Steelers Browns: who should get suspended and how long?

[MAJBobby]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

I think the circumstances will make it very easy on the NFL to be arbitrary.  We will see I guess.  I'm just saying Garrett has not been the choir boy that is portrayed by him and some reporters.

But has he risen the the level of Suh or Burfict?

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

So you think throwing a pitch high and inside is comparable to what Garrett did? 

 

Is it not?  They actually hit guys too, ya know.

[Blokestradamus]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

But has he risen the the level of Suh or Burfict?

 

I don't think Myles has the pattern of aggression that those guys have had.

 

I also think that his actions last night elevated above those that Suh and Burfict inflicted, as habitually dangerous as they've been.

[colin]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

But has he risen the the level of Suh or Burfict?

 

 

there is room for flex due to the nfl being just so inconsistent on these things, but i get a sense that the general trend is towards harsher penalties for these kind of infractions.

 

someone, and i think garrett, is gonna get a slap bigger than what those guys did after multiple infractions.

[Ya Digg?]

6 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Garrett should get at least 16 games, a lifetime suspension would be just.  He should also face a criminal charge of assault, he could have killed him.  This is McSorley/Bertuzzi country.  

 

I really hope this is you just trying to be funny.....but you missed the mark BIG TIME

[Greybeard]

    Something happened on the ground between Rudolf and Garrett that triggered all this.   What was it?

[dave mcbride]

No one deserves to be suspended on the Steelers. Rudolph was taken hard to the ground well after the pass and with 8 seconds to go. He was angry and trying to pry Garrett off of him and got his hands on his helmet. What happened afterwards is the ONLY thing anyone should be focusing on. As for Pouncey, all Steelers should be excused for their actions after what Garrett and the other Browns player did. It was beyond the pale and ineffingexcusable. That was George Atkinson/Jack Tatum-level stuff after a game of cheap shots by Cleveland. Two years of Gregg Williams, the excusing of the fighting and cheap shots (especially by Garrett) all season by Kitchins, the bringing on of a bad guy like Kareem Hunt, the trade for guys like Landry and ro a lesser extent Beckham, and this is what you get. That is a team that should be 7-3 based on talent, and they are 4-6.
 

The one silver lining is that the rivalry between these two teams is going to be ferocious going forward.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

    Something happened on the ground between Rudolf and Garrett that triggered all this.   What was it?

Reaction to an unbelievably cheap shot by Garrett — he took rudolph hard to the ground well after the pass with 8 freaking seconds to play in a 21-7 game.

Edited November 15, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Putin]

He’s not playing another game this year 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, colin said:

 

 

there is room for flex due to the nfl being just so inconsistent on these things, but i get a sense that the general trend is towards harsher penalties for these kind of infractions.

 

someone, and i think garrett, is gonna get a slap bigger than what those guys did after multiple infractions.

I think he is getting suspended. However I also believe it will be reduced on appeal and not be as bad as some are thinking. Initially said 2 down to 1. Might be 4 down to 2. When do they play Steelers again??  That IMO will be the final week of his suspension when all said and done. 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

No one deserves to be suspended on the Steelers. Rudolph was taken hard to the ground well after the pass and with 8 seconds to go. He was angry and trying to pry Garrett off of him and got his hands on his helmet. What happened afterwards is the ONLY thing anyone should be focusing on. As for Pouncey, all Steelers should be excused for their actions after what Garrett and the other Browns player did. It was beyond the pale and ineffingexcusable. That was George Atkinson/Jack Tatum-level stuff after a game of cheap shots by Cleveland. Two years of Gregg Williams, the excusing of the fighting and cheap shots (especially by Garrett) all season by Kitchins, the bringing on of a bad guy like Kareem Hunt, the trade for guys like Landry and ro a lesser extent Beckham, and this is what you get. That is a team that should be 7-3 based on talent, and they are 4-6.
 

The one silver lining is that the rivalry between these two teams is going to be ferocious going forward.

 

 

 

if you are honestly trying to say that Rudolph got his hand stuck in his helmet and was just trying to get up you're kidding yourself. He kicked him in the junk and was trying to twist and yank his helmet while they were still on the ground.

 

Garrett drug him to the ground a little late but he didn't slam him down like you're saying. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[chaccof]

9 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The NFL is so bizarre and unpredictable with stuff like this.

 

I am going to say four games. It should be the rest of the season. They will screw it up some way. There is zero excuse for it, and it really could have injured Rudolph badly.

