Doc Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 His arm strength is on the order of Peterman's, but he seems smart enough to know not to throw the 10-yard out over and over and over again. And the best part? He's only making $2M/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnnyGold said: I see your thread got shut down, which is unfortunate, because although I think they'll win more than 9 games it is troubling that no one seems to be considering the alternative. This is the year we find out if Buffalo is 2014 Seattle, with a monster defense and a young QB who can scramble with an arm that can do just enough to win, with a solid running game and a great coach... or is Buffalo the 2016 Bills, with a defense that can't carry the offense, a young QB who can scramble with an an arm that can't quite do just enough to win, with a solid running game and a coach that we want to be great... And if it's the latter, does it get all the way blown up? Or do we end up in the worst situation a fanbase can be in, where we convince ourselves that the rest of the roster is set, and all we need is: Drew Bledsoe, or Kirk Cousins, or Derek Carr? When the range of possibilities is 4-12, to year one of a championship dynasty... this will be interesting... Every Bills fan ever is considering the alternative to JA being successful. Some are hoping against hope. Some are excited for the potential. Some hang on one preseason play. Some harken back to his college days. And some are on the ledge of a one story building just waiting for the cue to jump. There is a marked difference in what you wrote v what the other poster wrote. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic that he will develop into a good Qb, and the other players around him will do their part. Line has to create holes for the RBs. Line has to give him some time to make plays. Receivers have to create separation and make plays that they should make with regularity, and catch 50-75% of the more difficult catches that surely will come their way. Coaches have to game plan and adjust in-game. I can tell you I'm having more fun watching this team develop than I have in years. Btw, nothing earth shattering but the son of a friend did an internship w/ Buff and said the team is fun and exciting to be around. For whatever that is worth, it's good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: I'd say he played pretty well against the Jets in his only start too Yes, 1 start in his career went well, against a team that won 3 games? Not saying he hasn't improved, but to think Allen is on a short leash because of Barkley is a little absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 My personal opinion is Jackson starting this week speaks more of what they think about Barkley and wanting to keep him safe than "let's really get a good look at the kid this Thursday and give him some valuable experience." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 How long before he takes the starting QB job???? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: My personal opinion is Jackson starting this week speaks more of what they think about Barkley and wanting to keep him safe than "let's really get a good look at the kid this Thursday and give him some valuable experience." For sure. They aren't going to risk either Josh or Matt for an even more meaningless game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: For sure. They aren't going to risk either Josh or Matt for an even more meaningless game. Doc, seriously man, I loved him last year, but it was one game. After all the time he has been in this league and figuring things out and what we saw this preseason I can comfortable say he is one of the best back ups (what does that mean? top 2-4 maybe) in the League. That doesn't mean I think he should definitely be starting someplace, just that what his job is and what he is here for is superlative to others in this league. Man-o-man it feels like a nice warm blanket, especially after last year's start of here's some sandpaper for your face and a wad of tin foil to chew on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said: I wouldn’t rule out Barkley starting at some point. Josh Allen hasn’t learned a thing from last year after watching that horrible pick in the last preseason game 9-7 or bust for me. They don’t even need to make playoffs. Need a winning record. If they don’t get there I don’t believe this team or Allen will ever be good. ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I think Matt's greatest contribution to this team will be as a mentor to Josh. They've already formed a good friendship. He's more polished than Josh but without all the athletic upside. And his value as a top 10 backup is something the Bills have lacked for a very long time. Barkley coming here is just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Augie said: I would also embrace getting paid millions without getting my spleen lacerated or my ribs crushed! Matt’s got a good gig! I bet he smiles in his sleep! ? Have you seen his wife? I'm sure he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 hours ago, klos63 said: A 7 year veteran plays well in preseason against players likely to be cut and not even in the league in a couple weeks and people think he can start. Yep - a bunch of rookies looked really good too. But once the bullets fly, and teams blitz and confuse you, it becomes a whole different ball game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said: I wouldn’t rule out Barkley starting at some point. Josh Allen hasn’t learned a thing from last year after watching that horrible pick in the last preseason game 9-7 or bust for me. They don’t even need to make playoffs. Need a winning record. If they don’t get there I don’t believe this team or Allen will ever be good. But your name says QB or bust. Make up your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) There are people that are actually serious, wanting Barkley to be more than a back-up?? Unbelievable. Edited August 28, 2019 by Dablitzkrieg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, klos63 said: Yes, 1 start in his career went well, against a team that won 3 games? Not saying he hasn't improved, but to think Allen is on a short leash because of Barkley is a little absurd. Couldn’t agree more, Barkley has nothing to do with Allen being on a short leash. Allen has everything to do with Allen being on a short leash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Have you seen his wife? I'm sure he does? Well NOW I have! The pictures include small kids, so I wonder if they ever get to actually “sleep”....