davefan66 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Is he subject to the waiver wire, or an immediate Free Agent? If on waivers, he’ll be picked up before us or the pasties can get to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Have to bring him in for a tryout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 hours ago, LB48 said: Let's keep what we have Let's keep the fifth-worst kicker in the league... Great idea! 8 hours ago, StHustle said: Im pretty sure they did that to boost his confidence and get him over the mental hurdle. It didn't work. If Beane is throwing money at players to boost their confidence, that is all kinds of screwed up. The problem is I believe that's exactly what happened. 9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: When you can't even get a 53 yarder to the goal post, you're worthless as far as I'm concerned. I would replace Haush in a second. He is going to cost us dearly one of these times. He already has. With a better kicker, we would be 10-2 and control our destiny for the #1 seed in the AFC 10 hours ago, Warcodered said: He's losing his consistency but he is not one of the worst kickers in the league we've seen a lot worse. He actually is one of the very worst kickers in the league. Stats don't lie for kickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 If he goes unsigned just bring him back to the ps. If Hauschka remains bad, you already have the replacement in house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 He must be injured to have a drop off like that. I think Chase will be claimed before it gets to the Bills or Pats**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I was impressed with the kid in preseason. Would be worth kicking the tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 sign him and roster 2 kickers until something is definative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrDare said: sign him and roster 2 kickers until something is definative Practice squad, maybe. Who are you cutting on 53? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, H2o said: We should save that for "Should Josh Allen be Benched?" and "Is Ed Oliver a Bust?". Kickers aren't worthy of polls. Lol easy to say until a 'wide right' situation happens.? Edited December 4, 2019 by MrSarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: If Beane is throwing money at players to boost their confidence, that is all kinds of screwed up. Meh. Thats a move you would only do for a kicker. So when you say "throwing money at players" I feel its an isolated event and not the beginning of some trend we have to worry about. It could have worked but so far it hasn't. I would immediately bring in Chase because he is the best option out there. If we let another team grab him up and decide to make a move a few weeks down the line after finally being convinced the change should be made, it'll be slim pickings and possibly no better option out there. Playoff games too often come down to field goals and I DREAD that being our downfall after a great season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 @Dopey You care to share why you are skeptical? Stephen Hauschka did NOTHING to earn an extension. Nothing else makes sense on why they wouldn't wait to extend him. They clearly didnt want that hanging over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, StHustle said: @Dopey You care to share why you are skeptical? Stephen Hauschka did NOTHING to earn an extension. Nothing else makes sense on why they wouldn't wait to extend him. They clearly didnt want that hanging over his head. Sure, I trust this staff isn't dumb enough to give someone money just to boost his confidence. This is a cut throat league. You get paid for production. His 1st year here, he was money(% 88). Last year, the same, til the injury off of a cheap shot. He still kicked at a %78 clip last year with the injury. He was going to be an URFA after this year. Locking up a good kicker at $2 million a year is a good deal. Since the debacle vs. the Browns, he's rebounded to 7/8 in FG attempts. We'll see how the resat of the season plays out. Back to your question: I think it's ridiculous to think Beane is going to pay someone $2 million a year to make him feel better about himself. That's how you get fired. The goal was to keep a good kicker in the fold at a decent contract, not to boost his confidence. Hindsight aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 15 hours ago, HOUSE said: Should get a big contract too Yup, no trade clause too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dopey said: Sure, I trust this staff isn't dumb enough to give someone money just to boost his confidence. This is a cut throat league. You get paid for production. His 1st year here, he was money(% 88). Last year, the same, til the injury off of a cheap shot. He still kicked at a %78 clip last year with the injury. He was going to be an URFA after this year. Locking up a good kicker at $2 million a year is a good deal. Since the debacle vs. the Browns, he's rebounded to 7/8 in FG attempts. We'll see how the resat of the season plays out. Back to your question: I think it's ridiculous to think Beane is going to pay someone $2 million a year to make him feel better about himself. That's how you get fired. The goal was to keep a good kicker in the fold at a decent contract, not to boost his confidence. Hindsight aside. What you are saying would make sense if they didn't extend him after one of the worst stretches of his career. They could have EASILY waited to see if he got back on track first and extended him midway through the season. Im not saying they ONLY did it as a confidence boost because they also believed in him. The TIMING of it all was PURELY so it was one less thing the kicker would have to think about. FACT: Getting an extension makes most players feel more secure. FACT: Most humans are less tense when they feel secure. It lessens anxiety. For most players, you invite that insecurity to get them to step their game up. That philosophy isn't a good idea for a kicker for obvious reasons. You sit here and speak as if what Im saying makes no sense. To want your kicker to have one less thing to worry about isnt "dumb" as you call it. Now if they didn't quite believe in him and still made the move then you have a point. I think they did indeed believe in him and felt the early extension may even improve his play even more. So far they were wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, StHustle said: What you are saying would make sense if they didn't extend him after one of the worst stretches of his