I don't like Josh Rosen but I feel bad for him

[Punching Bag]

17 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Looking at the sarcasm I suspect you were one of those who hated the Allen pick and are simply in denial now. 

 

I stated I thought he was another California flop.  I think you are counting only those in repeated arguments with you not entire board so you are exaggerating.

[BillsFanNC]

A young QB who by most accounts is a major douche that is stuck on a Miami Dolphins team that has a chance to be historically bad this year.  This sounds like a combination that Bills fans should be celebrating. 

 

I hate the ***** Dolphins. The misery in south Florida brings a smile to my face.

[Epstein's Mother]

Things could be worse for the kid.  He could've been drafted by the Bills which means he'd be getting lit up on this board for his crappy play right now.

[colin]

he sucks and he's a *****.

[MR8]

Entitled arrogant spoiled brat gets dropped into a bad situation for the first time in his life and has to deal with adversity... zero ***** given here.. 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Nobody can obviously say exact number.

 

But in general Nihilarian is right. Find the draft thread and the moment we were on the clock and we new it was going to be either Josh. Also look at posts shortly after selection. There were like 30-40 posts screaming Rosen a IIRC only Nihilarian and maybe one other guy said Allen is better choice.

 

I think it was quite a clear indication what fans thought at that time. 

Thank you! 

 

 

 

On another note, I can recall posting in thread after thread before the draft that Allen was the object of being on a bad team at Wyoming where he had no solid players around him on offense. Basically, exactly what he had in his first season in Buffalo with a bad line, lousy receivers and no run game. Actually, everyone that had touched the ball on offense at Wyoming with Allen in 2016 was gone for 2017 and he was forced to play with first year players learning their jobs.

 

Sadly, though, not many Bills fans were buying it because of his supposed bad accuracy stats at Wyoming. Never mind the fact that Allen didn't throw a lot short passes, bubble screens like Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold did in College that helped their stats and completion percentage. Allen was in a pro style passing scheme with a lot of deep throws at Wyoming. It wasn't just his big arm, physical traits either. It was also his rah rah, never give up attitude in which he basically carried his team to winning seasons and bowl games.(something that Rosen did not do)

 

In my view, anybody that really deeply researched Allen loved what he brought to the game. Allen, from his being a 180 lb skinny kid who was forced to attend a junior college  his first year because nobody wanted him. Allen sent out over 1000 emails to colleges asking for a scholarship only to find two colleges in the entire country to invite him for an interview . Then one rescinded the offer once they found out he was interviewing with Wyoming. 

 

Like I said, Rosen was on a bad team in 2018 just like Josh Allen and which one rose from the ashes? Rosen could have worked to advance his craft at Arizona and instead the team that drafted him chose to jettison him. In my view, Rosen is an entitled brat who deserves the Dolphins. 

 

I stand by what I stated, that the majority of this board hated Allen before the draft and were very upset that the Bills passed on Rosen to draft Allen.

I'm just happy the Bills GM, scouts knew what they were doing. Beane rules! 

[Big Gun]

Miami stinks. Hate all their players, coaches, front office, fans, hate em all! 

 

After 4 SB losses and 17 years of futility I don't feel sorry for anybody/team that loses on purpose or otherwise.

 

Eff em all, GO BILLS!

[Dopey]

I do feel for him or anyone put in the situation he was put in. I'll admit I wanted Rosen over Allen. My only concern at the time was a history of concussions for Rosen. This is why I'm not a GM or pretend to be. I mean, there's a ton of people on this board who thought Star was brought in to terrorize QB's. Having said this, if Allen gets drafted by Arizona then gets traded to the fish, does anyone think he does any better? Probably not. I am soooo glad we took Allen, by the way.

[CIrvine]

9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I don't follow Alabama. I hear a lot of people call Tua a bust in the making.

 

Compared to Tua,  is Rosen better or worse?

A new report says they are tanking for Trevor in 2021.  So it looks like one more year in Miami for Rosen if he survives.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Rosen was honestly my choice over Allen for the pick at 7. Since then, I can happily admit that I was wrong about Allen, and I'm even starting to drink the Kool-Aid about him being a franchise QB.

 

That said, a lot of the complaints that I heard about Rosen seemed unfair. That his Judaism was going to get in the way in a heavily Christian locker room. That his family being well off meant that he didn't "need football" and would be less driven to succeed.

 

To me, it's now more telling that the Phins won't replace Fitz for him, but it's hard to deny that the Dolphins look incredibly dysfunctional right now. They are very clearly and purposefully shedding talent for the future, and while they aren't alone, they are doing it hardcore and looking dreadful in the process. Now, every player with the talent to be valuable elsewhere is desperately looking to leave. I doubt that Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes would look halfway decent in that situation.

 

 

[starrymessenger]

Football gods are busting a gut laughing at Rosen right now. I can't remember a young QB more in need of correction attitude wise than Rosen, if one believes what was being said about him (at least some of which was definitely true). I also can't remember a young QB being more humiliated than Rosen, especially given his self importance. And the football gods are probably not through with him yet, if reports that the Fins are out to draft another QB in the first round are true. Maybe if it doesn't kill him it will make him stronger (and better).

