Putin Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This is really a shame...I was really looking forward to watching Rosen get destroyed by our D this week He was going to make 12 teams regret for passing on him , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I think buffalo gets 3 ints vs Fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Putin said: He was going to make 12 teams regret for passing on him , Don't exaggerate. He was drafted 10th. 9 teams. 9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I'm a little worried.... Here's the thing. If our D is really legit, you shouldn't be. If you should be, then McDermott and Beane better roll up their sleeves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I'm a little worried.... ..perhaps we thought we could play "checkers" and now face THE "chess master"...who knows..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: A weak armed QB who tends to force passes into coverage versus a strong armed QB who tends to force passes into coverage. I think we have the advantage. This is one week where we especially don't need Allen to try anything stupid. Throw the ball away, fall over if the pocket collapses, don't force throws downfield. If we get the Titans game version of Josh Allen we'll win this game by 3+ touchdowns. No reason for him to try and put the game on his shoulders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: 42-6 Bills win instead of 42-3 if Rosen played. The ‘6’ is because the Dolphins will screw up the two point attempt again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 There's always the chance a Dolphins WR will just bat the ball down if he gets open like on the 2pt try last week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I am a bit surprised at the arrogance of some fans/local media (talking about automatic wins). After all, the Bills haven't beaten a good team-- and have struggled offensively in all of their games. Fitzpatrick just adds another bit of angst to some fans who have endured the last twenty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is one week where we especially don't need Allen to try anything stupid. Throw the ball away, fall over if the pocket collapses, don't force throws downfield. If we get the Titans game version of Josh Allen we'll win this game by 3+ touchdowns. No reason for him to try and put the game on his shoulders. Spot on. I might add that if the Fish can't stop the running game early they probably will see a lot of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Logic said: Is it that unreasonable to acknowledge that any given NFL team can beat any other NFL team on any given Sunday? Strawman. The Fins are perhaps the worst NFL team in two decades, if not longer (guess who that last data point on this graph is)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Don't exaggerate. He was drafted 10th. 9 teams. IIRC he said 10 mistakes because whoever was at pick 10 traded out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 We get Foster back. We get Singletary back. We get Kroft back. You get the idea. Bring on Fitzy... don't care. Hoping Milano comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Putin said: He was going to make 12 teams regret for passing on him , I think he really meant he was going to make 12 different teams regret letting him play for them in his career. He is going to out Fitz our own Fitztragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Spot on. I might add that if the Fish can't stop the running game early they probably will see a lot of it. Agreed, this should be Singletary's warm up game. I don't mind if he and Gore have more combined yards than Josh Allen. I want this game to be boring as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: True. Bills 17 point favorites and they are averaging 18 PPG... They put up 28 on the Giants and Miami's defense is a lot worse. The one thing the Bills haven't done on defense or special teams is score a touchdown so this may be the game where they run up the score. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Jamie Martin Marc Bulger Carson Palmer Trent Edwards Jake Locker Ryan Mallett Geno Smith Bryce Petty Jameis Winston And now, Josh Rosen joins the list of "quarterbacks who have been benched, by injury or incompetence, for Ryan Fitzpatrick." However, only Trent Edwards and Geno Smith have the truly elite status of being benched for Fitzbeardy twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Lurker said: Strawman. The Fins are perhaps the worst NFL team in two decades, if not longer (guess who that last data point on this graph is)... Gosh! You're right! That highly specific graph citing the difference in net passing yards per play gained and allowed sure showed me that the Dolphins don't have any chance of beating the Bills this Sunday!? By the way, you might want to look up "straw man". I don't know that it means what you think it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Rosen has hung tough and kept trying. He hasn't been effective, but that's a long way from peeing himself. I've been thinking about this. I saw a twitter thing (can't remember from whom) about "Stop Making Excuses for Josh Rosen", he's just not "elevating the team". Well, great QB or even good QB do elevate the team, but I don't think they commonly walk in the door doing that. Andrew Luck did, but not many others. But you know, while the NFL has had its genuine busts, the NFL is also littered with guys who can actually play QB at the NFL level and who were labeled