career. They could have EASILY waited to see if he got back on track first and extended him midway through the season. Im not saying they ONLY did it as a confidence boost because they also believed in him. The TIMING of it all was PURELY so it was one less thing the kicker would have to think about. FACT: Getting an extension makes most players feel more secure. FACT: Most humans are less tense when they feel secure. It lessens anxiety. For most players, you invite that insecurity to get them to step their game up. That philosophy isn't a good idea for a kicker for obvious reasons. You sit here and speak as if what Im saying makes no sense. To want your kicker to have one less thing to worry about isnt "dumb" as you call it. Now if they didn't quite believe in him and still made the move then you have a point. I think they did indeed believe in him and felt the early extension may even improve his play even more. So far they were wrong. I have no problem with us not agreeing on the confidence boost part, but I still believe Beane isn't the type to risk his job over a player's feeling of insecurity. He wanted to lock up a good kicker, expecting a return to pre-injury form. If he waits and Haush is the top kicker in the league right now, Haush asks for more than $2 million or tests FA after this season. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out, but he seems to be coming around over the last few games. Hopefully you didn't take my "dumb" as I was speaking about you. The "dumb" comment was directed at the staff. If that was the reason they did give him the contract extension, that was a dumb move by Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Dopey said: Maybe there's a reason 2 teams dropped him. He is 5/9 from 40-49 and missed a game winning kick himself. From the "Star needs to go" to the "Shaq sucks" to the "Oliver is a bust" to the "Duke must start" etc., etc. on this board, this staff has proven to be right. If they find a better kicker, fine. Chase is not better, he's just a different name. Could be wrong, but I don't see this happening. Yes the reason is he was brought in as an injury fill in on both occasions. Chargers brought him in because Mike Badgley hurt his groin right before week 1, they used their punter in double duty for a few weeks and when Badgley had a setback, they brought McLaughlin in. The Niners then scooped him up when Robbie Gould was injured and released him now that he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 17 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: I would sign him to the practice squad to put pressure on Hauschka while still having another option in house in case he doesn’t turn it around I like this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Dopey said: Sure, I trust this staff isn't dumb enough to give someone money just to boost his confidence. This is a cut throat league. You get paid for production. His 1st year here, he was money(% 88). Last year, the same, til the injury off of a cheap shot. He still kicked at a %78 clip last year with the injury. He was going to be an URFA after this year. Locking up a good kicker at $2 million a year is a good deal. Since the debacle vs. the Browns, he's rebounded to 7/8 in FG attempts. We'll see how the resat of the season plays out. Back to your question: I think it's ridiculous to think Beane is going to pay someone $2 million a year to make him feel better about himself. That's how you get fired. The goal was to keep a good kicker in the fold at a decent contract, not to boost his confidence. Hindsight aside. Not sure where we're getting $2 million from. That's lower than even the base salary of his extension. Original deal was 3 years for 8.85 million. Extension was 2 years for 9 million tacked on. Cap hits were 2.6, 3.0 and 3.25 million on the original deal. 3.25 was ripped up with the extension. New cap hits for 2019-2021 are 5.025, 3.05 and 3.175 million. At the very least he shouldn't make it to the 2020 roster. They can cut him and save 1.8 million which is twice as much as you have to pay a kid to kick at the same 66% clip that he's been at for the last calendar year 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I like this idea. Sounds great but there's a certain Evil Empire that is looking for yet another kicker right now....why would anyone take a practice squad spot when there's a job available on the 53 somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Dopey said: I have no problem with us not agreeing on the confidence boost part, but I still believe Beane isn't the type to risk his job over a player's feeling of insecurity. He wanted to lock up a good kicker, expecting a return to pre-injury form. If he waits and Haush is the top kicker in the league right now, Haush asks for more than $2 million or tests FA after this season. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out, but he seems to be coming around over the last few games. Hopefully you didn't take my "dumb" as I was speaking about you. The "dumb" comment was directed at the staff. If that was the reason they did give him the contract extension, that was a dumb move by Beane. I dont think Beane or anyone else would even remotely consider extending a kicker who doesnt work out as "risking his job" Again, this is only the type of thing you would do with a kicker. In the grand scheme of things it was low risk- high reward. Lastly, I knew what you meant by "dumb" and Thought I referred to it accordingly in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JM57 said: Not sure where we're getting $2 million from. That's lower than even the base salary of his extension. Original deal was 3 years for 8.85 million. Extension was 2 years for 9 million tacked on. Cap hits were 2.6, 3.0 and 3.25 million on the original deal. 3.25 was ripped up with the extension. New cap hits for 2019-2021 are 5.025, 3.05 and 3.175 million. At the very least he shouldn't make it to the 2020 roster. They can cut him and save 1.8 million which is twice as much as you have to pay a kid to kick at the same 66% clip that he's been at for the last calendar year Sounds great but there's a certain Evil Empire that is looking for yet another kicker right now....why would anyone take a practice squad spot when there's a job available on the 53 somewhere If I'm the Bills I tell him we'll extend him in the offseason to compete again in 2020 because if he goes to New England he's likely done after this season. Edited December 4, 2019 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Kiva said: Haoushka is shot. Sign chase now. No more losing games (Browns) because our kicker is a head case. cut Houshka, sign Chase For everyone saying this... WHY would we ever do this? We would take a 6 million dollar dead cap hit if we cut Hauschka right now. That would be an incredibly stupid idea. For 6 million dollars you can get a guy like John Brown or Cole Beasley. Do your research. