Miami considers itself the leader for acquiring Clowney; he doesn’t want to go there

[djp14150]

11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Zero state income tax = huge advantage for Clowney on a $140 million contract with $55 million guaranteed or whatever it is he’ll get.

 

 

Texas currently doesnt have income tax either....dont think that is a real issue

 

Since he got a franchise tag---my understanding--- even if traded he cant sign an extension until after the season.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

 

 

Texas currently doesnt have income tax either....dont think that is a real issue

 

Since he got a franchise tag---my understanding--- even if traded he cant sign an extension until after the season.

I think he’d be happy to stay in Texas - but they don’t want to pay him.  That’s the whole issue.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Miami seems to always trade for pass rushers.

[ALLEN1QB]

I don't know who's going to end up getting him but after all of this I'm glad it's not Buffalo. I'm really not so sure he's all that good and does not sound like the kind of player that would fit into this team. BTW how in the heck did Miami get all of those draft picks I must have missed something

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

I don't know who's going to end up getting him but after all of this I'm glad it's not Buffalo. I'm really not so sure he's all that good and does not sound like the kind of player that would fit into this team. BTW how in the heck did Miami get all of those draft picks I must have missed something

They traded for Rosen. Arizona needed to send all those picks with him for miami to take him. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by The Wiz

[BUFFALOTONE]

So just listened to radio here in Lauderdale. They had the Fins reporter on from the Herald and he believes it’s a 50/50 chance with them sending Stills and Minkah but no draft picks. Apparently Flores met with Clowney and sold him on his vision of the future. Mostly just conjecture IMO. 

[Tsaikotic]

2 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

So just listened to radio here in Lauderdale. They had the Fins reporter on from the Herald and he believes it’s a 50/50 chance with them sending Stills and Minkah but no draft picks. Apparently Flores met with Clowney and sold him on his vision of the future. Mostly just conjecture IMO. 

 

only room for one fitzmagic in this here city

[BarleyNY]

37 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

At some point you have to start rebuilding- maybe they feel Clowney gets the ball rolling? Who knows thou, that organization is a cluster.

 

Miami trading for Clowney seems very much like when Buffalo signed Mario.  Acquiring an elite Edge is not a bad way to start a rebuild.

 

Something yet to be discussed is that if the report that Houston is trying to get a second are true, then BoB effed up here.  They could’ve gotten much more - a first plus more - for Clowney if they had traded him while he was still allowed to sign a multi year deal.  That’s a big mistake. 

[BUFFALOKIE]

They have better grilled cheese sandwiches in Miami. They use Coppertone spray instead a Pam. Gives it a nice hint of coconut.

Edited August 27, 2019 by BUFFALOKIE

[HOUSE]

Giphy

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I want to see how our SEVENTH rounder develops

 

 

 

...just a hunch, but I think this Daryl Johnson kid will be another late day gold find for McBeane & Company.....think this kid comes in hungry as hell as a 7th with no Clowney baggage and exorbitant tariff demands.....

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Miami trading for Clowney seems very much like when Buffalo signed Mario.  Acquiring an elite Edge is not a bad way to start a rebuild.

 

Something yet to be discussed is that if the report that Houston is trying to get a second are true, then BoB effed up here.  They could’ve gotten much more - a first plus more - for Clowney if they had traded him while he was still allowed to sign a multi year deal.  That’s a big mistake. 

Yea but I don't think we were trying to shop or entire team while trying to sign him. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...just a hunch, but I think this Daryl Johnson kid will be another late day gold find for McBeane & Company.....think this kid comes in hungry as hell as a 7th with no Clowney baggage and exorbitant tariff demands.....

When you have a 7th rounder come in and make it so you have to keep in on the final roster because he wont clear waivers....you have struck gold in a few different ways

 

He is on a cost effective contract....something Clowney would NOT be

You have him for a number of years

If you bring in Clowney....you are basically regulating the kid to the bench...he does not get better that way

 

Personally I love this kid.....he bends to get around OT's....he has the height weight wingspan ratio that your looking for.....he will probably be Shaq's replace on this roster come this next year (and if Shaq shows out all the better....pay Shaq and be set at the DE position)

 

We just extended Hughes....it only makes sense to be cost effective when you give a big contract to another player at a position IF you can......teams that win are the teams that draft well.

 

I mean I really dont get it.....we have found a GM that looks to be hitting HOME RUNS on draft picks....but we want to pay a good player a ***** load of money at the same position....why?   Lets develop and pay our OWN players and supplement with free agency.   That to me sounds like a better plan IF we draft well.

