CorkScrewHill Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 9:41 AM, Ray Finkel said: Lamar didn’t have a problem Everyone in hindsight would have picked Mahomes and Watson .. except of course the experts were very strong on Trubisky for that draft. It is easy to backseat drive two years later. Even if you thought jackson was the best .. you didn't know. The fact that jackson is having the year he is having doesn't chnage what Josh is doing. He came in as the rawest of the draft choices with the highest ceiling .. he has grown which is what we should all be looking for Background: From this article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-mitch-trubisky-2017-nfl-draft-20191112-mkiclk4l4jb3bndxf7azbtdw6m-story.html "In more than a few circles, Trubisky was tabbed as the best pro prospect, lauded for his accuracy and quick release, his mobility and pocket awareness. In the spring of 2017, a wide majority of major publications pegged him as the top quarterback in their mock drafts. Sports Illustrated. Fox Sports. The Washington Post. USA Today. CBS Sports. The Los Angeles Times. ESPN’s Mel Kiper also arrived for draft weekend with Trubisky as his top-rated quarterback and No. 19 prospect overall, followed by Mahomes (No. 26), Watson (No. 34) and Pittsburgh’s Nathan Peterman (No. 59). His colleague Todd McShay ranked the top five quarterbacks as Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Kizer and Tennessee’s Josh Dobbs. But in McShay’s opinion at that time, none was worthy of a first-round grade. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah agreed. Jeremiah, who spent time as a college scout with the Ravens, Browns and Eagles, bunched three quarterbacks in his ranking of the top 50 prospects: Watson 28th, Trubisky 32nd and Kizer 33rd. Mahomes? Not even on that list." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 hours ago, ganesh said: We do...use Knox and Kroft....Kroft needs to be part of this offense.... On what milk carton can you find Sweeney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well... this maybe says something about his INT https://theathletic.com/1407189/2019/11/24/seven-observations-from-the-bills-win-ed-oliver-pops-off-the-screen-defense-borders-on-dominant-once-again/ 4. Allen, despite brief mistakes, shows poise and potential ... He wasn’t without his faults, as Allen committed his first interception since Week 5 — though the encouraging part is that there was a great deal of thought behind the interception. “The coverage that I thought they were in was quarters, and their safety was committing to the run. That’s our cue to kind of put it over the top, and my eyes were on (the safety) and I didn’t see the backside safety moving post high,” Allen said. “They disguised it well, they made a play. Obviously it’s one that I want back, but it’s one that I’d probably do again.” The interception isn’t the desired result, but that line of thinking shows the inherent progress Allen is making in diagnosing defenses — needing Denver to disguise it to make the error. It’s a negative and a positive play all at once because he’s thinking through the play at an advanced level, which will teach the quarterback to look for those coverages moving forward. Allen did have another turnover-worthy throw that he got away with but protected the ball otherwise. He continues to shows signs of improvement, even through errors, to help the Bills come away with a victory. Translation: the receiver ran the wrong route. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Allen was 7-for-8 passing on 3rd down with four passing first downs and three rushing first downs on 3rd down today. 12 total 3rd downs with 7 converted for a 58.3% conversion rate for Allen on those plays today. I believe we converted three or four 3rd and 10 or mores, and one 3rd and 9. The two TDs were on 3rd and long, and 2nd and 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said: On what milk carton can you find Sweeney? Yeah I feel ya here. He's been inactive since Kroft came back. I see Sweeney as the Lee Smith equivalent in time. Needs to get a little bigger and stronger to equal Lee's blocking ability. Already demonstrated he is a much better receiver than Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: Translation: the receiver ran the wrong route. That was a strange play. It didn't look like a wrong route or a bad read. It just looked like a physical mistake where one got away. It was into the wind and if it gets away by 2 feet, that can turn into 4. That INT didn't bother me so much as it was clearly just something out of the ordinary. The one Denver dropped was the bad throw of the day...it was going towards the scoreboard side on the Bills sideline. That was Josh's only "bad" throw yesterday. Edited November 25, 2019 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Hes made some big time throws a couple weeks in a row now. That narrative that he can't throw the football on point is looking pretty stupid now. Hes growing before our eyes and is shaping up to be scary good. Enjoy the ride guys! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: That was a strange play. It didn't look like a wrong route or a bad read. It just looked like a physical mistake where one got away. It was into the wind and if it gets away by 2 feet, that can turn into 4. That INT didn't bother me so much as it was clearly just something out of the ordinary. The one Denver dropped was the bad throw of the day...it was going towards the scoreboard side on the Bills sideline. That was Josh's only "bad" throw yesterday. I haven't heard Josh blame a teammate yet. If it had been a pass that got away from him, I feel he would have said as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said: Translation: the receiver ran the wrong route. Sure sounds like it. Certainly makes me feel better about that play. The other almost INT was a terrible throw... but it was because of his decision to throw it, not so much accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I dunno if Allen is good (he's been playing better lately), but the rest of the offense around him is slowly emerging as being pretty good. John Brown has been excellent. Cole Beasley is a weapon from the slot. Devin Singletary has changed our running game since emerging as the feature back against Washington. Dawson Knox has been very good for a rookie tight end. If we can add an elite WR with some size to pair with Brown on the outside, and the other guys get a bit better next year (particularly Singletary and Knox), this offense could be exceptional next season. Allen is in a great position to succeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 In some ways Allen reminds me of a newer version of Steve McNair: He may not wow you with 300+ passing games, but he is clutch and is a leader of men, and is a winner. For the record, McNair had a 60.1% for his career, right in line where Allen is now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: In some ways Allen reminds me of a newer version of Steve McNair: He may not wow you with 300+ passing games, but he is clutch and is a leader of men, and is a winner. For the record, McNair had a 60.1% for his career, right in line where Allen is now Different era so completion % isn’t really comparable. But I love the cross racial comparison and it’s an interesting one. I think this Dallas game will be huge for Allen. Dallas will score points so Allen will have to lead this team to 21+ points in my opinion. This is the biggest start of his career imo. All eyes on them against a talented team on their “day.” Great test. