Brandon Beane’s approach to the trade deadline - May intensify after yesterday

[Gmoneybills]

 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 minute ago, Ggaenzle said:

 

Why even post stuff from this moron?

[buffalo2218]

On 10/21/2019 at 7:41 AM, Sundancer said:

 

If they can get one of those guys, it would be awesome. I want a WR badly but Von Miller on this D would be really fun. 

Miller on this defense would be a massive boost to an already great D. I've given a lot of thought to Green (now the only WR available), and I agree with others that his health issues wouldn't be of much use to Allen. Not gonna deny the guy is talented, but availability circumvents talent and he seems to be injured too much to take a chance on. How can fans ignore that yet point out a ton of times how Watkins was so injury prone?  But back to Miller, my god, he just did a video with Bruce Smith and all I could think of was Miller in a Bills uni. I hope Bruce used some persuasion or maybe Miller gave it a thought

[BuffaninSarasota]

On 10/21/2019 at 8:00 AM, SCBills said:

I don’t know how concerned to be about LB depth.  Kind of a perfect storm with Milano out, as well as Thompson.   Anytime a team has to go to the backups, backup, there can be a pretty big drop off.    I wouldn’t be opposed to getting better depth though.  

 

I do agree with EDGE.  I think Fitz was getting the ball out really quick, as well as moving well in the pocket.  That being said, I’d be offering Shaq and a pick to anyone with an available pass rusher, not named Vic Beasley.   We’re paying/drafting someone at EDGE this offseason... going to be Shaq or someone else anyway. 

 

Also agree with WR.  John Brown is a stud.  Cole Beasley is solid.  Duke is definitely worth investing in, but after two games, I don’t think he’s going to be the cure-all.  McKenzie needs to get the ball more, but that’s besides the point.  Foster and Roberts are speed guys, but one can’t get healthy, and the other is a guy who should be KR/PR - WR depth.  We have the pieces, but are still lacking the guy who can draw attention opposite John Brown. 

 

Foster is healthy and was scratched vs. Miami. Not sure what is going on with him.

On 10/21/2019 at 12:14 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Edge is the biggest need on the team. Von Miller is the answer.

I like the Keenan Allen idea above too.

I don't see Atlanta trading Julio

AJ Green could in interesting.  Trade for him and let him heal for a few more weeks. Bring him back for the stretch run. Deep speed opposite Brown would open up the entire offense.

 

Again, it matters not if JA cannot hit the deep pass, which he has shown to date he cannot

Edited October 22, 2019 by BuffaninSarasota
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[Locomark]

I always figured Beane would wait until after we beat Philly so we can prove we are still within a game of the Pats or he won’t do anything. It may be too late then though. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

Foster is healthy and was scratched vs. Miami. Not sure what is going on with him.

 

Again, it matters not if JA cannot hit the deep pass, which he has shown to date he cannot

He could last year.  It's been a problem all year but he can snap out of it.  His short to intermediate accuracy is much improved.  I will take that over long ball any day.  But if he could hit just a few over the next few weeks it will open up the offense.  

[Virgil]

That was intense

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/21/2019 at 7:20 AM, MtlBillsFan said:

Milano is a huge loss for this defense. Alexander (Maurice) was targeted all day yesterday and couldnt do the job.

LB would be my priority.

 

I think the Bills like Corey Thompson as their LB depth behind Milano.  You're right that Maurice Alexander couldn't do the job, but remember he's the 3rd string.  They should be trying to upgrade Alexander though, but you don't do a big trade for your 3rd string guy

 

I wonder if the Bills lose communication on D with Milano out as they would if they lost one of Hyde/Poyer

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

Foster is healthy and was scratched vs. Miami. Not sure what is going on with him

 

5 WR active on game day because 3 TE

1) Brown

2) Beasley

3) Zay Jones, now Duke Williams - plays ST

4) Isaiah McKensie - speed and gadget guy, has played ST

5) Andre Roberts - primary KR/PR on ST

 

You activate Foster, you healthy scratch one of the others.  Who?  Foster needs to build his repetoire to get back on the active roster, or to demonstrate in practice that what he brings >> what McKensie brings.  Injuries, now, that's different.

 

 

 

[BillsFan4]

Is there any good 1 tech DT’s that could be available? That looks like a pretty big hole after Sunday’s game (and that was against an awful Miami line). Peko and Lotulelei aren’t cutting it. 

[Nanker]

On 10/21/2019 at 9:30 PM, PaulieYayo said:

Especially since JA has shown he cant hit the deep pass even when there is clear separation 

Dabol took away his "hero ball" in favor of improving his short game, and now folks are complaining.

 

[BuffaninSarasota]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Dabol took away his "hero ball" in favor of improving his short game, and now folks are complaining.