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

Football gods are busting a gut laughing at Rosen right now. I can't remember a young QB more in need of correction attitude wise than Rosen, if one believes what was being said about him (at least some of which was definitely true). I also can't remember a young QB being more humiliated than Rosen, especially given his self importance. And the football gods are probably not through with him yet, if reports that the Fins are out to draft another QB in the first round are true. Maybe if it doesn't kill him it will make him stronger (and better).

Certainly seems like it couldn’t have happened to a better guy. 

[dickleyjones]

i'd like for him to be good - Miami sucking is just boring. i prefer rivals that matter.

[Seven-N-Nine]

I wanted him over Allen on draft night, but then I heard his comments when he finally did get drafted and said eeewwwwww.

[dave mcbride]

A lot of people here are acting as if they know Rosen personally and think that pre-draft character sabotage by anonymous scouts jockeying for leverage is reflective of who people really are. Sheesh.

[BillsfanAZ]

I am not a fan of Rosen but I think he got a raw deal in AZ. Either AZ realizes they screwed up in drafting him because he wasnt the QB they thought or Murray was too tempting. I think the only way Rosen has some success is being a back up for a decent team and play due to an injury. I dont see Rosen as the type of QB that can make plays out of nothing or the kind of QB that can carry a team. 

[Just Joshin']

What dumpster fire will he play for next year?  Early guess is Tampa Bay.

[TheBrownBear]

I'm a UCLA guy and I'll be the first to admit that Rosen doesn't come across as particularly likeable.  I do think he has great arm talent, but he just isn't a leader on the field or in the locker room by all accounts.  And he throws some truly baffling balls under pressure.  Just completely chokes when there's a free rusher coming his way.  Still, the guy has been stuck in three truly horrendous situations in a row.  The UCLA program was crumbling under Mora when he stepped in and he still managed to compile a winning record when he wasn't injured (see UCLA now without Rosen).  AZ was a complete mess and now Miami is even worse.  I wouldn't be shocked if he had enough of football after this year is through.

[Doc]

I feel as bad for him as I do any guy who thinks he is going to have a career in the NFL and doesn't make it for whatever reason.  Sometimes life doesn't go the way you planned/wanted.

[Augie]

We will never know what might have happened had he started out or landed with a Patriot/Chief type of situation to develop, but he got the opposite of that.....TWICE!  That’s some lousy luck!  I’m curious how that might have changed the way he looks. Maybe he does end up in Green Bay or somewhere as a backup and emerge later as a viable NFL QB down the road. 

 

I don’t hate him because his family has money. He has a quirky personality, I get it, but I’ve never even met the guy so I won’t judge him. It’s not a good look, but I don’t know enough to judge. I’ve heard him in interviews where he sounds like a decent guy, despite his general image. 

 

 

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Edited September 17, 2019 by Augie

[GaryPinC]

36 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I am not a fan of Rosen but I think he got a raw deal in AZ. Either AZ realizes they screwed up in drafting him because he wasnt the QB they thought or Murray was too tempting. I think the only way Rosen has some success is being a back up for a decent team and play due to an injury. I dont see Rosen as the type of QB that can make plays out of nothing or the kind of QB that can carry a team. 

Come on.  They traded him one year after drafting him 10th overall.  There were no guarantees with Murray either.  Actions speak the loudest.  

[PetermansRedemption]

43 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

A lot of people here are acting as if they know Rosen personally and think that pre-draft character sabotage by anonymous scouts jockeying for leverage is reflective of who people really are. Sheesh.

Has he ever come across as anything but a smug, entitled ***hole? If he has, I haven’t seen it. He is like the anti Josh Allen

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, CIrvine said:

A new report says they are tanking for Trevor in 2021.  So it looks like one more year in Miami for Rosen if he survives.

Now that I can see. That kid's legit.

[BillsfaninSB]

How can you not feel bad for him?   He is a human being and putting his health on the line for an organization that is quitting.  I would demand a trade like everyone else.   Not worth the multiple concussions he is at risk of getting. 

[Prickly Pete]

15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I can't imagine what it's like to be Josh Rosen right now......

 

He is going to walk away with a lot of money in his pocket and still be absolutely miserable.

 

 

 

I don't like Josh Rosen, and I don't feel bad for him.

In fact, I would instantly trade places with him, and I really like my life as it is.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by 32ABBA

[foreboding]

I think his ceiling is our current backup QB.

[Lurker]

Huh?   

 

I like Rosen.    I hope he lives.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Actually it was more like 95% of the board because I can count on one hand the number of posters who were behind drafting Josh Allen before the draft and the majority of this board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen. Some were even touting the Bills give up the 2018 farm and their 2019 first round pick too.

