Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Out of curiosity, how has metcalf been doing? The big knock on him, as I recall, is that he could pretty much run 1 route (a Go). The one highlight I saw of him was a long Go route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Who's throwing the ball to Metcalf? Oh damn, we coulda/woulda/shoulda got that guy too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) Not gonna lie, I was huge on Metcalf and honestly thought he was gonna go late first. I would have preferred him in the 2nd rd as well but 100% understand and agree with the Ford pick. Ford was a steal where we landed him and building a young stout O-line for your QB is more important than WR's, that can come later. I'm content, just sucks waiting for development. OP, we'll prob draft a WR with our 1st or 2nd as next year is a very strong WR class. Edited October 12, 2019 by Real McCoy wrong year for draft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Did you guys know we could of had Haolti Ngata instead of Whitner? Wasn't sure if you had heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I still like the Ford pick, at worst you kick him into the LG position next year and let Spain walk. Ideally you could have an O-line of : Dawkins-Ford-Mitch-Feliciano-Ty (and draft a RT again to push Ty.) It's typically not a good draft pick when you project a player on draft day and within 4 months he has to change positions. For an OT, movement inside to guard, particularly RG, is an inefficient use of draft resources. Normally you give a player time but his physical limitations are so obvious they can't keep playing him at RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I'm not going to lie, I think Metcalf and Allen would be a great combo. They're both big, raw physical specimens. I think the chemistry would be good. I like Ford, I think he'll be a beast also. I kind of got turned off by Metcalf because a lot of people had him going to Buffalo at 9, which I was against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Still good with the Ford pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes they should have taken Metcalf. His skillset would have been a perfect fit with Allen. He leads the NFL in ypc and passes thrown to him average 19 air yards......which is A LOT.......for folks who doe-no. Cody Ford is a guard. You REALLY gotta' be good at an interior position like guard to be worthy of a first or second round pick. Those rounds are where you need to get your edge talent(if you aren't drafting a QB)...........you can get good guards in free agency. If Jon F. would not have worked out we would be thanking the heavens that Cody Ford was drafted....because he has the makings of an elite OG THat WR literally runs one route (and does it very well) but we will find one to fill it we are not done yet on offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mramefa Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 If the biggest 20/20 hindsight criticism in the draft is that we got Ford instead of Metcalf, then I'd say we've done pretty damn well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I did find it odd that Metcalf slid so far. Interesting to see him find some success. Proving the doubters wrong and the supporters right. But it's early. His success does not mean the Ford pick was bad or good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 The guy I wanted was his teammate AJ Brown. We’ll see how it all plays out I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, london_bills said: I remember character being mentioned somewhere regards metcalfe. Not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. SpacePuppy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hate the Ford pick AND the Oliver pick....both have done nothing and will likely bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 6 hours ago, finn said: I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? No. Metcalf has shown he cut run fast and straight. That's it. He has looked every bit the mid round deep threat WR. Ford is just getting messed around. He is an NFL Guard. They seem to be persisting with this Tackle idea, which is pointless as he clearly isn't one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes they should have taken Metcalf. His skillset would have been a perfect fit with Allen. He leads the NFL in ypc and passes thrown to him average 19 air yards......which is A LOT.......for folks who doe-no. Cody Ford is a guard. You REALLY gotta' be good at an interior position like guard to be worthy of a first or second round pick. Those rounds are where you need to get your edge talent(if you aren't drafting a QB)...........you can get good guards in free agency. So many old narratives in 1 post.... The team is deliberately cutting the air yards to reduce risk for Josh Allen. Metcalf is 1 dimensional, John Brown gives you everything Metcalf does as a deep threat with a lot more. The world has moved from the silly, only OTs early thing. Guards and Centers can change lines, and fortunately teams are recognising that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 7 hours ago, finn said: I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? No wonder you're disappointed with Ford's development, you think he's already a second year player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I liked the Ford pick. I'd have been fine with Metcalf in the 2nd too. I didn't have a lot between them on my grades. I had AJ Brown even higher that Metcalf and on the exact same grade as Ford so would have also been fine with him. My view on Metcalf has always been the same - he is one dimensional but it is a dimension worth having. The Bills likely thought he was a souped up version of Robert Foster, which I think is true, but the way Foster has disappeared this season clearly suggests there was a need to fill there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I was a huge Metcalf fan as he fitted the athletic freak mold Beane likes (Allen n Edmunds) pretty sure he has good character as well. Ford may turn out but prefer smaller OTs in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Funny thing is my brother (who