busts after their first seasons even on decent teams with decent coaches. The Chargers drafted Philip Rivers because after 3 years, they thought Drew Brees just couldn't play well enough. Then there are examples playing on inept or relatively inept teams, like Steve Young (Tampa Bay thought he couldn't play) and Alex Smith (made lists of Biggests QB Busts before Harbaugh took over). This article has a viewpoint: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/set-up-to-fail--the-josh-rosen-story Got the feeling Flores felt Rosen would pee himself vs Bills at the Ralph. Rosen is not a leader. Most good QBs are. Not sure he will be a starter again in league. Edited October 17, 2019 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Poor Fitz... this game will probably end his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Poor Fitz... this game will probably end his career. Why? Our defense is not noted for killer sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..perhaps we thought we could play "checkers" and now face THE "chess master"...who knows..... Only the P*ts can beat you playing checkers using chess rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: Gosh! You're right! That highly specific graph citing the difference in net passing yards per play gained and allowed sure showed me that the Dolphins don't have any chance of beating the Bills this Sunday!? By the way, you might want to look up "straw man". I don't know that it means what you think it means. OK. Tin Man, The Fins have no chance of winning this game, Totto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Lurker said: OK. Tin Man, The Fins have no chance of winning this game, Totto... May I borrow your crystal ball when you're done with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? Our defense is not noted for killer sacks We will feast on his INTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: We will feast on his INTs. If INTs could end Fitzy’s career, it would have perished years back 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Interesting. Obviously not really worried because it's the Dolphins and their strange, scattered coach seems intent on losing, but in a vacuum Fitz worries me a lot more than Rosen. Fitz is smart enough to play for himself and his next contract. Wonder if Rosen whined in the film room or something, this team is such a dumpster fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Agreed, this should be Singletary's warm up game. I don't mind if he and Gore have more combined yards than Josh Allen. I want this game to be boring as hell. Yep, I so want to see Daboll call a plodding chain moving game mixing different passes between consistent running. This Miami team is the perfect opponent to test that game plan. If they can do it Miami will crumble under it. I'm really interested in seeing Daboll's scripted plays to start the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Yep, I so want to see Daboll call a plodding chain moving game mixing different passes between consistent running. This Miami team is the perfect opponent to test that game plan. If they can do it Miami will crumble under it. I'm really interested in seeing Daboll's scripted plays to start the game. I agree. A 38-3 blowout is fun to watch if your team is on the right end of it. But I'll gladly take a boring, plodding 20-3 with no turnovers and 150 yards on the ground, 150 in the air. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: They put up 28 on the Giants and Miami's defense is a lot worse. The one thing the Bills haven't done on defense or special teams is score a touchdown so this may be the game where they run up the score. Hopefully. Yeah but they put up only 17 against the Jets (and only after their best Defensive player left the game) and only 21 against an awful Bengals D. NE was only a 16 point favorite against the Fins... 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. A 38-3 blowout is fun to watch if your team is on the right end of it. But I'll gladly take a boring, plodding 20-3 with no turnovers and 150 yards on the ground, 150 in the air. I disagree. This is the matchup to show he can score a lot of points with his game plan and this roster. 20-3 is not a good look going forward. He needs to unload on the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Flores clearly didn’t want Josh Rosen to get destroyed by our Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah but they put up only 17 against the Jets (and only after their best Defensive player left the game) and only 21 against an awful Bengals D. NE was only a 16 point favorite against the Fins... I disagree. This is the matchup to show he can score a lot of points with his game plan and this roster. 