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/steven-hauschka-5476/ Edited December 4, 2019 by Rigotz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 He's a team captain. Unless he starts missing every kick, he'll be in Buffalo for the rest of the year. His kickoffs are still going through the end-zone almost every time, so his leg does not appear to be shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, mannc said: He's a team captain. Unless he starts missing every kick, he'll be in Buffalo for the rest of the year. His kickoffs are still going through the end-zone almost every time, so his leg does not appear to be shot. His problem is putting the ball between the goalposts which is a far more important part of his job, and one which he is failing to do 1/3 of the time over the last 16 games. 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: For everyone saying this... WHY would we ever do this? We would take a 6 million dollar dead cap hit if we cut Hauschka right now. That would be an incredibly stupid idea. For 6 million dollars you can get a guy like John Brown or Cole Beasley. Do your research. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/steven-hauschka-5476/ I forgot that the Bills are right against the cap and not able to absorb a dead cap hit for someone who cannot capably perform their job. Edited December 4, 2019 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: He's a team captain. Unless he starts missing every kick, he'll be in Buffalo for the rest of the year. His kickoffs are still going through the end-zone almost every time, so his leg does not appear to be shot. I agree he still has a decent leash. 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: For everyone saying this... WHY would we ever do this? We would take a 6 million dollar dead cap hit if we cut Hauschka right now. That would be an incredibly stupid idea. For 6 million dollars you can get a guy like John Brown or Cole Beasley. Do your research. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/steven-hauschka-5476/ You don't keep an underperforming kicker because of a cap hit. That can lose you games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Even the Hooded Genius in Foxboro has been going through kickers like Kleenex. Maybe they're aren't any better options than Hauschka? Edited December 4, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JM57 said: His problem is putting the ball between the goalposts which is a far more important part of his job, and one which he is failing to do 1/3 of the time over the last 16 games. I did not realize that his FG percentage was that low, but some of that time was when it appeared he was injured and it seems like a lot of those misses were from 50 or more. Hauschka's certainly going through a bit of a tough stretch, but kickers are strange creatures. He's battle-tested (both here and in Seattle) and that means a lot when you're playing big games. The fact that he's still kicking the ball through the endzone on kickoffs tells me that he's not injured and his leg isn't "tired". The only way I would get rid of Hauschka this year is if it appeared that he had completely lost his confidence. I don't think we're there, yet. I will agree that's his seat is getting warm, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Even the Hooded Genius in Foxboro has been going through kickers like Kleenex. Maybe they're aren't any better options than Hauschka? That is why McLaughlin bears watching. The Bills did like him pre-season and he knows the snapper and holder if they felt they needed to make a change. The kicker market is thin and lots of kickers seem to be struggling so I couldn't see the Bills cutting bait with Hauschka for just anybody.... but a young kid they like and have history with? Well I could maybe see that. He is safe for now. But he has to start making more kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I agree he still has a decent leash. You don't keep an underperforming kicker because of a cap hit. That can lose you games. You're right. But you change kickers only if you have a better option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr. K said: You're right. But you change kickers only if you have a better option. Agreed. And I don't see any way they are going to take a guy off the street.... but the other guy they had in camp who they liked comes into the equation if Hausch keeps missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Claimed by Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Figured someone was going to claim him. I wish other teams that claimed had to announce it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The Bills put in a claim for him according to RapSheet. Interesting!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: ORLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: ORLY Damn. Wish they got him. Hauschka is shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 That is both interesting and sad. Don’t see any other upgrade available. Why is kicking so bad these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 So will viniateri be cut tomorrow? Don’t want him just curious, he needs to retire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 they gave adam a long enough leash but it's time to hang them up. we have given house money a long leash but man playoff games get tight and i sure don;t want to end up in the bears situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I agree he still has a decent leash. You don't keep an underperforming kicker because of a cap hit. That can lose you games. Like Chase did. He's not any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rigotz said: For everyone saying this... WHY would we ever do this? We would take a 6 million dollar dead cap hit if we cut Hauschka right now. That would be an incredibly stupid idea. For 6 million dollars you can get a guy like John Brown or Cole Beasley. Do your research. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/steven-hauschka-5476/ Would you rather lose another game because of 6 mill? No!! It’s worth the dead cap to cut him loose. Chase should have been signed yesterday. Edited December 5, 2019 by Kiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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