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Different era so completion % isn’t really comparable. But I love the cross racial comparison and it’s an interesting one. I think this Dallas game will be huge for Allen. Dallas will score points so Allen will have to lead this team to 21+ points in my opinion. This is the biggest start of his career imo. All eyes on them against a talented team on their “day.” Great test. Agree, and also a big day for the entire organization as a whole. Some Bills fans have complained about the lack of notoriety they are getting at 8-3. Skeptics are everywhere about their schedule and about Josh Allen. Thursday can potentially change the minds of a good amount of those skeptics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Sry for OT, but after 4 games IIRC there was somebody on these forums who posted his own QB ratings with some detailed chart. I was hoping that he would do it again after ahlf season and later. Anybody knows what I am talking about? Did I miss it second time or it never happened? Would love to see that chart updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said: In some ways Allen reminds me of a newer version of Steve McNair: He may not wow you with 300+ passing games, but he is clutch and is a leader of men, and is a winner. For the record, McNair had a 60.1% for his career, right in line where Allen is now I respect McNair and what he accomplished, but I would not be satisfied if that's Allen's ceiling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: I respect McNair and what he accomplished, but I would not be satisfied if that's Allen's ceiling. I do agree: McNair was 90-62-1 as a starter, played 10 playoff games. I would like Josh to have those numbers but some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Am I reading this correctly? Is Josh Allen #1 in the league on completions for a 1st down per attempt on 3rd and 8+? http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year= Edited November 26, 2019 by Scott7975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Am I reading this correctly? Is Josh Allen #1 in the league on completions for a 1st down per attempt on 3rd and 8+? http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year= Without looking at the stats I would say yes. He has had a ridiculous amount of them this year. And if they counted scrambles where he got the first on third and 8 or more there would be numerous more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DuckyBoys Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 79.2% today Another pair of tds no picks 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:56 AM, jrober38 said: All three interceptions were prayers into double coverage. He still routinely throws balls back across the field when running to his right. My issue is that he makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. There's hardly any evidence he's learning anything from his mistakes. Have you changed your mind on him yet? Today I'm pretty thankful Josh Allen is improving and has learned from his mistakes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mramefa Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 615% completion percentage is pretty damn good. Possibly unprecedented. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Holy crap! I knew it’d take a jump today, but that’s insane!!! Brady no longer the goat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Completing 6.15X the number of passes you throw is quite an accomplishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 4:11 AM, Chicken Boo said: I respect McNair and what he accomplished, but I would not be satisfied if that's Allen's ceiling. Having watched Big Ben for thee last 15 years, I relate Josh a lot to Rothelisberger and his style of play. If he can accomplish half of Ben's success, the Bills will be very happy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Jumping a whole percentage point in one game this late in the season is crazy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: Completing 6.15X the number of passes you throw is quite an accomplishment. My bad! Didn't even notice I left out the decimal point til just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 What we're starting to see is consistent efficiency coming from Allen. Pretty exciting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 What’s wrong here? The numbers are going down when Josh’s % was the best of his career! 79% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Shepard Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Would be really great if he could bring that up to 65% by the end of the season. That would be stellar improvement over last year, not that it hasn't already been the case. He'd quiet the draft experts right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 44 minutes ago, Commander Shepard said: He'd quiet the draft experts right quick. No he wouldn't..... see "confirmation bias." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 46 minutes ago, Commander Shepard said: Would be really great if he could bring that up to 65% by the end of the season. That would be stellar improvement over last year, not that it hasn't already been the case. He'd quiet the draft experts right quick. Not concerned about it Allen is not running some qb friendly stat pad offense 60%+ is more than adequate 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: What’s wrong here? The numbers are going down when Josh’s % was the best of his career! 79% His completion percentage was 60.2% prior to yesterday's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Have you changed your mind on him yet? Today I'm pretty thankful Josh Allen is improving and has learned from his mistakes. I'm pretty close. He's been playing great lately. Yesterday was probably his best game as a pro (I said the same thing the week before). He looks completely in command of the offense and the change in personnel having 3 receivers on the field more often seems to have shaken the shackles loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 the dallas game was josh's best game of his career so far....lots of upside give big kudos to daboll moving up to pressbox and getting many plays off before the mic cuts off at 15 seconds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Also of note, we don’t dink and dunk. Allen throws a ton of intermediate passes. His completion percentage isn’t the benefactor of 10-15 automatic completions per game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Have you changed your mind on him yet? Today I'm pretty thankful Josh Allen is improving and has learned from his mistakes. Just give it more time, he will find another way to ***** on our QB. Trolls will troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Josh Allen has 24 TD (rushing and passing), which is more scores than the following notable QB’s: Tom Brady Matt Ryan Kirk Cousins Philip Rivers Derek Carr Jared Goff Baker Mayfield Aaron Rodgers Carson Wentz Jimmy G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Doc said: His completion percentage was 60.2% prior to yesterday's game. Thanks... I was super confused about what the heck he was saying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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