 

The only posters I can recall wanting to draft Allen before the draft were theBandit27, metzelaars_lives, myself and perhaps two others who's names I can't recall. 

 

YoloinOhio was touting Rosen so often that he stated he was "gut punched" when the Bills drafted Allen. This board was filled with Bills fans complaining about the Bills drafting Allen. One well known poster noted for his NFL player acumen stated that he had Allen as a third round draft pick because of his accuracy.

 

Looking at the sarcasm I suspect you were one of those who hated the Allen pick and are simply in denial now. 

 

That's how I recall things Nihilarian.  I was a lurker back then not a poster and when the Bills grabbed Allen I was thrilled.  I had watched him on those late night ESPN Mountain West games and thought the kid was amazing.  It never occurred to me to even think about accuracy when he was throwing 30 yard missiles on the run for TD's at Wyoming.!  I kept thinking he would make a great Bills QB.

 

Then on the big night I come here after the pick all excited and the place was melting down!  I mean the angst & venom being spewed was off the chart.  And a whole lot of people kept going on about how the Bills had taken the wrong Josh.  And in the following days the angry fans posting here were joined almost unanimously by the Bills print, radio & video media!  It just seemed like they were piling on Allen and it often came down to Josh versus Josh.

 

So I've got to admit my dislike of Rosen wasn't rational but was based on the fact that everyone was saying we should have drafted him instead of Allen.  To be honest I do feel bad for the guy.  But as others have noted Allen stepped into just as dysfunctional an offensive situation in Buffalo (really Peterman beat Allen out fair & square?) as Rosen  did in Arizona.  And  it was a measure of Allen's fortitude that he made lemonade from lemons.

 

As an aside, I sort of get how the draft Rosen folks felt.  When the Bill's hired McDermitt I was furious.  I thought it was a terrible pick.  Not another D coordinator!  But now I know I was 100% wrong and McClapy was a great hire.  And I see a similar reaction by most of the "wrong Josh" crowd now that Allen is making progress and on his way to being a very good QB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stinky finger]

17 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

I see him as a high level backup at some point in his career.

 

Come on. Get real.

 

He's nothing more than a mid level backup. 

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

A lot of people here are acting as if they know Rosen personally and think that pre-draft character sabotage by anonymous scouts jockeying for leverage is reflective of who people really are. Sheesh.

 

I agree. I don't know him from Adam.

 

I will tell you this. I'd rather have Adam.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...feel bad?...NOT a chance.......Putz Boy whined during the draft about "nine mistakes taken before me"......condescending, arrogant, disrespectful POS about the game and QB's who paved the way for megamillions...."keep the lumps flowin' "......hope Miami tags him for 32 years..............

Edited September 17, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Buffarukus]

9 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Actually it was more like 95% of the board because I can count on one hand the number of posters who were behind drafting Josh Allen before the draft and the majority of this board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen. Some were even touting the Bills give up the 2018 farm and their 2019 first round pick too.

 

The only posters I can recall wanting to draft Allen before the draft were theBandit27, metzelaars_lives, myself and perhaps two others who's names I can't recall. 

 

YoloinOhio was touting Rosen so often that he stated he was "gut punched" when the Bills drafted Allen. This board was filled with Bills fans complaining about the Bills drafting Allen. One well known poster noted for his NFL player acumen stated that he had Allen as a third round draft pick because of his accuracy.

 

Looking at the sarcasm I suspect you were one of those who hated the Allen pick and are simply in denial now. 

 

ill go in the 95%. personally i think i felt the same as alot of people. we just drafted a tall strong armed qb who had accuracy issues and could be a project...it didnt work out so well. if you had to ask what are the differences it soley on coaching and intangables at this point, but i dont watch a ton of college so maybe im wrong.

 

all i knew is the last thing i wanted from a qb at that point is inaccuracy. so far so good but EJ puts the opinion into context. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Buffarukus

[syhuang]

10 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Actually it was more like 95% of the board because I can count on one hand the number of posters who were behind drafting Josh Allen before the draft and the majority of this board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen. Some were even touting the Bills give up the 2018 farm and their 2019 first round pick too.

 

The only posters I can recall wanting to draft Allen before the draft were theBandit27, metzelaars_lives, myself and perhaps two others who's names I can't recall. 

 

YoloinOhio was touting Rosen so often that he stated he was "gut punched" when the Bills drafted Allen. This board was filled with Bills fans complaining about the Bills drafting Allen. One well known poster noted for his NFL player acumen stated that he had Allen as a third round draft pick because of his accuracy.

 

Looking at the sarcasm I suspect you were one of those who hated the Allen pick and are simply in denial now. 

 

Yolo? I remember it was 26 who spent lots of time complaining about Allen and posting many tweets to promote Rosen last season. Even when Rosen didn't play well during the season, he still managed to find tweets saying Rosen's underneath numbers were good or it's Cardinals OL's fault. I recall there was a long running thread about Rosen's era in Arizona that got bumped by 26 every time Rosen had a ok game or had few good throws.