John from Riverside Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 - I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is open. - McKenzie in the end zone....this is why I dont feel our WR core is yet complete....McKenie is not the guy you want running that route...yes the pass was a bit high....a WR that will climb the ladder with some size that can play MAKES that catch....McKenzie didnt even attempt to get off the ground....McKenzie should be used for things like jet sweeps and backing up on returns. Oliver sighting early...that man is fast We need a better reserve linebacker Poyer is a stud Gore needs to be brought back WHy are ppl saying Josh was not making plays in the first half (but then I see him overthrow Knox) Holding penalties still hurting us Fitz is good early RUN....THE...BALL.....both Gore and Devin owning it on the ground 1st quarter Allen is moving the ball right down the field on passes....especially to Brown Come on Knox....gotta catch those...makes the highlight catch and drops the easy one. ...that is a TD there two I hear boos on a Allen sack....I am wondering if those ppl would have been more upset with a Allen interception? That is how those usually happen. I dont care what anyone says....Edmunds is a stud. He got blocked out of some plays today...he also makes it really hard to drop passes into buckets over the middle....and nice job on a snuffing out a screen here Come on Bease.....hang onto the ball Josh is actually been pretty accurate this half Too...many....penalties Not understanding the boos on 3rd and 19 with a run play......how many plays are there for 3rd and 19? That is HOW THE BALL GETS PICKED 2nd half TE for Miami making Dawson Knox type catches Obvious push off by Devante Parker Fitz gets drilled on a sack....promptly throws the int to White on the next play (meanwhile...it seems like Miami held onto the ball forever on that drive) Then Josh Allen and company go to work....perfect drive from Allen and resulting in a TD to Brown on a lazer Josh converts the two then throws me the football in California (can I have it autographed Josh?) Bills get the ball back....Brown is a stud I really hope these deep shots by Josh start connecting.....guys ARE open Turnovers are nice McKenzie doing what he does well.....lets keep him doing that role 2nd TD by Josh Allen...playing well in the 2nd half....but honestly....he didnt play that badly in the 1st half Up by 10 with 6 minutes left to go Miami's TE is pretty good Not happy with the play calling here.....Miami is totally playing run trying to get the ball back....Buffalo obliges and has to punt Kinda cheap holding call on Edmunds.....happens on every play Fitz with the great play on 4th and 7 I do like that they are sending Medmunds on MLB Blitzes Fitz showing the good Fitz Fitz should have never scored that last TD......Hughes come on man you gotta have that Hyde ices it Bills 5 and 1 - 7 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is open. This, I mean come on Allen's best runs are all off of scrambles/taking off when he doesn't see anything/sees an opening. Sure Allen's a big strong guy with some speed and he'll get you yards on those but I'd rather they use him as a QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhode Island Red Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: This, I mean come on Allen's best runs are all off of scrambles/taking off when he doesn't see anything/sees an opening. Sure Allen's a big strong guy with some speed and he'll get you yards on those but I'd rather they use him as a QB. Respectfully disagree. Josh is an instinctively good runner, with good eyes for the hole(s) and the chains. Add in crazy good moves/wheels for a stallion, and tough to bring down (want a stiff arm, Kiko?) and we have a weapon that Daboll simply has to show, at least on occasion. Opposing DCs, DLs and LBs therefore must respect the possibility. Helps open things up for the rest of our ground game... imho, of course. Josh is a brute and is making SO much progress right now, on SO many different fronts; he’ll get better and better at avoiding those calamitous hits. These designed runs will likely play a role in whatever success comes our way over the next few years, and be part of his game until very late in his (HOF?) career. Homer I am, through and through:-). Edited October 22, 2019 by Rhode Island Red 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Fitz should have never scored that last TD......Hughes come on man you gotta have that When I saw that it reminded me of the Derrick Thomas missed 8th sack that cost Chiefs the win v Seahawks. When asked about his 7 sacks, Derrick was upset about the missed one as it hurt the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. Nothing wrong with being a size queen. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I missed the game, watched the play by play on ESPN Gamecast, seemed like in the 1st half, Bills were moving the ball, but penalties and sounds like a couple of drops stopped all their drives and turned them into field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: WHy are ppl saying Josh was not making plays in the first half (but then I see him overthrow Knox) because ..... ummm ... I got nothing. 50 plus yards in penalties killed those drives. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. Bigger, stronger, faster doomed Zay right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 No problems with the designed runs. Extra blocker and if I’m not mistaken they usually do pretty well. He popped one for 10 Sunday and a hold brought it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Bigger, stronger, faster doomed Zay right? I've never accused Zay of lacking size...... I seen him nekkid ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 John - These running comments are fun. You saw pretty much what I saw. Allen is recovering nicely from the New England debacle. He's still just a second year guy, but he's learning. And as many people have commented, he's a great competitor. Fighting all the time. Leads the league in come from behind wins and fourth quarter wins. I really think that the first half problems were game planning problems, not Allen. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Nothing wrong with being a size queen. I'm afraid what I would find in your room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: John - These running comments are fun. You saw pretty much what I saw. Allen is recovering nicely from the New England debacle. He's still just a second year guy, but he's learning. And as many people have commented, he's a great competitor. Fighting all the time. Leads the league in come from behind wins and fourth quarter wins. I really think that the first half problems were game planning problems, not Allen. It seems as though most want him to be like Mahomes at this stage while not paying attention to reality: he is from a small college program and a JC before that and a small HS before that. He has never had a QB coach until this year and is on the biggest stage in the world. Personally, I love what he’s doing and his progression. For the rest of the year, be mindful with the ball and then look for the next big boost during the offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: McKenzie in the end zone....this is why I dont feel our WR core is yet complete....McKenie is not the guy you want running that route...yes the pass was a bit high....a WR that will climb the ladder with some size that can play MAKES that catch....McKenzie didnt even attempt to get off the ground....McKenzie should be used for things like jet sweeps and backing up on returns I actually do not blame McKenzie on this play. Allen is rolling out to his right, not really under pressure, and McKenzie comes out of the backfield and is wide open all the way to the endzone. It is a well designed play and you can see McKenzie looking back at Allen from around the 18 yard line on in. I have no idea why Allen was waiting to pull the trigger. If he hits Mckenzie in that range, McKenzie walks into the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I actually do not blame McKenzie on this play. Allen is rolling out to his right, not really under pressure, and McKenzie comes out of the backfield and is wide open all the way to the endzone. It is a well designed play and you can see McKenzie looking back at Allen from around the 18 yard line on in. I have no idea why Allen was waiting to pull the trigger. If he hits Mckenzie in that range, McKenzie walks into the endzone. You are correct. That pass is thrown about 1/2 second too late. This is a key step that Allen needs to make in his maturity as a QB. He still doesn't have or trust his instincts to throw receivers open. This was the third play in that opening drive where Allen was looking in the right direction, but didn't pull the trigger to an eventually wide open WR. Hopefully those are throws he learns to make, which is why his big toss to Duke later in the game was so important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTLBills Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I really hope these deep shots by Josh start connecting.....guys ARE open I had a thought regarding this. Last year he was hitting on a few more than this year (none). I know that his footwork was worked on and cleaned up a bit prior to this season, which has been evident for the most part so far this year. However, could it be that this improved footwork has changed the way his deep ball is traveling? Maybe what is now proper mechanics is causing his ball to travel differently (further) than it did last year? Food for thought... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Good stuff, John, I agree with many of the points. Especially: I thought Josh played pretty well the whole game, including the first half. To me, this game was about two things: bad penalties, and the defense being unable to get off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, MTLBills said: I had a thought regarding this. Last year he was hitting on a few more than this year (none). I know that his footwork was worked on and cleaned up a bit prior to this season, which has been evident for the most part so far this year. However, could it be that this improved footwork has changed the way his deep ball is traveling? Maybe what is now proper mechanics is causing his ball to travel differently (further) than it did last year? Food for thought... That's an excellent point. Never heard it said before. It could very well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. 7 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Nothing wrong with being a size queen. This whole thing really seemed to gain momentum with all of Buddy Nix's talk about wanting to acquire a guy who is "open even when he's not open." Perhaps Chan having coached Calvin Johnson in college also made this a larger focus. But the fact remains not every team can have a BIG JOHNSON type receiver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: This whole thing really seemed to gain momentum with all of Buddy Nix's talk about wanting to acquire a guy who is "open even when he's not open." Perhaps Chan having coached Calvin Johnson in college also made this a larger focus. But the fact remains not every team can have a BIG JOHNSON type receiver. At this point I think most fans would settle for a motion of the ocean WR if it results in celebrations. Edited October 22, 2019 by Buffalo Junction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I actually do not blame McKenzie on this play. Allen is rolling out to his right, not really under pressure, and McKenzie comes out of the backfield and is wide open all the way to the endzone. It is a well designed play and you can see McKenzie looking back at Allen from around the 18 yard line on in. I have no idea why Allen was waiting to pull the trigger. If he hits Mckenzie in that range, McKenzie walks into the endzone. I agree. It looks to me like Allen is gun shy about his INTs from earlier this season. An overthrow is unlikely to be intercepted vs that coverage so he’s being extra cautious. He needs to get those out of his thought process and just drop it in there. Most of his deep attempts this year were overthrown by a significant distance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Junction said: At this point I think most fans would settle for a motion of the ocean WR if it results in celebrations. Most fans probably thought Beasley to be the answer here... a smaller, shiftier guy with crisp route running and movement in the slot. But, one has to start wondering about his ability to rise to the occasion in big moments. He's seemingly dropped the ball a few times at crucial points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: Most fans probably thought Beasley to be the answer here... a smaller, shiftier guy with crisp route running and movement in the slot. But, one has to start wondering about his ability to rise to the occasion in big moments. He's seemingly dropped the ball a few times at crucial points. Lacking in rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Ballage crossed the EZ dragging Poyer on his ankle. On Parker's TD catch. Poyer had a clear angle on him as he was coming FROM the EZ to tackle Ballard short. Poyer bounced off him. Score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I've never accused Zay of lacking size...... I seen him nekkid ? oh my TMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: because ..... ummm ... I got nothing. 