HappyDays Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Looks he could contribute on special teams too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bargepole Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He’s set to earn over $125000 USD or close to £100000 in British coinage. Dont feel sorry. He would have earned 3 to 4 times that much if he'd stayed in Rugby. Even more if he had gone to the French Top 14 League, where they have no salary cap. I'm surprised he agreed to sign as the 11th exempt player, meaning he gets no game time at all this season, but he's obviously made a career choice, and a big commitment to the Bills. Just hope it all pays off this time next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, bargepole said: He would have earned 3 to 4 times that much if he'd stayed in Rugby. Even more if he had gone to the French Top 14 League, where they have no salary cap. I'm surprised he agreed to sign as the 11th exempt player, meaning he gets no game time at all this season, but he's obviously made a career choice, and a big commitment to the Bills. Just hope it all pays off this time next year. Wade said it's his personal goal to make it to the NFL. Right now that means more to him than money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: must be completely coincidental. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Saw Tyron Johnson play a lot in high school here in New Orleans. 5 star recruit, went to LSU, but transferred out after one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Saw Tyron Johnson play a lot in high school here in New Orleans. 5 star recruit, went to LSU, but transferred out after one season. So say more - what was he like as a player then? Here's some highlight clips: and previous year, where he was behind Washington: Judging by what I see here, I would say he fits one pattern that Beane seems to look for in a player, a physically talented guy who may be flying "under the radar" a bit due to the program he was in, the personnel ahead of him, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Did Easley sign anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So say more - what was he like as a player then? Here's some highlight clips: and previous year, where he was behind Washington: Judging by what I see here, I would say he fits one pattern that Beane seems to look for in a player, a physically talented guy who may be flying "under the radar" a bit due to the program he was in, the personnel ahead of him, or both. ...LMAO!....McBeane laboring on Labor Day...Buddy started hibernating in November when our season was over, got up a 9 on Draft Day and was back in bed by Monday until next year.....for all of his purported faults, Whaley was always searching for personnel......Buddy endorsed Sominex............ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So say more - what was he like as a player then? Here's some highlight clips: and previous year, where he was behind Washington: Judging by what I see here, I would say he fits one pattern that Beane seems to look for in a player, a physically talented guy who may be flying "under the radar" a bit due to the program he was in, the personnel ahead of him, or both. He looks average to be honest, but at least he has some height to him, to go along with his straight-line 4.3 speed. Edited September 2, 2019 by BurpleBull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Thanks to everyone posting here. It's interesting information. I gotta say, even after reading a variety of posts here, I'm losing interest in paying attention to the PS, etc. I'm losing interest because I have great confidence at this point in Beane. He and McDermott have a reason for everything they do, it's a carefully considered reason, and it seems to be proven right over time most of the time. They know what they want, and they have the courage to make the moves they need to make. Jaquon Johnson, Singletary/McCoy, McKenzie, Ryan Bates, Tyron Johnson. McBeane see things that most of us don't, and they find performance where we tend think guys are busts. All the while, the talent keeps getting better and better. Look at Duke Williams. I really want him to make it. I love the idea of how he plays. Well, he signs with the Bills, thinking he's got a shot, and all of a sudden Brown and Beasley show up. So he signs with the practice squad, thinking his opportunity on the 53 is around the corner, and Tyron Johnson shows up. It's compete, compete, compete or you're gone. Go Bills! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Sign Carlie lloyd to PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, BurpleBull said: He looks average to be honest, but at least he has some height to him, to go along with his straight-line 4.3 speed. ...then again, Benjamin was 4.4.....4 MINUTES and 24 seconds.......so he's an improvement, right?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 So how does the practice squad work? Do these guys practice with the team at the same time as team practices? Or is it this own separate thing at a different time and place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, arcane said: So how does the practice squad work? Do these guys practice with the team at the same time as team practices? Or is it this own separate thing at a different time and place? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Wade said it's his personal goal to make it to the NFL. Right now that means more to him than money. Sounds like he has a few nickels stashed away, good for him! Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Well, aren’t you just Gloria Gaynor! ? I prefer Cake 4 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Did Easley sign anywhere? Not that I've seen, but I'm not an expert tweet twitterer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Are the Bills still under the practice squad maximum by one, or did they make some moves today ? TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Are the Bills still under the practice squad maximum by one, or did they make some moves today ? TY One spot open for a punter is my guess. 