[njbuff]

I should ask all Bills fans............

 

Do you really want the Bills to spend 20+ mill on a player who doesn’t make a GREAT impact when he has J.J. freaking Watt across from him?

 

Never mind what the Bills have to give up to get him.

[John from Riverside]

14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Miami trading for Clowney seems very much like when Buffalo signed Mario.  Acquiring an elite Edge is not a bad way to start a rebuild.

 

Something yet to be discussed is that if the report that Houston is trying to get a second are true, then BoB effed up here.  They could’ve gotten much more - a first plus more - for Clowney if they had traded him while he was still allowed to sign a multi year deal.  That’s a big mistake. 

Just my opinion....but I was much higher on Mario WIlliams then I am on Clowney.

 

I am not saying Clowney is not a good player...I just dont think he is an ELITE player.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...just a hunch, but I think this Daryl Johnson kid will be another late day gold find for McBeane & Company.....think this kid comes in hungry as hell as a 7th with no Clowney baggage and exorbitant tariff demands.....

 

He made a play covering a kick that REALLY caught my eye. “Whoa! Who was THAT?” 

 

Not saying he’s going to be a stud, or even make the team, but extremely intriguing and makes me want to see MORE. Fingers crossed! 

[bigK14094]

The money Clowney wants will be better spent on white, allen, our young linebackers......that time is not so far away.

[unbillievable]

https://finheaven.com/threads/another-clowney-to-miami-rumor.356135/page-4

 

Dolphin fans don't seem to like the idea of Clowney either.  Especially since they just got rid of Cam Wake, who had better production.

It might also push them from suck to below average, sabotaging their tanking season.

 

 

8 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

The money Clowney wants will be better spent on white, allen, our young linebackers......that time is not so far away.

 

Clowney will be long gone before then.

[whatdrought]

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

When you have a 7th rounder come in and make it so you have to keep in on the final roster because he wont clear waivers....you have struck gold in a few different ways

 

He is on a cost effective contract....something Clowney would NOT be

You have him for a number of years

If you bring in Clowney....you are basically regulating the kid to the bench...he does not get better that way

 

Personally I love this kid.....he bends to get around OT's....he has the height weight wingspan ratio that your looking for.....he will probably be Shaq's replace on this roster come this next year (and if Shaq shows out all the better....pay Shaq and be set at the DE position)

 

We just extended Hughes....it only makes sense to be cost effective when you give a big contract to another player at a position IF you can......teams that win are the teams that draft well.

 

I mean I really dont get it.....we have found a GM that looks to be hitting HOME RUNS on draft picks....but we want to pay a good player a ***** load of money at the same position....why?   Lets develop and pay our OWN players and supplement with free agency.   That to me sounds like a better plan IF we draft well.

 

I love Johnson, I think he can be special.

 

That being said, I don't think you put your eggs in the basket of a 7th rounder and pass on a good/great player if he's there for the taking. 

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

The money Clowney wants will be better spent on white, allen, our young linebackers......that time is not so far away.

Absolutely correct

 

Tre White is not going to be cheap

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

I love Johnson, I think he can be special.

 

That being said, I don't think you put your eggs in the basket of a 7th rounder and pass on a good/great player if he's there for the taking. 

I understand your opinion

 

I really dont think we are putting our eggs in that basket though....we just extended hughes...already have Murphy on a contract.....and Shaq looks like he is playing for a contract

 

That is three DE's right there not counting Johnson.....he is going to need playing time.  Where does he get it with 3 vets in front of him?

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Absolutely correct

 

Tre White is not going to be cheap

I understand your opinion

 

I really dont think we are putting our eggs in that basket though....we just extended hughes...already have Murphy on a contract.....and Shaq looks like he is playing for a contract

 

That is three DE's right there not counting Johnson.....he is going to need playing time.  Where does he get it with 3 vets in front of him?

 

I get it, and I am totally fine either way. I see both sides of it. 

 

But when we look at the top four spots on our chart at DE right now, we see 15 total sacks last year (obviously Johnson had 0) which averages to just under 4 each. Clowney had 9 last year. 

 

So while I get why there's plenty of reason not to spend capital on him, I also think there are some good reasons to do just that. 

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

https://finheaven.com/threads/another-clowney-to-miami-rumor.356135/page-4

 

Dolphin fans don't seem to like the idea of Clowney either.  Especially since they just got rid of Cam Wake, who had better production.

It might also push them from suck to below average, sabotaging their tanking season.

 

 

 

Clowney will be long gone before then.

Billsy

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

The money Clowney wants will be better spent on white, allen, our young linebackers......that time is not so far away.

