Week 10: Bills at Browns

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

It's been a fun ride but I have a feeling the wheels are about to fly off bigtime. We will win 2 maybe 3 the rest of the way.

I'm curious. What information leads you to make this assumption?

[london_bills]

1 hour ago, MikeSpeed said:

Not for me it won't be. If we beat the Browns, even though they have been bad, it may just change my attitude about this season. I am serious when I say this is the type of game we normally blow. So winning this game will without a doubt have a positive effect on me.

Yeah. Hopefully the bills don't lay an egg as soon as they are favourites. 

[SCBills]

54 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They could start by scoring in the *gasp* 30s for once.

 

I think they're getting close.  24 points on Offense with no points off turnovers against Washington with windy conditions.

 

If we ever decide to hit on a deep ball or play offense in 3rd quarters, we just may start seeing that.

 

Very interested to see this offense against Cleveland, with Singletary as our established feature back.  He won't be taking anyone by surprise on Sunday, but now he also needs to be game planned for.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

So now they have to score points in a specific way.  If they score 30 next week you’ll say they have to score 30 with just passing.

 

Some around here refuse to enjoy a successful team.

 

Please keep up. The subject is the offense. It’s simply not good enough to win 11 or more games. An NFL offense scoring 30 points shouldn’t be as rare as a golden tiger sighting.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Please keep up. The subject is the offense. It’s simply not good enough to win 11 or more games. An NFL offense scoring 30 points shouldn’t be as rare as a golden tiger sighting.

Ok Nostradamus.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Anyone else concerned about Levi Wallace getting torched by Landry?  I'm assuming Beckham will be followed by White all game

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So now they have to score points in a specific way.  If they score 30 next week you’ll say they have to score 30 with just passing.

 

Some around here refuse to enjoy a successful team.

The Bills not only covered the spread yesterday with 5 points to spare but they beat the skins by more (15) than their average margin of loss (12). I don’t know if people want 30 point victories but that’s not normal in the NFL. This wasn’t Clemson - Wofford. 

[aceman_16]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

They could start by scoring in the *gasp* 30s for once.

They did vs Miami.  Watch much?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Name me a team that was 2-6 then made the playoffs.

While it does not happen very often (hardly at all),  it has happened

 

The KC Chiefs 2015 were once in the dregs and had 10 wins straight to put them into the playoffs 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2015.htm

 

 

Edited November 4, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

They did vs Miami.  Watch much?

Oh no.  They have to score in a very specific manner.  Only scores where Allen fades back and throws a ball 60 yards into the air that lands like a butterfly with sore feet into the waiting arms of Foster will now be acceptable as scores for the Bills.  Any others will be counted as touchbacks with the ball given back to the opposing team.

 

Also, any further victories against teams with a losing record will only be counted as half a victory. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

The Clowns are still playing like the Clowns!

 

They have a buffoon for a HC- far out of his depth and a douche for a QB, included in their multiple prima donnas. Still- they’re dangerous. Keep them dysfunctional and steal one next week.

 

This is another Bills’ test.

[london_bills]

27 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Anyone else concerned about Levi Wallace getting torched by Landry?  I'm assuming Beckham will be followed by White all game

Some concern. They go for it a lot on 4th down as well so that is a worry as we have been good at holding teams to field goals. And the run game with chubb. Want to see what we can do on offence. 

Edited November 4, 2019 by london_bills

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So the minimum acceptable perfomance is scoring on every possession?

 

Why shouldn't that be the standard for the Bills????   I'm sure that Belichick and Co have that standard for the Pats.   I'm sure that that's what Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Sean McVay, Frank Reich, and Doug Pedersen expect from their offenses?   Why do the Bills FO/HCs accept mediocrity as "good enough" -- and so many of their fans applaud them for it?  

[Dablitzkrieg]

11 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Some concern. They go for it a lot on 4th down as well so that is a worry as we have been good at holding teams to field goals. And the run game with chubb. Want to see what we can do on offence. 

And Hunt returns this week

[ytownblofan]

The one thought that keeps sticking in my head is Myles Garrett taking Trevor Siemian down late and snapping his ankle. With Josh trying to extend plays and the Browns being clearly frustrated, I am concerned the late hits could take their toll eventually. The line better come ready to play and I am completely fine with one personal foul penalty if someone goes at Josh late and Feliciano wants to make sure it doesn't happen again. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Talk to Dabol about that because he is calling a ball control game plan. We scored on every possession in the first half and only had 17. And I think Dabol's playcalling is what's wrong on the 3Q.

 

It's Jauron ball, and it's been McDermott's style since he became HC. Play not to lose.  Don't take many chances and especially not big chances.   Daboll either shares McDermott's philosophy or has adapted to it.

[Lurker]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Browns -2.5

 

Browns winless at home

Bills undefeated on the road 

 

 

Don't like those probabilities.   Like flipping a coin and getting heads 9 times in a row...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

It's Jauron ball, and it's been McDermott's style since he became HC. Play not to lose.  Don't take many chances and especially not big chances.   Daboll either shares McDermott's philosophy or has adapted to it.