10 signed including Wade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So say more - what was he like as a player then? Here's some highlight clips: and previous year, where he was behind Washington: Judging by what I see here, I would say he fits one pattern that Beane seems to look for in a player, a physically talented guy who may be flying "under the radar" a bit due to the program he was in, the personnel ahead of him, or both. One thing you cant teach is speed. Pretty good production for an undrafted guy aswell. What Buffalo is looking to do on offense, I think having a guy on PS behind Foster, and Brown is important. When you have a Qb with the arm of Allen you have to keep a guy on the field that stretches the coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) On 9/1/2019 at 11:31 AM, GunnerBill said: I am a tad surprise Williams cleared waivers. It just goes to show how valuable the league thinks a slow (comparatively for NFL WR) big guy on the outside is. He is pretty good at beating the jam, boxing out DBs and Safeties, has good hands, and can highpoint the ball. Will be interesting to see how those new PI rules affect players with his skill set. Edited September 3, 2019 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Hah! In general, if you get to QB3, you're probably in trouble, but having a guy in the fold that's got experience running a pro style offense and can get the ball out quickly is probably as good as you can reasonably hope for. Not sure what folks are expecting if we are down to our 3rd stringer. Will be handoff, handoff, jet sweep, handoff... You get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 12 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...he's on Bills PS, so somebody would have to poach him...... Yeah, that’s what I mean. Anyone can poach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Are the Bills still under the practice squad maximum by one, or did they make some moves today ? TY 1 spot remaining per any source I could find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 8:08 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Put known signings to Bills PS here per 1. TE Nate Becker 2. CB Cam Lewis 3. OL Erik Magnuson 4. DT Kyle Peko 5. DE Eddie Yarbrough 6. WR Duke Williams 7. LB Nate Hall (Cowboys - per Joe B) 8. QB Davis Webb (Jets - per Draft Diamonds and Ryan Talbot) 9. WR Tyron Johnson 10. [11 RB Christian Wade - can not be elevated to 53 man this year] Glad to see Wade, Williams, Yarbrough, and Peko there. Edit Monday: one more spot Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. On 9/1/2019 at 8:08 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Put known signings to Bills PS here per 1. TE Nate Becker 2. CB Cam Lewis 3. OL Erik Magnuson 4. DT Kyle Peko 5. DE Eddie Yarbrough 6. WR Duke Williams 7. LB Nate Hall (Cowboys - per Joe B) 8. QB Davis Webb (Jets - per Draft Diamonds and Ryan Talbot) 9. WR Tyron Johnson 10. [11 RB Christian Wade - can not be elevated to 53 man this year] Glad to see Wade, Williams, Yarbrough, and Peko there. Edit Monday: one more spot Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. Yet another Johnson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 It's a decent PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I like the Webb pickup too. FWIW before Gettleman got to the Giants you always heard around here in North Jersey how much they liked Davis Webb. Gettleman has a reputation for insisting on his guys and his ways so don't hold that cut against him. Or the Jets cut -- there's only room for one young/developing QB there and it's Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 1:09 PM, MrEpsYtown said: I do hope Easley and Sills make it here. Yarborough as well. I'm sure we will grab some corners and such as well. guess not maybe next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. Very very pleased with this practice squad. Just a testament to how deep we are. Webb is a good pu! Duke & Eddie will find their way onto this roster. Seemed so nice you said it twice! I agree on Webb. We dont need a starter or a project. Just someone that can give the WR's work with roots and catching the ball. Tyree was not doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think the last PS spot is for Marlowe/J. Johnson when they bring back Munnerlyn or some other vet depth CB. I'd rather have the extra depth at CB then S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said: I think the last PS spot is for Marlowe/J. Johnson when they bring back Munnerlyn or some other vet depth CB. I'd rather have the extra depth at CB then S. No way. Maybe Marlowe (depending on PS eligibility) but more likely McDermott or Boettger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Doc said: No way. Maybe Marlowe (depending on PS eligibility) but more likely McDermott or Boettger. I would definitely choose Marlowe to cut before Johnson. And I wasn't considering OL, but I could see either of those guys as well. May come down to where they value the extra depth...DB or OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Ennjay said: Or the Jets cut -- there's only room for one young/developing QB there and it's Darnold. LOL! If the Jets thought he had potential, they would have had no problem keeping him on their PS, any more than the Bills are with Allen. The fact he had a very poor training camp and preseason (21 of 45 47%, 4 picks, no TD's) is why he didn't stick, not Darnold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Philo Beddoe said: I would definitely choose Marlowe to cut before Johnson. And I wasn't considering OL, but I could see either of those guys as well. May come down to where they value the extra depth...DB or OL. They have 10 OL. I think that's at least 1 more than they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Doc said: They have 10 OL. I think that's at least 1 more than they need. Agreed. I always thought they would keep 9. Could be McDermott only lasts as long as they are unsure of Nsekhe's health? I believe he is still dealing with that knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Philo Beddoe said: Agreed. I always thought they would keep 9. Could be McDermott only lasts as long as they are unsure of Nsekhe's health? I believe he is still dealing with that knee. Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 2:31 PM, GunnerBill said: I am a tad surprise Williams cleared waivers. It just goes to show how valuable the league thinks a slow (comparatively for NFL WR) big guy on the outside is. Gunner, I gotta say I love the idea of Williams and so I defend him every way I can. I think what you've said makes a lot of sense - that the league just doesn't value his skills as much as it used to, in much the same way that the league doesn't value top-end running back skills as it used to. I get that. Because I want to believe in Williams, I have an alternative theory about why he's on the Bills' practice squad, and that is because he WANTS to be there. 