50 plus yards in penalties killed those drives. Bigger, stronger, faster doomed Zay right? Yep. You can’t play the game from behind the sticks. That simple. FGs weren’t the worst outcome in those situations, either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Ballage crossed the EZ dragging Poyer on his ankle. On Parker's TD catch. Poyer had a clear angle on him as he was coming FROM the EZ to tackle Ballard short. Poyer bounced off him. Score. I yelled TACKLE him you dummy WTF is with the bump and bounce??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: Most fans probably thought Beasley to be the answer here... a smaller, shiftier guy with crisp route running and movement in the slot. But, one has to start wondering about his ability to rise to the occasion in big moments. He's seemingly dropped the ball a few times at crucial points. Beas caught some key throws at big moments last Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Monday was the day to reminisce. Tuesday is when you wipe the slate and concentrate on Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm afraid what I would find in your room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 19 hours ago, John from Riverside said: - I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is Fitz gets drilled on a sack....promptly throws the int to White on the next play I really they (posters) would stop getting cute with all that white space ...... Fitz did not throw the int to White - he threw it to low and outside so if WR missed catch it would go out of bounds and Hyde made a great play and defender did not play defense well enough. 11 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I really think that the first half problems were game planning problems, not Allen. They were game prep problems. After New England threw those blitzes they should have expected it from Miami but they were unprepared for them. The Bills need to do a better job at self scouting but it is HARD to practice when you are limited by NFLPA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Limeaid said: They were game prep problems. After New England threw those blitzes they should have expected it from Miami but they were unprepared for them. The Bills need to do a better job at self scouting but it is HARD to practice when you are limited by NFLPA rules. Thanks. Game prep and game planning is a nice distinction. They weren't prepared, and they should have been. Allen should have known what to do with the pass rush, and in the first half it seemed he didn't. However they did it, they controlled it better in the second half, because on the biggest throws (like the pass to Duke and TD pass), Allen was comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 11:58 AM, Rubes said: Good stuff, John, I agree with many of the points. Especially: I thought Josh played pretty well the whole game, including the first half. To me, this game was about two things: bad penalties, and the defense being unable to get off the field. And drop passes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 1:51 AM, John from Riverside said: - I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is open. - McKenzie in the end zone....this is why I dont feel our WR core is yet complete....McKenie is not the guy you want running that route...yes the pass was a bit high....a WR that will climb the ladder with some size that can play MAKES that catch....McKenzie didnt even attempt to get off the ground....McKenzie should be used for things like jet sweeps and backing up on returns. Oliver sighting early...that man is fast We need a better reserve linebacker Poyer is a stud Gore needs to be brought back WHy are ppl saying Josh was not making plays in the first half (but then I see him overthrow Knox) Holding penalties still hurting us Fitz is good early RUN....THE...BALL.....both Gore and Devin owning it on the ground 1st quarter Allen is moving the ball right down the field on passes....especially to Brown Come on Knox....gotta catch those...makes the highlight catch and drops the easy one. ...that is a TD there two I hear boos on a Allen sack....I am wondering if those ppl would have been more upset with a Allen interception? That is how those usually happen. I dont care what anyone says....Edmunds is a stud. He got blocked out of some plays today...he also makes it really hard to drop passes into buckets over the middle....and nice job on a snuffing out a screen here Come on Bease.....hang onto the ball Josh is actually been pretty accurate this half Too...many....penalties Not understanding the boos on 3rd and 19 with a run play......how many plays are there for 3rd and 19? That is HOW THE BALL GETS PICKED 2nd half TE for Miami making Dawson Knox type catches Obvious push off by Devante Parker Fitz gets drilled on a sack....promptly throws the int to White on the next play (meanwhile...it seems like Miami held onto the ball forever on that drive) Then Josh Allen and company go to work....perfect drive from Allen and resulting in a TD to Brown on a lazer Josh converts the two then throws me the football in California (can I have it autographed Josh?) Bills get the ball back....Brown is a stud I really hope these deep shots by Josh start connecting.....guys ARE open Turnovers are nice McKenzie doing what he does well.....lets keep him doing that role 2nd TD by Josh Allen...playing well in the 2nd half....but honestly....he didnt play that badly in the 1st half Up by 10 with 6 minutes left to go Miami's TE is pretty good Not happy with the play calling here.....Miami is totally playing run trying to get the ball back....Buffalo obliges and has to punt Kinda cheap holding call on Edmunds.....happens on every play Fitz with the great play on 4th and 7 I do like that they are sending Medmunds on MLB Blitzes Fitz showing the good Fitz Fitz should have never scored that last TD......Hughes come on man you gotta have that Hyde ices it Bills 5 and 1 - Your DVR does a lot of thinking. Mine is a mope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 10:46 AM, GG said: You are correct. That pass is thrown about 1/2 second too late. This is a key step that Allen needs to make in his maturity as a QB. He still doesn't have or trust his instincts to throw receivers open. This was the third play in that opening drive where Allen was looking in the right direction, but didn't pull the trigger to an eventually wide open WR. Hopefully those are throws he learns to make, which is why his big toss to Duke later in the game was so important. Or does he simply not find open receivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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