 

you are conflating "hero ball" with his inability to hit the deep ball while standing in a clean pocket

[dave mcbride]

On 10/22/2019 at 12:09 AM, Floydboy12 said:

I think at this point of the season the only move that makes a lot of sense is an edge rusher. Don't have to teach him a lot of your scheme quickly. Just let him go. Not sure who is out there that fits the bill. Ngakoue is the pipe dream but I'm sure the Jags think they're still a playoff contender. Beasley may be worth a late pick. I liked Lorenzo Carter a lot in last years draft. Maybe the Giants are ready to move on from him? 

The Jags are definitely still in it. I don't think anyone in that division is winning more than 10 games, and I also think that a terrible AFC means that it's very possible a 9-win team gets a WC slot. 

[Nanker]

32 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

you are conflating "hero ball" with his inability to hit the deep ball while standing in a clean pocket

Like he totally missed it on the first video I posted?

[BuffaninSarasota]

3 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Like he totally missed it on the first video I posted?

 

sorry, I could not view it - blocked by the NFL. I'll find it on YouTube

[Nanker]

Just now, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

sorry, I could not view it - blocked by the NFL. I'll find it on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOLe7gXhqW0&feature=player_embedded

 

 

The linky thingy is in the window that says it's blocked here by the EN EF EL.

 

[BuffaninSarasota]

3 minutes ago, Nanker said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOLe7gXhqW0&feature=player_embedded

 

 

The linky thingy is in the window that says it's blocked here by the EN EF EL.

 

 

I do remember that play - good stuff

[PauleeeWalnuts]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

Dabol took away his "hero ball" in favor of improving his short game, and now folks are complaining.

Dude please don't be one of those people who argue for the sake of arguing. He is constantly missing deep throws with a clean pocket 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 10/21/2019 at 9:34 PM, TheProcess said:

Who can we get to help us slay the cheats (besides a QB like some of you wise guys are thinking out there)? In all seriousness, what helps us most toward that goal? I’m thinking pass rusher. 

 

Bills held their offense to 9 points. The need pass catchers or RBs that win one on one. 

 

Vs the jet the ball was out in under two seconds most of the night.  The alll century team pass rush isn’t disrupting that. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Nanker said:

Dabol took away his "hero ball" in favor of improving his short game, and now folks are complaining.

 

 

It's been a tale of two stories from last year to this year.  His deep ball throws aren't just missing by a little...he's missing badly.  It needs to be corrected or offense is going to continue to be stagnant.  

[teef]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Allens awesome!!!! Is that better??

as long as he doesn't see ghosts, we're all ok.

[Chandler#81]

29 minutes ago, PaulieYayo said:

Dude please don't be one of those people who argue for the sake of arguing. He is constantly missing deep throws with a clean pocket 

DUUUDE. Please don’t be that Dude. Not a good look for a NOOOOB.

[billsfan1959]

I'm sorry; however, I just do not understand this, almost unhealthy, fixation on the deep ball.

[Blank Stare]

32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Bills held their offense to 9 points. The need pass catchers or RBs that win one on one. 

 

Vs the jet the ball was out in under two seconds most of the night.  The alll century team pass rush isn’t disrupting that. 

I don’t disagree and good point on getting the ball out quickly.  While Wallace had a rough outing against the phins, my thought was that they could hold up long enough in the secondary for another pass rusher opposite Jerry or Ed to get home. But you’re right. We’ve had Mario, Jerry, Kyle, and peak Dareus and it didn’t matter. Doesn’t get much better than that and They still beat us soundly with quick passing.

 

I wouldn’t hate to add another receiver, but they are already struggling to get Foster on the field, so unless it’s a Mike Evans type of guy, I worry it would just be more of the same.

You’ve probably said in another thread, but any receiver or RB that you had in mind?

Edited October 23, 2019 by TheProcess

[Teddy KGB]

39 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Allens awesome!!!! Is that better??

 

Scotty still misses his TT.      

 

True love still exists ??

[nucci]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

I'm sorry; however, I just do not understand this, almost unhealthy, fixation on the deep ball.

I don't either...he's playing well

[Chicken Boo]

I know Elway says he's not available, but I hope Beane is exploring a trade for Von Miller.  

[billsfan_34]

On 10/21/2019 at 7:50 AM, freddyjj said:

Yesterday showed Bills need help at:

1. SAM position behind Milano.  History shows he can't be counted on for 16 games as hurt each of first 3 years.

2. Edge Rusher.  Bills struggled to get pressure from outside despite Miami OTs being below average.  This is top trade target at deadline. 

3. WR continues to be a need on this team. Another outside target with separation skills would help. 

 

Phone lines are open at OBD 

 

I feel like Murphy has really played average the past few weeks however I haven’t really looked hard enough at him or the role he is being asked to play. On the surface, DE seems like it needs an upgrade.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I'm sorry; however, I just do not understand this, almost unhealthy, fixation on the deep ball.

 

The threat opens up everything else on the offense.  Allen has a cannon and we have burners at wideout.  What good is the former if he can't hit on deep routes?

