Dawkins are FAs after 2020.

 

And Hyde and White are up after 2021.

 

They also need to add a pass rusher, corner, and WR this offseason.

 

Can't pat everyone...so who goes?

 

@Virgil was kind enough to do the leg work that the rest of us didnt want to do.

 

 

Long story short: We can re-sign and extend all our guys and STILL have over $30M in cap space for new, outside FAs.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

@Virgil was kind enough to do the leg work that the rest of us didnt want to do.

 

 

Long story short: We can re-sign and extend all our guys and STILL have over $30M in cap space for new, outside FAs.

 

A few things here:

 

The numbers for Phillips and KJ are pretty extreme hometown discounts; I will be very surprised if those are the numbers.

 

The analysis doesn't account for future cap numbers for Tre, Poyer, Dawkins, and Milano. That's probably close to $50M alone.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

A few things here:

 

The numbers for Phillips and KJ are pretty extreme hometown discounts; I will be very surprised if those are the numbers.

 

The analysis doesn't account for future cap numbers for Tre, Poyer, Dawkins, and Milano. That's probably close to $50M alone.

 

Fair enough, but given his analysis leaves us with $42.2M in cap I'm still low with the statement that we'll have $30M left over.

 

Add another $4M to Philips (from $11M to $15M), and Virgil's number is still $38.2M in cap space.

 

Dawkins and Milano are accounted for in that breakdown. Tre is not, and I think Beane will be prepping us to let both Poyer and Hyde walk after their contracts are up.

 

Either way, the point stands, we have plenty of money to sign any and every one of our own players if we want. And still have money left over for outside guys.

[section122]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'll have to take a look. I'll also have to give some thought to whether I'd rather have Phillips at $15.5M plus Star's dead money hit or the cap space to sign others and a 3rd round comp pick.

 

I'm on record as saying he is my favorite player on the team so this is not an unbiased post but....

 

The Bills have so much cap space going into next year.  I think they can keep Star, Murphy, etc for another year and still do what they want.  There is no reason to create holes and swallow dead money when they have so much flexibility.  Star and Murphy can play next year then the dead space for star drops considerably while Murphy's contract is off the books.  I think they should only look at cutting players when they have cap troubles.  I don't see a reason to create a hole just to need to pay someone else to fill it.

 

For example Star's contract pays him 10.1 million next year which I agree is a lot.  Dead money is 7.8 million.  Can you find a better player for 2.3 million?  I don't think so.  Also cutting someone means signing someone which cuts into the comp formula.  I think this year they won't be quite as active but still doing some fa signing.  Comp picks are a year away still imo.

 

Sign Philips to 15.5 if that is what it takes, keep Star and Murphy, sign shaq to 9 million and you still have 65 million dollars to work with.  Draft a pass rusher to replace Murphy and Hughes after next year.  Just spit balling but I hate the idea of cutting guys for minimal savings when they don't need the money