ExiledInIllinois Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Marv had a quote: "If a coach starts listening to the fans, he's going to wind up sitting next to them." Dude/Dudette... I am not sitting with you! LoL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) O linemen take time to develop. Ford will be at minimum a mauler at G. Edited October 12, 2019 by oldmanfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: O linemen take time to develop. Ford will be at minimum a mauler at G. I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I approve of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough. That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough. That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. I get where you’re coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Ford has played 5 games. Let's all settle down It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. Edited October 12, 2019 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Common man!!! Enough of this crap.... And the best part in the is when he says ( it’s too early to be sure ) but then continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. I am still not convinced Dawkins to RT is an answer. Yes it was as a rookie and yes it was pre-season but right from when he got here he was more comfortable on the left that the right. He has a quite pronounced left leg dominance in his stance. Would he be better at RT than Ford had so far? Sure. But I suspect he would be a worse RT than LT. That said if you are moving Dawkins anywhere from his current position the right answer has always been and still is LG. The problem is both our tackles might want to play that spot once Spain leaves in FA. Dawkins was much better last week though. His best game since his rookie year. So there is encouragement there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, the skycap said: Metcalf has been that deep threat for Seahawks the Bills are definitely needing now He has 12 career catches! 12!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, thurst44 said: He has 12 career catches! 12!!!!! How many for TD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I think it was the right move at the time. And still way to early to see how it all pans out. I’m not sure even Beane knew what he would be getting with Jon Feliciano and Ty. We had signed Brown and Beasley, Kroft probably figured Zay would be in the equation.but our online was a disaster last year and had to be fixed at all costs . sometimes I may not see what the coaches are seeing but don’t understand all the rotation back and forth but it would be hard to get Feliciano out there and the only way to get Cody in the field is have him play Rt. i imagine beane was also scouting 2020 and knowing by all accounts it would be a great wr draft. i don’t mind passing on them. Duke Kaboom is now our big body. I will be interested in seeing how the others careers play out though. Brown is a beast and I think the titans got a good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 hours ago, BillsFanSD said: I loved the Cody Ford pick at the time, but I would have liked Mecalf too, and honestly Metcalf is looking like the better choice after a whopping total of five games. Let's give Ford a chance to settle in and find a place on the line, and we can address WR next year in a draft stacked at the position. May I remind you, 12 catches...12!!! But let's press and ready that yellow jacket after a first 5 games that would pan out for a season to 34 catches and 854 yards (which would be a solid rookie season, but not world-changing, and those 11 games have not been played either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: How many for TD? A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, thurst44 said: A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed. Ford's been bad, man. There's no two ways about it. Hopefully, they can salvage him as a guard, otherwise that was a bad 2nd round pick. And I'm not sure how much you read around here, I'm pretty consistently positive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Depends...Ford just stinks at RT. He’s been ok at Guard. The Bills drafted him to be a RR though and it just doesn’t seem like he can get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, finn said: I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? "I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting," Yet here you are... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, mannc said: Not true. Metcalfe got into a 'heated conversation' at his pre draft interview with the 49ers apparently. ? Not going to bode well when others teams that are TEAM FIRST places like buffalo hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Why Metcalf? There are other rookie WRs outplaying him that we took behind Ford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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