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Not gonna lie, I was huge on Metcalf and honestly thought he was gonna go late first. I would have preferred him in the 2nd rd as well but 100% understand and agree with the Ford pick.

 

Ford was a steal where we landed him and building a young stout O-line for your QB is more important than WR's, that can come later. 

 

I'm content, just sucks waiting for development. 

 

OP, we'll prob draft a WR with our 1st or 2nd as next year is a very strong WR class.  

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3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I still like the Ford pick, at worst you kick him into the LG position next year and let Spain walk. Ideally you could have an O-line of Dawkins-Ford-Mitch-Feliciano-Ty (and draft a RT again to push Ty.) 

 

It's typically not a good draft pick when you project a player on draft day and within 4 months he has to change positions.  For an OT, movement inside to guard, particularly RG, is an inefficient use of draft resources.  

 

Normally you give a player time but his physical limitations are so obvious they can't keep playing him at RT.  

 

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I'm not going to lie, I think Metcalf and Allen would be a great combo. They're both big, raw physical specimens. I think the chemistry would be good. I like Ford, I think he'll be a beast also. I kind of got turned off by Metcalf because a lot of people had him going to Buffalo at 9, which I was against. 

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4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes they should have taken Metcalf.    His skillset would have been a perfect fit with Allen.   He leads the NFL in ypc and passes thrown to him average 19 air yards......which is A LOT.......for folks who doe-no.   Cody Ford is a guard.   You REALLY gotta' be good at an interior position like guard to be worthy of a first or second round pick.   Those rounds are where you need to get your edge talent(if you aren't drafting a QB)...........you can get good guards in free agency.   

If Jon F. would not have worked out we would be thanking the heavens that Cody Ford was drafted....because he has the makings of an elite OG

 

THat WR literally runs one route (and does it very well) but we will find one to fill it we are not done yet on offense

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I did find it odd that Metcalf slid so far. Interesting to see him find some success. Proving the doubters wrong and the supporters right. But it's early.

 

His success does not mean the Ford pick was bad or good.

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6 hours ago, finn said:

I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? 

No. Metcalf has shown he cut run fast and straight. That's it. 

 

He has looked every bit the mid round deep threat WR. 

 

Ford is just getting messed around. He is an NFL Guard. They seem to be persisting with this Tackle idea, which is pointless as he clearly isn't one

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6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes they should have taken Metcalf.    His skillset would have been a perfect fit with Allen.   He leads the NFL in ypc and passes thrown to him average 19 air yards......which is A LOT.......for folks who doe-no.   Cody Ford is a guard.   You REALLY gotta' be good at an interior position like guard to be worthy of a first or second round pick.   Those rounds are where you need to get your edge talent(if you aren't drafting a QB)...........you can get good guards in free agency.   

So many old narratives in 1 post.... 

 

The team is deliberately cutting the air yards to reduce risk for Josh Allen. Metcalf is 1 dimensional, John Brown gives you everything Metcalf does as a deep threat with a lot more. 

 

The world has moved from the silly, only OTs early thing. Guards and Centers can change lines, and fortunately teams are recognising that

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7 hours ago, finn said:

I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? 

 

No wonder you're disappointed with Ford's development, you think he's already a second year player...

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I liked the Ford pick. I'd have been fine with Metcalf in the 2nd too. I didn't have a lot between them on my grades. I had AJ Brown even higher that Metcalf and on the exact same grade as Ford so would have also been fine with him. 

 

My view on Metcalf has always been the same - he is one dimensional but it is a dimension worth having. The Bills likely thought he was a souped up version of Robert Foster, which I think is true, but the way Foster has disappeared this season clearly suggests there was a need to fill there. 

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Funny thing is my brother (who is a rams fan) predicted buffalo would win the Superbowl if we drafted DK Metcalf. I definitely wish we hadn't traded up for C.Ford rather let the best player on our board continue to fall to us.

I do think Metcalf is a rare wr talent that would've paired nicely with Josh Allen. But Ford may still turn out to be a good player for buffalo.

But just the dynamics of DK's speed and catch radius would be absurd with Allen's arm strength. Mind you DK is having a good year so far as a rookie. 

Time will tell... Hopefully we didn't pass up on the next Randy Moss type wr.

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49 minutes ago, ChattanoogaBills said:

Funny thing is my brother (who is a rams fan) predicted buffalo would win the Superbowl if we drafted DK Metcalf. I definitely wish we hadn't traded up for C.Ford rather let the best player on our board continue to fall to us.

I do think Metcalf is a rare wr talent that would've paired nicely with Josh Allen. But Ford may still turn out to be a good player for buffalo.

But just the dynamics of DK's speed and catch radius would be absurd with Allen's arm strength. Mind you DK is having a good year so far as a rookie. 