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...pleasant surprise....was meh about pre-draft hype and well traveled, lackluster career.....didn't think much of the signing, but he really seems to be hitting his stride as #2............ He came into the Horseshoe as a true freshman (i think it was his 2nd game ever?) and beat Ohio state in a nationally televised prime time game that until recently was the loudest I had ever heard that stadium. He has ice in his veins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesus Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barkley realizes Josh is no good and he actually has a shot at being starter by the end of the year haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Let’s get crazy!!! Are we sure Allen gives the Bills the best chance to win???? Is this EJ/ Orton 2.0? and Barkley is what he is. He’s a qb will a much worse career rating than EJ Manuel. If he has to play extended games, we are in serious trouble. But he’s a veteran who can make a few plays for a game or 2. But his arm isn’t going to get magically stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 10 hours ago, klos63 said: A 7 year veteran plays well in preseason against players likely to be cut and not even in the league in a couple weeks and people think he can start. How long did Tyrod sit before becoming a starter? I mean, are you going to tell me players cant develop and improve? Is there a limited time frame that if you arent a full time starter you never will be? Cause, I mean not for nothing Barkley has won games during the regular season and has shown a very good comfort level in Dabolls system. Moreover, I am not advocating to replace Allen today with Barkley. I am saying Allen should be on a short leash with this roster. In today's NFL teams have replaced young QBs fairly quickly if they arent panning out. Nothing personal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Let’s get crazy!!! Are we sure Allen gives the Bills the best chance to win???? Is this EJ/ Orton 2.0? and Barkley is what he is. He’s a qb will a much worse career rating than EJ Manuel. If he has to play extended games, we are in serious trouble. But he’s a veteran who can make a few plays for a game or 2. But his arm isn’t going to get magically stronger. This just in, Barkley is running the Daboll O more effectively then Allen right now and probably does give Buffalo a better ability (not chance) to win football games at this point in time IMO. Matt Barkley is seeing the field well, decisive, throwing with anticipation and accuracy. So decisive the supposed to low of velocity throws have been a non factor on the football field in my humble opinion Biscuit. The Buffalo Bills are in the process of developing the 1st franchise QB they have had in almost 2 decades. Josh Allen came out of college about as raw as you can get. It takes time to develop him and its not happening overnight. So for folks that want to call Allen a bust for one bad play, or even one bad game , get real, he has less then a full season of games under his belt. As does Barkley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Was trying to not to have a vague title of Matt Barkley so added the more serious part. I've watched him in the past and he didn't seem in shape so to speak...was a little rounder than you would expect. He also didn't seem to have the same command of things in his other backup jobs... But this year...he's come in and did exactly what you would want. He's helping Josh. He's in great shape (looks like a different guy if you ask me). And seems all in here in buffalo. Not sure if it is that he's taking it more serious or just a better fit for him. Thoughts? My thoughts are Matt Barkley has found and accepted his role here in Buffalo as JAs backup. He's had a roller coaster ride from his college days and his only big chance came with the Bears who were in tank mode by the time he got to start. If he plays within his skills and accepts his below average arm he can be a decent backup if needed. Didn't really have much of a opinion on him when he came here, but since he's been here I have grown to cheer him on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: My thoughts are Matt Barkley has found and accepted his role here in Buffalo as JAs backup. He's had a roller coaster ride from his college days and his only big chance came with the Bears who were in tank mode by the time he got to start. If he plays within his skills and accepts his below average arm he can be a decent backup if needed. Didn't really have much of a opinion on him when he came here, but since he's been here I have grown to cheer him on. Joe Montana was tagged the same way once upon a time... ... I'm just saying... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barkley's strengths are Allen's weaknesses and vice versa. He is a perfect backup and mentor and apparently they have become very good friends. Josh has the keys to the Lambo and Matt will only touch the ball in case of injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Figster said: Joe Montana was tagged the same way once upon a time... ... I'm just saying... Matt Barkley getting compared to Joe Montana. I used to hate the preseason but takes like this make me love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Matt Barkley getting compared to Joe Montana. I used to hate the preseason but takes like this make me love it! I don't think it's so much "comparison", but more simply noting trait in common. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, wiskibreth said: I don't think it's so much "comparison", but more simply noting trait in common. Could have gone Nate Peterman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m not sure what it is, but he seems to really embrace the role he’s in now. Could be a paycheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: How long did Tyrod sit before becoming a starter? I mean, are you going to tell me players cant develop and improve? Is there a limited time frame that if you arent a full time starter you never will be? Cause, I mean not for nothing Barkley has won games during the regular season and has shown a very good comfort level in Dabolls system. Moreover, I am not advocating to replace Allen today with Barkley. I am saying Allen should be on a short leash with this roster. In today's NFL teams have replaced young QBs fairly quickly if they arent panning out. Nothing personal. If you go back an read my initial reply, I said that maybe he has improved. He's won 2 games as a starter in his career. 56 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: Barkley's strengths are Allen's weaknesses and vice versa. He is a perfect backup and mentor and apparently they have become very good friends. Josh has the keys to the Lambo and Matt will only touch the ball in case of injury. The logic seems to be that any veteran, regardless of their actual performance on the field is assumed to be a mentor. I don't get it. I think people like saying the word 'mentor'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Matt Barkley getting compared to Joe Montana. I used to hate the preseason but takes like this make me love it! Hey man, Its almost time for take off, We need to get into regular season boasting / posting form. Saying Montana and Barkley were both considered to have noodle arms coming out of college is probably not the kind of comparison Matt Barkley would be proud of in my humble opinion Biscuit. Edited August 28, 2019 by Figster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I'll say it again in this thread. There was a reason Matt was not playing ... Yet I'm glad for it this year I highly doubt this will be a Kurt Warner repeat. I'd love it but I doubt it Edited August 28, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 He's the perfect backup. I'm glad he's accepted his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: My thoughts are Matt Barkley has found and accepted his role here in Buffalo as JAs backup. He's had a roller coaster ride from his college days and his only big chance came with the Bears who were in tank mode by the time he got to start. If he plays within his skills and accepts his below average arm he can be a decent backup if needed. Didn't really have much of a opinion on him when he came here, but since he's been here I have grown to cheer him on. It is nice to know that the Bills have a competent back up if things go sideways. Barkley seems to be able to manage this team when called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I'll say it again in this thread. There was a reason Matt was not playing ... Yet I'm glad for it this year I highly doubt this will be a Kurt Warner repeat. I'd love it but I doubt it Nice comparison though Shady, stocking shelves at $ 5.50 an hour. Is it an exception to the rule, absolutely, but there are exceptions. thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Figster said: Hey man, Its almost time for take off, We need to get into regular season boasting / posting form. Saying Montana and Barkley were both considered to have noodle arms coming out of college is probably not the kind of comparison Matt Barkley would be proud of in my humble opinion Biscuit. You’re a good dude (assuming since I don’t know you) Fig. I actually liked Barkley the most in his draft class. But a lot more guys fail with a noodle arm than succeed. Montana is the exception. Think about it this way. Barkley’s qb rating is 9 points lower than EJ’s. 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He's the perfect backup. I'm glad he's accepted his role. I mean what other options did he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You’re a good dude (assuming since I don’t know you) Fig. I actually liked Barkley the most in his draft class. But a lot more guys fail with a noodle arm than succeed. Montana is the exception. Think about it this way. Barkley’s qb rating is 9 points lower than EJ’s. I mean what other options did he have? Ditto, On the career QB rating I think you might find many QB's 1st 16 games ever played in the NFL that went on to have successful careers as a starter didn't have a sparkling rating within that time frame. With all due respect C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: It is nice to know that the Bills have a competent back up if things go sideways. Barkley seems to be able to manage this team when called upon. Lots of fans don't want to see him play but I do..............lots of knees in the 4th! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I gave you the ? for the final sentence. ? Was it too obvious? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Lots of fans don't want to see him play but I do..............lots of knees in the 4th! But then the NfL will blackball him. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Lots of fans don't want to see him play but I do..............lots of knees in the 4th! Well yeah...hopefully that will be the scenario! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Lots of fans don't want to see him play but I do..............lots of knees in the 4th! Well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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