So far it has worked but not so sure it will continue to work against teams that have good offenses. At some point you have to take chances to win in this league. The best teams always do. I am not talking about going for it in 4th and 1 in the other teams end. I would love to see more big yard plays. Most teams don't try to score with 10 play drives all the time. 

 

My worry is it won't change cause it doesn't fit into McDermott's ball control philosophy. Just once it would be nice to see a modern offense in Buffalo. You can't rely on a good defense forever cause history has shown its hard to keep a good defense together for a long period of time. 

[eball]

15 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

It's Jauron ball, and it's been McDermott's style since he became HC. Play not to lose.  Don't take many chances and especially not big chances.   Daboll either shares McDermott's philosophy or has adapted to it.

 

"Jauron ball" runs those plays from 1st and goal at the 2 in the first quarter?

 

You guys crack me up.  No, McD is not some crazily aggressive coach but he's also not playing "not to lose."  People keep forgetting that this offense is brand new and it takes time to develop an identity.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But earlier in the year he was money in those situations. So what changed? Gore feeling his age? Line not making holes? Predictable playcalling?

 

On one of them he lost two yards because Morse got pushed into the backfield. The line didn't do great in those push situations.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

"Jauron ball" runs those plays from 1st and goal at the 2 in the first quarter?

 

You guys crack me up.  No, McD is not some crazily aggressive coach but he's also not playing "not to lose."  People keep forgetting that this offense is brand new and it takes time to develop an identity.

 

It's So Tier. In the pantheon of negative idiots, he's like Apollo to ScottLaw's Zeus.

 

 

[BearNorth]

Gore had 4 runs for zero, one for a -3, and one for one yard.  Can someone think of a jumbo formation or something.  Last Year we would have put Kyle in at Fullback as lead blocker, is that something that our #1 draft pick Ed Oliver could do to earn his salary, He seems to have the size and quickness.

 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills not only covered the spread yesterday with 5 points to spare but they beat the skins by more (15) than their average margin of loss (12). I don’t know if people want 30 point victories but that’s not normal in the NFL. This wasn’t Clemson - Wofford. 

Also, I wish people would acknowledge that the Redskins defense is actually decent and possessing a pretty talented front seven (Kerrigan, Sweat, Payne, and Allen) along with Landon Collins. In the previous three games, they didn't allow the opponent to get 20 points, including on the road at Minnesota. 

4 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Gore had 4 runs for zero, one for a -3, and one for one yard.  Can someone think of a jumbo formation or something.  Last Year we would have put Kyle in at Fullback as lead blocker, is that something that our #1 draft pick Ed Oliver could do to earn his salary, He seems to have the size and quickness.

 

The problem on those plays is that the DTs on Washington (Payne and Allen) have blue-chip level talent, and pretty much dominated the o-lineman they faced on those plays. Generally speaking, in the NFL the best line athletes play defense, and the worst ones play interior o-line. Mitch Morse is a good pass blocker, but in a low-man leverage competition against Da'Ron Payne, he is going to lose every time (which is what happened yesterday)--particularly on plays where Payne can sell out because he knows exactly what's coming (because the Bills short yardage playcalling is so predictable).

Edited November 4, 2019 by dave mcbride

[John Gianelli]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Browns -2.5

 

Browns winless at home

Bills undefeated on the road 

 

 

 

Does anyone know if Elias Sports Bureau has stats on when was the last time a 2-6 team was favored over a 6-2 team?  I could see it in college, but not in the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the first time in NFL history.

 

Sorry if someone already posted this question.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Also, I wish people would acknowledge that the Redskins defense is actually decent and possessing a pretty talented front seven (Kerrigan, Sweat, Payne, and Allen) along with Landon Collins. In the previous three games, they didn't allow the opponent to get 20 points, including on the road at Minnesota. 

The problem on those plays is that the DTs on Washington (Payne and Allen) have blue-chip level talent, and pretty much dominated the o-lineman they faced on those plays. Generally speaking, in the NFL the best line athletes play defense, and the worst ones play interior o-line. Mitch Morse is a good pass blocker, but in a low-man leverage competition against Da'Ron Payne, he is going to lose every time (which is what happened yesterday)--particularly on plays where Payne can sell out because he knows exactly what's coming (because the Bills short yardage playcalling is so predictable).

The redskins defense was discussed before the game but no one paid attention because they were focused on their record and laughing about Haskins. It wasn’t an ideal 1st start for Haskins to go to Buffalo but he finally got first team reps all week and I thought their game plan for him was sound. I give Callahan credit for not giving him too much but letting him throw high percentage passes. The difference was the Bills were the better team. Maybe not 30 points better but 15 points better. Not many teams are 30 points better than the other in the Nfl. 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Browns just cut their Safety Jermaine Whitehead after he twitted racist comments and death threats.