 

What say you?

I think the NFL wants to nip this in the bud and it will be for the remainder of the season, including playoffs if there are any for Browns

[Tenhigh]

Garrett, at LEAST the rest of the season

Pouncey 1 game

Rudolph 1 game

Ogunjobe fined

[Gavin in Va Beach]

Stated suspension of 6 games, reduced to 4 on appeal.

[Nuncha]

Pouncey defended his QB and should maybe be fined but not suspended.  

 

Garrett - rest of the season AND beyond.  He better clean up his act otherwise he will end up like Burfict.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Azucho98

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

if you are honestly trying to say that Rudolph got his hand stuck in his helmet and was just trying to get up you're kidding yourself. He kicked him in the junk and was trying to twist and yank his helmet while they were still on the ground.

 

Garrett drug him to the ground a little late but he didn't slam him down like you're saying. 

He was angry after an unbelievably cheap shot, especially GIVEN THE CONTEXT. He took him down WAY too hard given (again) the context. I have watched it about 5 times. There were 8 effing seconds left in the game, and the score was out of reach. Eight. Effing. Seconds.
 

Garrett is a GREAT player, but he is also a straight-up thug. Of course, that’s partly why he is so good. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m watching these shows this morning and am starting to think that it goes into next year. 10 games

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I don't think Myles has the pattern of aggression that those guys have had.

 

I also think that his actions last night elevated above those that Suh and Burfict inflicted, as habitually dangerous as they've been.

I am thinking initially it will look like a long one, but knowing it will be reduced by the independent arbitrator, that way the NFL (Godell) can say that we initially came down hard.

[cle23]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He was angry after an unbelievably cheap shot, especially GIVEN THE CONTEXT. He took him down WAY too hard given (again) the context. There were 8 effing seconds left in the game, and the score was out of reach. Eight. Effing. Seconds.
 

Garrett is a GREAT player, but he is also a straight-up thug. Of course, that’s partly why he is so good. 

 

This is like teams running up the score. If you don't want hit, don't run a play. That is on Tomlin, not Cleveland. The tackle on Rudolph wasn't hard, at all. There was more than enough time on the play clock to run out the game clock.

 

Garrett went way too far with the helmet. Rudolph was just as much at fault up to that point.

Edited November 15, 2019 by cle23

[4merper4mer]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

But has he risen the the level of Suh or Burfict?

I don't think it matters what you think or I think.  The incident itself is probably higher profile that any incident from either.  If not, it is close.

 

I think there is a chance the NFL acts based on the court of public opinion.  Do I think that is consistent or correct?  Probably not.  Do I think it could happen?  Yes.  If it does will I think it is unfair?  Not really.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I know you took some flack on this one, but while I don’t know about “worse”, the Gronkowski hit on Tre was certainly very dangerous.

 

Here's the clip:

 

 

That's one of the most dangerous hits I've ever seen. He could have severely damaged Tre's neck and ended his career. No one seemed to care.

[dave mcbride]

8 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

You tap Brady's helmet and it's 15 yards. 

 

Hit a QB in the head with his own effin' helmet?

 

That piece of ***** should be done for life. Cut tomorrow and never picked up by anyone ever.

He is also flat-out one of the best players in the league. An uncomfortable truth about the NFL that still applies despite all the talk about player safety:

 

 

 

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

As big and strong as he is, that is a potentially lethal blow. Seriously. A season off sounds about right.

16 games. The remainder of the season plus 10 games next year, minimum.

Then, #65 acts like a punk azz and knocks Rudolph down from behind. He should get 2-3 games and a hefty fine too.

 

Yup.  He needs to be made an example of to prevent it from happening and someone actually getting killed on a field.  That would be the end of the NFL.

[Rob's House]

I put a 1 game suspension for Pouncey because no suspension wasn't an option. I have a hard time respecting the opinion of anyone who thinks 3 games is appropriate.

 

Garrett should be done for the season. If he connects cleanly we could be talking about a TBI.

[OutOfBubbleGum]

1 Year.  Hitting another player with the helmet just ripped off their head. lol. What a dumbass.

 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

This is like teams running up the score. If you don't want hit, don't run a play. That us on Tomlin, not Cleveland. The tackle on Rudolph wasn't hard, at all. 

 

Garrett went way too far with the helmet. Rudolph was just as much at fault up to that point.