1. My view (which may be way off base) is that a receiver's speed is important only if he has top-end speed. That is, if you're going to be a true #1, you need deep speed. If you're going to be a #2 or #3, deep speed is nice but not essential. If you don't have deep speed, the fact that you're a little faster or a little slower than some other guy who doesn't have deep speed just doesn't matter that much. Why? Because unless you're an Edelman, you're not going to be able to get separation against NFL corners. To get separation, you need either to outrun the defender, or you need good moves plus speed to maintain the advantage you create with the moves (that's why I think Brown can be a #1 - speed plus moves). If you don't have the speed, you aren't getting separation (again, unless you're an Edelman). Most NFL receivers get separation based on scheme - they get separation by being the guy in a particular play who has an advantage over the defense, because of formations, routes and the defense the opponent is in. Better speed helps, but knowledge and route discipline is more important. 2. I've said before, I think Williams is like a recovering alcoholic. Williams made a really bad turn in his life several years ago and then stumbled along failing at his job, until something happened, like getting introduced to AA, that got him back on track. It seems he did it himself - I haven't seen any stories that say he got religion, or he had one great mentor. The things I read about him suggest he shows some of the same behaviors that some recovering alcoholics show - he has a path, a set of rules that he is determined to stick by, every hour of every day, because he knows those rules work and he knows that if he doesn't follow those rules he's likely to revert to his former life. I got that impression largely from reading what his coach in Canada said about him. 3. So Williams gets another shot at the NFL and he knows it's absolutely his last shot. He's not Josh Gordon; if he doesn't make it this time, he's done. And he desperately wants to make it. Some teams are interested in him. He chooses the Bills. Why? I think for two reasons. One is that at the time he signed with the Bills, the Bills had Zay Jones as their feature receiver. He didn't need to be a rocket scientist to see that there was a good opportunity to make the squad. But I think the second reason was more important. McDermott was the second reason. McDermott preaches a personal self-control and self-improvement philosophy that is, I think, exactly the philosophy that Williams learned to get his life going in the right direction again. In McDermott he found the mentor who would help him continue on the journey. He recognizes, I think like many recovering alcoholics, that he continues to need help along away and that McDermott was the perfect guy to do that. 4. On top of that, Williams sees that Buffalo's passing offense is all about scheme. It's all about creating mismatches where ANY receiver who recognizes the defense and runs his route probably will create the window the quarterback needs to throw into. It's much more about scheme than about speed. The offense isn't built with particular physical attributes in mind, it isn't designed for one player or one style of player. Yes, the player has to have some attributes, like speed, but if he has the minimum speed necessary, other attributes are going to determine whether he plays. 5. The Bills are way into setting objectives and constant evaluation. Williams has had a whole summer of meetings with coaches critiquing his play, showing him the things they want him to do. He had some success, I'm sure, and he's learned a lot of things. What he's seen is a nurturing, supportive environment in his goals are always clear, right in front of him. The path, for each week, each day, each hour is clear and well-defined. 6. So now it's last Friday or Saturday and someone sits down with Williams. Maybe it's Daboll. Maybe it's McD. Maybe it's the receivers coach. I'm guessing McDermott. They tell him here's the progress he's made, here's the stuff he needs to continue to work on. They tell him they're cutting him. They tell him they really want him on the practice squad, because they think that he will continue to get better and can grow into a contributor on the team. But they tell him if he wants to move on to another team, they will help in any way they can and they will wish him well. 7. Now Williams has a choice. (Well, maybe he doesn't have a choice. Maybe NO team is willing to take a chance on him and add him to their 53. If that's true, I'd suggest it's only partially about speed. I think other teams can live with his speed limitations, but the lack of speed plus the lack of experience plus the ugliness in his past makes him too big a risk to take.) But assuming he has a choice, I think Williams thinks this: "It's my last chance. I know now that McDermott is exactly the kind of coach and mentor I need in my life. I know I was close to making it. I know what it is that I have to learn and improve on to make the team, because they've been telling me all summer and helping me improve. I believe I can do it and I believe these coaches want me to do it. I don't know whether this other coach who is calling will be a mentor, will be willing to teach me the things I still need to learn, and since this time around is my last chance, I don't want to roll the dice on a new team and a new coach. I need to continue the process that I began when I came to Buffalo. If I can't make the NFL in this environment, I'm just not going to make the NFL." Do I know any of this true? Absolutely not. But I think it is. And I think we will see Williams on the field in a Bills uniform in 2019. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think fans way over-estimate how many players are signed by other teams off waivers on the eave of the season. There was 36 total this year (and one poster said it was similar last year). They have just spent the last couple weeks working 20 hour days trying to figure out their own guys and roster and position groups, and they are just not likely to sign a WR they don't know a lot about right away and right before the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I think fans way over-estimate how many players are signed by other teams off waivers on the eave of the season. There was 36 total this year (and one poster said it was similar last year). They have just spent the last couple weeks working 20 hour days trying to figure out their own guys and roster and position groups, and they are just not likely to sign a WR they don't know a lot about right away and right before the season. True. You've been working with 90 guys for six weeks to get down to 53, and it takes a lot to convince yourself that some guy you haven't seen at all deserves to take the spot of one of those 53. It's a tough call. Not surprising that it was Carolina that took Ray Ray. They had a week of joint practices and a game to evaluate the guy, which is at least something to go on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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