 

Keep the dysfunction alive! GO BILLS

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

The redskins defense was discussed before the game but no one paid attention because they were focused on their record and laughing about Haskins. It wasn’t an ideal 1st start for Haskins to go to Buffalo but he finally got first team reps all week and I thought their game plan for him was sound. I give Callahan credit for not giving him too much but letting him throw high percentage passes. The difference was the Bills were the better team. Maybe not 30 points better but 15 points better. Not many teams are 30 points better than the other in the Nfl. 

Agreed, although I was pretty unimpressed by Haskins. He made one or two nice relatively short range out pattern throws, but they were basically all gimmes that the Bills were happy to concede. He only challenged them twice beyond the initial secondary wall, and overthrew it once and got stoned the other time (by Taron Johnson in the EZ). Playing like that will get you to midfield, but it's not a recipe for scoring TDs. I do realize he's a rookie with very little experience, but that just suggests to me that he should never have been taken in the first round. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Agreed, although I was pretty unimpressed by Haskins. He made one or two nice relatively short range out pattern throws, but they were basically all gimmes that the Bills were happy to concede. He only challenged them twice beyond the initial secondary wall, and overthrew it once and got stoned the other time (by Taron Johnson in the EZ). Playing like that will get you to midfield, but it's not a recipe for scoring TDs. I do realize he's a rookie with very little experience, but that just suggests to me that he should never have been taken in the first round. 

I felt differently.  I thought he hung in there in the pocket and made some decent reads and throws.  Not bad for a rookie in his first start.

[BillsMafi$]

Honestly think browns win this year. Chubb is averaging 5 yards a carry . 

[dpberr]

I'm delighted the media continues to provide the team anger fuel. 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Agreed, although I was pretty unimpressed by Haskins. He made one or two nice relatively short range out pattern throws, but they were basically all gimmes that the Bills were happy to concede. He only challenged them twice beyond the initial secondary wall, and overthrew it once and got stoned the other time (by Taron Johnson in the EZ). Playing like that will get you to midfield, but it's not a recipe for scoring TDs. I do realize he's a rookie with very little experience, but that just suggests to me that he should never have been taken in the first round. 

I was impressed with Callahan, not Haskins. He didn’t set him up to fall on his face. I didn’t expect much from him in Haskins in his first start but was expecting him to look flustered and turn the ball over which he didn’t. Callahan tried to hide him essentially. People may be down on the Bills D but their pass D is one of the best in league and not really one you want to face in your first start.

Edited November 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[dave mcbride]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I felt differently.  I thought he hung in there in the pocket and made some decent reads and throws.  Not bad for a rookie in his first start.

The throws were decent enough, but collectively they amount to super-conservative, take-no-chances passing that simply won't win you games in the NFL. A standard-issue, pro-style running game isn't good enough to win in the NFL (or even get you TDs) even if it's strong, and that's all the Redskins have. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Buffalo's struggles with the run game are going to either improve or the flood gates will open.  They honestly do a good job on like 10/30 carries a game where they're limiting carries to like 1 yard or less.  It's the 3-5 yarders turning into 10+ that they need to fix.  Peterson had at least 3-5 carries that should've been like 3 or less that turned into significantly more.  

 

If they can keep the browns behind the sticks... let them get penalties and turnovers, shoot themselves in the foot etc.  Cleveland doesn't seem confident in their ability to attack down the field either, so Buffalo has gotta play sound on defense and they should be right in this game.  

 

Offensively - Buffalo can't turn it over... Take what they give you.  They have talent on defense, but its another situation where the sum is less than the parts.  Pass rushing they are great, but their LBs aren't.  I'd be running jet action on almost every play to get their eyes moving.  Pound the rock and try and catch them with some play action.  

[dave mcbride]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I was impressed with Callahan, not Haskins. He didn’t set him up to fall on his face. I didn’t expect much from him in Haskins in his first start but was expecting him to look flustered and turn the ball over which he didn’t. Callahan tried to hide him essentially. 

Yes, excellent point. 

[dubs]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Anyone else concerned about Levi Wallace getting torched by Landry?  I'm assuming Beckham will be followed by White all game

I’m way more concerned with Nick Chubb!

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Yes, excellent point. 

I just remember young guys like Tannehill, Carr, Mariota, Winston coming into buffalo and throwing up all over themselves with multiple picks and deer in Headlights. Just not an easy place to play.  

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

One thing for sure, it will be another meaningless win against a terrible opponent, like the rest of them. Am I right?

For sure. But man, if they lose......doooooooooooomed

[TPS]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The reason this is a tricky match up is that the Browns have a lot of talent. What they lack is structure, organisation, scheme, leadership and humility.

That's the problem.  They are Dr Jekyll (good) and Mr Hyde (bad), though mostly the latter.  However, they still have that potential to do what they did to the Ravens....

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Browns just cut their Safety Jermaine Whitehead after he twitted racist comments and death threats.

 

Keep the dysfunction alive! GO BILLS

He tweeted the comments, but he sure is a twit.