is a rams fan) predicted buffalo would win the Superbowl if we drafted DK Metcalf. I definitely wish we hadn't traded up for C.Ford rather let the best player on our board continue to fall to us. I do think Metcalf is a rare wr talent that would've paired nicely with Josh Allen. But Ford may still turn out to be a good player for buffalo. But just the dynamics of DK's speed and catch radius would be absurd with Allen's arm strength. Mind you DK is having a good year so far as a rookie. Time will tell... Hopefully we didn't pass up on the next Randy Moss type wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, ChattanoogaBills said: Funny thing is my brother (who is a rams fan) predicted buffalo would win the Superbowl if we drafted DK Metcalf. I definitely wish we hadn't traded up for C.Ford rather let the best player on our board continue to fall to us. I do think Metcalf is a rare wr talent that would've paired nicely with Josh Allen. But Ford may still turn out to be a good player for buffalo. But just the dynamics of DK's speed and catch radius would be absurd with Allen's arm strength. Mind you DK is having a good year so far as a rookie. Time will tell... Hopefully we didn't pass up on the next Randy Moss type wr. DK Metcalf is most decidedly not the next Randy Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Marv had a quote: "If a coach starts listening to the fans, he's going to wind up sitting next to them." Dude/Dudette... I am not sitting with you! LoL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) O linemen take time to develop. Ford will be at minimum a mauler at G. Edited October 12, 2019 by oldmanfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: O linemen take time to develop. Ford will be at minimum a mauler at G. I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I approve of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough. That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough. That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. I get where you’re coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Ford has played 5 games. Let's all settle down It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. Edited October 12, 2019 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Common man!!! Enough of this crap.... And the best part in the is when he says ( it’s too early to be sure ) but then continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. I am still not convinced Dawkins to RT is an answer. Yes it was as a rookie and yes it was pre-season but right from when he got here he was more comfortable on the left that the right. He has a quite pronounced left leg dominance in his stance. Would he be better at RT than Ford had so far? Sure. But I suspect he would be a worse RT than LT. That said if you are moving Dawkins anywhere from his current position the right answer has always been and still is LG. The problem is both our tackles might want to play that spot once Spain leaves in FA. Dawkins was much better last week though. His best game since his rookie year. So there is encouragement there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, the skycap said: Metcalf has been that deep threat for Seahawks the Bills are definitely needing now He has 12 career catches! 12!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, thurst44 said: He has 12 career catches! 12!!!!! How many for TD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I think it was the right move at the time. And still way to early to see how it all pans out. I’m not sure even Beane knew what he would be getting with Jon Feliciano and Ty. We had signed Brown and Beasley, Kroft probably figured Zay would be in the equation.but our online was a disaster last year and had to be fixed at all costs . sometimes I may not see what the coaches are seeing but don’t understand all the rotation back and forth but it would be hard to get Feliciano out there and the only way to get Cody in the field is have him play Rt. i imagine beane was also scouting 2020 and knowing by all accounts it would be a great wr draft. i don’t mind passing on them. Duke Kaboom is now our big body. I will be interested in seeing how the others careers play out though. Brown is a beast and I think the titans got a good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 hours ago, BillsFanSD said: I loved the Cody Ford pick at the time, but I would have liked Mecalf too, and honestly Metcalf is looking like the better choice after a whopping total of five games. Let's give Ford a chance to settle in and find a place on the line, and we can address WR next year in a draft stacked at the position. May I remind you, 12 catches...12!!! But let's press and ready that yellow jacket after a first 5 games that would pan out for a season to 34 catches and 854 yards (which would be a solid rookie season, but not world-changing, and those 11 games have not been played either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: How many for TD? A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, thurst44 said: A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed. Ford's been bad, man. There's no two ways about it. Hopefully, they can salvage him as a guard, otherwise that was a bad 2nd round pick. And I'm not sure how much you read around here, I'm pretty consistently positive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Depends...Ford just stinks at RT. He’s been ok at Guard. The Bills drafted him to be a RR though and it just doesn’t seem like he can get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, finn said: I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? "I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting," Yet here you are... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, mannc said: Not true. Metcalfe got into a 'heated conversation' at his pre draft interview with the 49ers apparently. ? Not going to bode well when others teams that are TEAM FIRST places like buffalo hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Why Metcalf? There are other rookie WRs outplaying him that we took behind Ford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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