Teams run harmless short passes like that ALLof the time at the end of games, and that sort of mayhem never happens. Keep excusing it though. Blaming Tomlin is certainly a novel concept, though.

[Lurker]

Never seen anything like that in all my years of watching NFL football.      Garrett should get at LEAST the rest of this year and the first game of next year.   Maybe more.

 

If players can be banned for hitting a woman or other despicable off-field behavior, this to me is just as bad.      The NFLPA has to support tough justice on this as well... 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the clip:

 

 

That's one of the most dangerous hits I've ever seen. He could have severely damaged Tre's neck and ended his career. No one seemed to care.

 

Brown really needed to take matters into his own hanew there.

[SirAndrew]

11 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

This is like teams running up the score. If you don't want hit, don't run a play. That us on Tomlin, not Cleveland. The tackle on Rudolph wasn't hard, at all. 

 

Garrett went way too far with the helmet. Rudolph was just as much at fault up to that point.

I’m with you. Garrett simply took it way too far, and I don’t condone it all. However, anyone who thinks Rudolph is purely a victim is mistaken. Judging by that  reaction, Rudolph said or did something that violated “man code” or something. Anyone who doesn’t feel that way has lived a sheltered life imo. Also funny how fans are less outraged when players do the same to women.  Once again, I don’t condone it, but save the faux outrage imo. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by SirAndrew

[Lurker]

9 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There is zero excuse for it, and it really could have injured Rudolph badly.

 

If Burfict can get the rest of the season for his hit, Garrett should get even more...

[Happy]

Rest of this season, and that may be a conservative guess.  Using your helmet as a weapon is a really bad look.

[Happy]

Garrett should be suspended the rest of the season.  Pouncey shouldn't be suspended, but will probably get 1 game.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Garrett should be suspended the rest of the season.  Pouncey shouldn't be suspended, but will probably get 1 game.

 

6 games feels a bit light to me.  I'd say indefinite so he misses regular season, and playoffs, and then decide the rest of his suspension in the offseason. 

[Happy]

18 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

if you are honestly trying to say that Rudolph got his hand stuck in his helmet and was just trying to get up you were lying to yourself. He kicked him in the junk and was trying to twist and yank his helmet while they were still on the ground.

 

Garrett drug him to the ground a little late but he didn't slam him down like you're saying. 

 

I saw you say exactly this in another post in a different thread,  Any proof of this?  Sounds like some crap you made up.  

Joe Buck and Troy Aikman said it looked like Rudolph's hand was stuck in Garrett's helmet.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I’m with you. Garrett simply took it way too far, and I don’t condone it all. However, anyone who thinks Rudolph is purely a victim is mistaken. Judging by that  reaction, Rudolph said or did something that violated “man code” or something. Anyone who doesn’t feel that way has lived a sheltered life imo. Also funny how fans are less outraged when players do the same to women.  Once again, I don’t condone it, but save the faux outrage imo. 

 

I've never seen anyone NOT outraged by one of these cretins beating a woman.

 

[Big Turk]

4 games initially...if he appeals i think it gets reduced to 3

[Nuncha]

Rest of the season and 4 games into next.

[US Egg]

All I know is the high flying Steelers, three game winning streak, got beat pretty good by the Browns.

 

Bills WC chances still looking good.

[ScotiaBillsFan]

Pouncy did the right thing and at best get 1 game but I honestly think he should get nothing. Myles Garrett should have criminal charges brought against him, that's assault with a weapon, remember Todd Bertuzzi? This is a similar situation we're just lucky Rudolph didn't get hurt badly. That being said Garrett should get a minimum of 2 years if not a lifetime ban. Everyone else involved should at best be a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I've never seen anyone NOT outraged by one of these cretins beating a woman.

 

I agree, I’m just saying it’s become second nature to just forget about it. In reality, the NFL needs better discipline both on and off the field. Maybe things like this wouldn’t happen. My point is that people will be outraged about this, and never forget it. Garrett is permanently public enemy number one of the fans and media for the rest of his career, while a guy like AP will continue to be worshipped by fans and media. AP’s transgressions were far more disturbing to me than Garrett’s imo. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's the clip:

 

 

That's one of the most dangerous hits I've ever seen. He could have severely damaged Tre's neck and ended his career. No one seemed to care.

I agree. We can discuss relativity all day long, but it was late, cheap, unprovoked and TW had no ability to defend himself. It forever changed the way I looked at Grinkowski.  Deliberate attempt to injure, scumbag move, and the penalty from the NFL was garbage.