20-3 is not a good look going forward. He needs to unload on the Dolphins. The only way the Dolphins won this game is through a bunch of Bills mistakes - turnovers, big special teams plays, etc. There’s a time for every team to be boring and conservative, and for the Bills that’s this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 There has been speculation that Flores is having to cope with the threat of open rebellion in the locker room if he didn't start Fitzpatrick. It's looking more and more like a dumpster fire in Miami.Here's to hoping Adam Gase can set the stage for the same thing in New York. Gee, maybe when Belichick retires Robert Kraft could be persuaded to hire Gase in New England. Yeah, I know that's too much to hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 22 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I hear you, but I try to look at it this way; if we can't beat the Dolphins at home, the Bills are clearly not as good as we thought they were. Fitz is the better QB. I'm not 100 percent sure this isn't Flores winning a power struggle against management. You know this is a good point, if they lose this game then they just aren't sh-it anyway, this is a game they should win easily. We will learn a little about our team Sunday- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: The only way the Dolphins won this game is through a bunch of Bills mistakes - turnovers, big special teams plays, etc. There’s a time for every team to be boring and conservative, and for the Bills that’s this week. The Bills O has 11 TO's in 5 games--that's 17.5% of all drives ending in TOs'.....4th worst in the league. You can't be considered the second best team in the AFC (or third) if you don't score big on a team with a bad O and D. The Ravens, Patriots, Chargers put up 59, 43 and 30 on them. Even the Redskins put up 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills O has 11 TO's in 5 games--that's 17.5% of all drives ending in TOs'.....4th worst in the league. You can't be considered the second best team in the AFC (or third) if you don't score big on a team with a bad O and D. The Ravens, Patriots, Chargers put up 59, 43 and 30 on them. Even the Redskins put up 17. You are right and the Bills would score a lot more if they take away high risk play. Last year the Pats* beat the Bills 24-12 but controlled the game thru it's entirely. So you want JA and the Bills O to mimic KC and not that type of NE play? I believe you play to win and not to impress sports writers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, foreboding said: You know this is a good point, if they lose this game then they just aren't sh-it anyway, this is a game they should win easily. We will learn a little about our team Sunday- Yeah. I generally ascribe to the any given Sunday theory, but at home, against Miami? I just don't think you can lose such a game and expect to compete. I get the point made by Seasons; the cakewalks that you don't have to sweat are great. I'd feel much better about a blowout facing Rosen in a hostile environment. But even with Fitz, this is a game we should win "relatively" easily if we're going places this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, wppete said: Flores clearly didn’t want Josh Rosen to get destroyed by our Defense. When QB F completes almost as many passes for more yards and scores 2x in one quarter, while QB R achieves fewer yards and no scores in three quarters, the coach just won't have a shred of cred if he tells the team "we're not tanking, we're taking our best shot to win every week" while starting QB R. I don't think Miami gives a flying fig newton if Rosen gets mowed down like Coyote in a Roadrunner cartoon. Beep-beep. If they did, why would they trade off their starting LT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: Yeah. I generally ascribe to the any given Sunday theory, but at home, against Miami? I just don't think you can lose such a game and expect to compete. I get the point made by Seasons; the cakewalks that you don't have to sweat are great. I'd feel much better about a blowout facing Rosen in a hostile environment. But even with Fitz, this is a game we should win "relatively" easily if we're going places this season. Right. We came into US Bank stadium last year against a highly-regarded Vikes team expected to go places with their Bright Shiny Big Contract QB. The Vikes had won one and tied one (3 missed FG and gave up a TD off a blocked punt) against what was expected to be 2 contending teams going into the season. The Bills, OTOH, were a total joke at the time, having benched their hype-filmed starter halfway through an embarrassing blowout (where a guy quit at halftime) and played almost equally badly the following week. The Vikes totally took us lightly, expected a cakewalk, and got the public embarrassment they deserved for it. The Bills players and coaches are saying all the right things about "any given Sunday" and taking each team one game at a time. If they believe it and we're legit, we will win. If that's lip service where they're saying the right stuff while believing something else and their heads aren't in it, we'll lose. Good teams - legit, competitive teams - win the games they should win and some of the games they shouldn't. This is a game we should win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You are right and the Bills would score a lot more if they take away high risk play. Last year the Pats* beat the Bills 24-12 but controlled the game thru it's entirely. So you want JA and the Bills O to mimic KC and not that type of NE play? I believe you play to win and not to impress sports writers. Say what?? No, i'll repeat once again that a team that wants to be thought of as one of the best in the Conference, you have to demonstrate that you can score. Other than against the Giants, the Bill shave really struggled with that. If you can't score easily against one of the worst Defenses in the NFL, then you have confirmed a significant weakness. The Jets, Giants, Bengals and Titans won't be their opponents in the playoffs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I assume if Fitz plays one of his lights out games and they're actually winning at halftime he'll be replaced by Rosen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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