Time will tell... Hopefully we didn't pass up on the next Randy Moss type wr.

 

DK Metcalf is most decidedly not the next Randy Moss. 

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4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

O linemen take time to develop.  Ford will be at minimum a mauler at G.  

 

I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. 

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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree. The question being posed here is whether that is value. I am fine with a dominant interior player in the 2nd round, but there are those who say you go for the highest ceiling guy when factoring in positional impact. That is the argument for DK. 

You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role

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Just now, oldmanfan said:

You can find straight line WRs elsewhere and when Foster heals up he plays that role

 

For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough.

 

That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. 

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9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For what it is worth I agree with you. I think DK is better than Robert Foster but in terms of style of player they are very similar. I am just putting the other side of the argument to you. There are those that say unless an interior olineman is special - Q Nelson or Zack Martin etc - they do not justify selection in the first two rounds because they don't impact games enough.

 

That is the debate. Not whether Ford can be a good guard which most believe he can. 

I get where you’re coming from

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10 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

Ford has played 5 games.   Let's all settle down

It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will  still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. 

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30 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

It maybe just 5 games but it's pretty obvious that at this particular juncture in his season he's not a RT, not even close. I think everybody has accepted that he may very well end up being a very good Guard. Unfortunately Dawkins isn't a franchise LT either but could more than handle RT duties better than Ford. I guess the search will  still be ongoing for the elusive franchise LT. 

 

I am still not convinced Dawkins to RT is an answer. Yes it was as a rookie and yes it was pre-season but right from when he got here he was more comfortable on the left that the right. He has a quite pronounced left leg dominance in his stance. Would he be better at RT than Ford had so far? Sure. But I suspect he would be a worse RT than LT.

 

That said if you are moving Dawkins anywhere from his current position the right answer has always been and still is LG. The problem is both our tackles might want to play that spot once Spain leaves in FA. Dawkins was much better last week though. His best game since his rookie year. So there is encouragement there. 

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I think it was the right move at the time. And still way to early to see how it all pans out. I’m not sure even Beane knew what he would be getting with Jon Feliciano and Ty. We had signed Brown and Beasley, Kroft probably figured Zay would be in the equation.but our online was a disaster last year and had to be fixed at all costs .

 

sometimes I may not see what the coaches are seeing but don’t understand all the rotation back and forth but it would be hard to get Feliciano out there and the only way to get Cody in the field is have him play Rt.

 

i imagine beane was also scouting 2020 and knowing by all accounts it would be a great wr draft.

 

i don’t mind passing on them. Duke Kaboom is now our big body. I will be interested in seeing how the others careers play out though. Brown is a beast and I think the titans got a good pick.

 

 


 

 

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10 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

loved the Cody Ford pick at the time, but I would have liked Mecalf too, and honestly Metcalf is looking like the better choice after a whopping total of five games.  Let's give Ford a chance to settle in and find a place on the line, and we can address WR next year in a draft stacked at the position.

May I remind you, 12 catches...12!!! But let's press and ready that yellow jacket after a first 5 games that would pan out for a season to 34 catches and 854 yards (which would be a solid rookie season, but not world-changing, and those 11 games have not been played either)

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4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

How many for TD?

 

A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. 

 

I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed.

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Just now, thurst44 said:

A whopping 2. Karlos Williams had 5 TDs (at least) after his first five games. 

 

I'm always in awe of fans who during a 4-1 start will decide to fixate on finding something bad, especially when it's as specious an argument as judging a draft pick after five weeks. I was close watching the games the last few days, and Ford has definitely been a weak spot of the line (loving Morse, Feliciano, and Dawkins with my untrained eye), but then at this point in his career Jason Peters was still a failed tight end. It's kind of more likely that he would struggle in his first five games than succeed.

 

Ford's been bad, man. There's no two ways about it. Hopefully, they can salvage him as a guard, otherwise that was a bad 2nd round pick.

 

And I'm not sure how much you read around here, I'm pretty consistently positive.

 

 

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11 hours ago, finn said:

I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting, and I think Beane et all have done a great job overall drafting high-character, high-motor guys. But I do think they might have whiffed when they drafted Cody Ford instead of WR DK Metcalf in the second round last year. It's too early to be sure, and Ford could eventually become a monster, but we really could use a big, fast receiver like Metcalf, and we already had a nicely developing guard in Wyatt Teller. (Yes, they were/are hoping Ford will be RT, but his feet seem just too slow for that position.) I'll take a whiff in the second for a hit in virtually every other draft spot, but, let's face it, they seem to have blown it in the second. Do you agree? 

"I'm not usually a big fan of hindsight drafting,"

 

Yet here you are...

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