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

I know Elway says he's not available, but I hope Beane is exploring a trade for Von Miller.  

They will most likely want to much for him- but ya never know. 

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The threat opens up everything else on the offense.  Allen has a cannon and we have burners at wideout.  What good is the former if he can't hit on deep routes?

To add - it is basic math. If a QB is limited you can shrink the field and this greatly impacts the offense. Any OC is looking to create space, that is essentially what play design is. 

[NewEra]

I’d love Oj howard or Brate to pair with Knox.  Kroft is jag.  Sweeney is likely Jag.  I feel duke could be a nice pairing opposite brown with Beasley in the slot.  
 

I’m always down to upgrade the OL.  Problem is, no one wants to trade the good OL

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The threat opens up everything else on the offense.  Allen has a cannon and we have burners at wideout.  What good is the former if he can't hit on deep routes?

He doesn't have to throw 50 yd bombs to utilize the talent in his arm - that's not the strength of his game. The deep pass is such a miniscule aspect of the passing game for most QBs. And, it's not as if the defense is just going to stop covering any receiver that goes deep. The threat is still there as long as he is taking shots. Eventually he will start completing them. He has improved in areas that are much more critical to moving the ball consistently and effectively. Patience.

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, ngbills said:

To add - it is basic math. If a QB is limited you can shrink the field and this greatly impacts the offense. Any OC is looking to create space, that is essentially what play design is. 

For the most part, the Bills haven't had problems moving the ball, and when they have, it's not because the D doesn't respect the deep game. Their problem has been in finishing scoring drives between the opponent's 40 and 20 yard lines. That's the issue and there are numerous resons why - none of which involve the deep pass. 

 

This preoccupation with the deep pass is, IMO, ridiculous. It just sounds like a shift from "he can't complete the short pass" or he isn't accurate and will never be a 60% completion QB" or any of the other things people were complaining about last year....

[One Buffalo]

Good point raised here- 

 

 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, ngbills said:

To add - it is basic math. If a QB is limited you can shrink the field and this greatly impacts the offense. Any OC is looking to create space, that is essentially what play design is. 

see Ryan Fitzpatrick. he plays the horizontal game generally speaking.

and how he gained success under Chan.

we only have one burner burning right now.

But Allen would do well to hit him in the hands.

 

 who was the CB for us that discovered he needed contact lenses....

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

For the most part, the Bills haven't had problems moving the ball, and when they have, it's not because the D doesn't respect the deep game. Their problem has been in finishing scoring drives between the opponent's 40 and 20 yard lines. That's the issue and there are numerous resons why - none of which involve the deep pass. 

 

This preoccupation with the deep pass is, IMO, ridiculous. It just sounds like a shift from "he can't complete the short pass" or he isn't accurate and will never be a 60% completion QB" or any of the other things people were complaining about last year....

its always somethin' getting up under a cowboys saddle  and chaffing 'em.

[LSHMEAB]

On 10/21/2019 at 10:09 PM, Floydboy12 said:

I think at this point of the season the only move that makes a lot of sense is an edge rusher. Don't have to teach him a lot of your scheme quickly. Just let him go. Not sure who is out there that fits the bill. Ngakoue is the pipe dream but I'm sure the Jags think they're still a playoff contender. Beasley may be worth a late pick. I liked Lorenzo Carter a lot in last years draft. Maybe the Giants are ready to move on from him? 

That's where I'm at. It doesn't look like the offense is going to be dynamic. Those are just the facts. But adding that pass rusher to an already strong defense puts them over the edge into elite category. You'd have to say it's been the defense that's won the majority of the games. It would also be much more difficult to acclimate an offensive player mid season. Edge rushers generally do one thing. Go get the QB. I'm all about a move for Von Miller.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. It doesn't look like the offense is going to be dynamic. Those are just the facts. But adding that pass rusher to an already strong defense puts them over the edge into elite category. You'd have to say it's been the defense that's won the majority of the games. It would also be much more difficult to acclimate an offensive player mid season. Edge rushers generally do one thing. Go get the QB. I'm all about a move for Von Miller.

Von Miller and Robert Foster getting healthy and flashing late last season form is the best route to this team getting to and being dangerous in the post-season.

[Rocket94]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. It doesn't look like the offense is going to be dynamic. Those are just the facts. But adding that pass rusher to an already strong defense puts them over the edge into elite category. You'd have to say it's been the defense that's won the majority of the games. It would also be much more difficult to acclimate an offensive player mid season. Edge rushers generally do one thing. Go get the QB. I'm all about a move for Von Miller.

If this was even possible and the Bills feel that Miller has three good years left. then go for it. Miller's contributions would justify some of the draft capital in a trade. In order to even consider Miller, the  Bills had better be convinced that time starts now, and they have absolute confidence in this defense. The 2020 draft  would round out the team.