 

 

So I take it you are against spending $70M on 18 free agents again next offseason?

 

Btw people might not want to pen Tre White in as a career-long Bill...........when McBeane were with the Panthers they shocked the league but pulling the franchise tag off of Josh Norman late in the FA season and let him walk.  

 

They then plugged in some scrubs and after a rough month or so McD had them coached up and playing well.    Knowing that...... I am not sure I can see them spending $20M per year to retain Tre in a couple years.

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So I take it you are against spending $70M on 18 free agents again next offseason?

 

Btw people might not want to pen Tre White in as a career-long Bill...........when McBeane were with the Panthers they shocked the league but pulling the franchise tag off of Josh Norman late in the FA season and let him walk.  

 

They then plugged in some scrubs and after a rough month or so McD had them coached up and playing well.    Knowing that...... I am not sure I can see them spending $20M per year to retain Tre in a couple years.

say it aint so. we love Tre.  i would even chip in to keep him.

 

 i hope clowney goes somewhere else regardless than Buffalo. but to Miami would be special.
 

[thebandit27]

50 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I should ask all Bills fans............

 

Do you really want the Bills to spend 20+ mill on a player who doesn’t make a GREAT impact when he has J.J. freaking Watt across from him?

 

Never mind what the Bills have to give up to get him.

 

Doesn't make a great impact?

 

Since 2016, there's only one player with more TFLs than Clowney: Aaron Donald; the best defensive player in football.

 

I get that you don't want him, but the dishonest hyperbole is unnecessary 

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So I take it you are against spending $70M on 18 free agents again next offseason?

 

Btw people might not want to pen Tre White in as a career-long Bill...........when McBeane were with the Panthers they shocked the league but pulling the franchise tag off of Josh Norman late in the FA season and let him walk.  

 

They then plugged in some scrubs and after a rough month or so McD had them coached up and playing well.    Knowing that...... I am not sure I can see them spending $20M per year to retain Tre in a couple years.

I would hope that McD learned from his mistake with the panthers

[Mr. WEO]

That Miami reporter told us they were tanking...

[njbuff]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Doesn't make a great impact?

 

Since 2016, there's only one player with more TFLs than Clowney: Aaron Donald; the best defensive player in football.

 

I get that you don't want him, but the dishonest hyperbole is unnecessary 

 

I grant you this, but my rebuttal is...........

 

What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it?

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This is true.

 

We don't know all the facts. But to cite future FAs in the year 2021 and beyond as reasons not to make this trade and pay him is laughable. 

Bills can still build via the Draft.

Lets see what Bills have this year after bolstering the O line and some WRs.
if Allen cannot make the next step, any big money spent on D an FA this year will be peeing in the wind.

 Patience

[YoloinOhio]

 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

I grant you this, but my rebuttal is...........

 

What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it?

fair take

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Good....time to move on giving up a 1st is insane

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Second rounder straight up for Clowney is a better deal for the Eagles. 

 

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This is true.

 

We don't know all the facts. But to cite future FAs in the year 2021 and beyond as reasons not to make this trade and pay him is laughable. 

 

Anytime a team shells out $120 million (give or take) plus a 2nd round pick on a single player it affects a lot of future decisions.

IF the Bills think it's worth it they should do it, if not, don't.

From the impressions I get from Beane and McDermott, it's probably too much of a risk.

  

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Good....time to move on giving up a 1st is insane

 

The tweet says the Eagles GET a 1st round pick from the Texans.  LOL

[HOUSE]

I never did believe he would be Happy in Miami. Made no sense

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Good....time to move on giving up a 1st is insane

 

The #1 pick AND the cap space? A very nice cheap player can be had for 4-5 years if that is the acquisition cost. 

 

 

.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Augie

[YoloinOhio]

The eagles getting a 1st and Clowney for Dillard is crazy, and shows just how much they wanted Dillard in the draft. Sorcery from the eagles if it happens. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The eagles getting a 1st and Clowney for Dillard is crazy, and shows just how much they wanted Dillard in the draft. Sorcery from the eagles if it happens. 

 

Are the Texans negotiating from a Happy Hour joint? 

 

.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Augie

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Rochesterfan]

37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

This makes no sense from Houston (or Philadelphia) - even if you got scooped on Dillard.  

 

Clowney and a first for Dillard would mean Clowney is worth less than nothing.  

 

Even the other way Clowney for a first and Dillard- would be like the Eagles giving 2 1st Rd picks for Clowney.  

 

Neither makes sense in my eyes.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Rochesterfan