The Bills need to keep Duke Williams

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

He played with the 1st team on certain plays and during that time Josh didn't even target him and most of those plays were in the Redzone. He caught 3 balls for 15 yards and a TD all after halftime against 2nd and 3rd string players. His TD was a 16 yarder, which means the other 2 catches were for minus 1 yards. He averaged a whopping 5 yards a catch!!!!! In reality he made one good play in the 37 plays he was out there. The rest of the plays he didn't do much of anything except lose 1 yard on his other 2 catches. Now I ask, how in God's name is that looking good?????

 

Guess you missed the key blocks he made, including with the first team to help us score a TD.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

4 wr sitting tonight, Beasley brown Roberts and zay.......

Well, that's a piece of evidence right there.  Either they've agreed to a trade that will happen tomorrow or he's the 4th receiver.  

 

So is it a Duke/Foster battle?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Guess you missed the key blocks he made, including with the first team to help us score a TD.

It's great he can block, I'm not going to deny that, but his job is to get yards & TDs. He's pretty good at one and not so good at the other. On a side note how's Duke doing against the scrubs, oh wait 1 catch for 9 yards, if he's going to be a good WR in this league he should be dominating the guys he's playing against tonight. For all the talking up the announcers did about Duke in the first quarter, they each ended it as they don't know if he'll even make the team. I do have to admit, I forgot how big he really is. I wouldn't mind him being the #5, #6 or #7 WR(If we keep 7 WRs), it just shouldn't come because they got rid of Zay.

[Bray Wyatt]

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, that's a piece of evidence right there.  Either they've agreed to a trade that will happen tomorrow or he's the 4th receiver.  

 

So is it a Duke/Foster battle?

 

Possible it’s odd foster is on ST tonight, but I think they keep 7 and that is dukes job at the moment

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, that's a piece of evidence right there.  Either they've agreed to a trade that will happen tomorrow or he's the 4th receiver.  

 

So is it a Duke/Foster battle?

What it means is Zay is the #3 WR and as much as it's going to kill a bunch of people...he's going no where.

[Don Otreply]

5 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

What it means is Zay is the #3 WR and as much as it's going to kill a bunch of people...he's going no where.

No one has an issue with that, as long as he stops dropping passes.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

It's great he can block, I'm not going to deny that, but his job is to get yards & TDs. He's pretty good at one and not so good at the other. On a side note how's Duke doing against the scrubs, oh wait 1 catch for 9 yards, if he's going to be a good WR in this league he should be dominating the guys he's playing against tonight. For all the talking up the announcers did about Duke in the first quarter, they each ended it as they don't know if he'll even make the team. I do have to admit, I forgot how big he really is. I wouldn't mind him being the #5, #6 or #7 WR(If we keep 7 WRs), it just shouldn't come because they got rid of Zay.

 

Come on bud, Jackson has been hot garbage.  Stop with the stats tonight.  Jackson won’t even likely make our practice squad, he’s awful.

 

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

No one has an issue with that, as long as he stops dropping passes.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

 

This ^

12 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Possible it’s odd foster is on ST tonight, but I think they keep 7 and that is dukes job at the moment

 

Or keep 6 and it’s between Duke and McKenzie could also be what the scenario is

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Come on bud, Jackson has been hot garbage.  Stop with the stats tonight.  Jackson won’t even likely make our practice squad, he’s awful.

 

 

 

Lol. Alpha I'll agree with you on that, I knew Duke had no chance tonight with Jackson at QB before the game even started.?? 

 

EDIT: I do hope Duke makes the team as the #5-#7 WR though. He's bigger than I remembered.

Edited August 30, 2019 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[HappyDays]

 

That's a pretty strong endorsement.

 

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Lol. Alpha I'll agree with you on that, I knew Duke had no chance tonight with Jackson at QB before the game even started.?? 

 

EDIT: I do hope Duke makes the team as the #5-#7 WR though. He's bigger than I remembered.

 

And to be clear, I never said he would make and they would cut Zay.  Others are talking like Zay will be cut, but I think it’s more likely they both make it.  Plus, Zay would be traded before he would be cut.  

[HappyDays]

 

[Bray Wyatt]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Interesting, Ray Ray reminds me of McKenzie and would be a good person to have to back him up, would be nice to stash him on ps and be able to call him up if he gets hurt

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

McCloud has played well tonight when you consider he has Jackson throwing the ball to him. That was a nice run after the catch he just had on the 4th & 2 play.

[NoSaint]

49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a pretty strong endorsement.

 

 

Its so strong it’s bordering on make believe though. I mean, really? He’s going to take him over just about anybody?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Lol. Alpha I'll agree with you on that, I knew Duke had no chance tonight with Jackson at QB before the game even started.?? 

 

EDIT: I do hope Duke makes the team as the #5-#7 WR though. He's bigger than I remembered.

So you understood Williams was up against it with a crap qb and decided to argue against him with tstats anyhow? 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

So you understood Williams was up against it with a crap qb and decided to argue against him with tstats anyhow? 

To be fair I didn't argue about his stats tonight at all, I did happened to mentioned them though. Just rubbing a little salt in the wound, that's all.??

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, that's a piece of evidence right there.  Either they've agreed to a trade that will happen tomorrow or he's the 4th receiver.  

 

So is it a Duke/Foster battle?

 

Nay.

 

Foster played a couple special teams plays--and made a great one. Then they took him out.

 

Foster was pretty much ensured the #5 spot.

 

And Duke ensured a spot tonight as well. Only 2 catches, but difficult catches over the middle and then he was taken out.

 

Duke makes it.

 

I think McKenzie does, too.

 

I think we keep 7 WRs...

 

Or trade one.

[unbillievable]

Ray Ray did well tonight, but I think he gets cut.

 

They already have two players (Roberts and Mckenzie) who can do what he does. There is no one on the roster that can match Duke; plus he has been on special teams, oddly enough.

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

What it means is Zay is the #3 WR and as much as it's going to kill a bunch of people...he's going no where.

 

Well... going nowhere for now.

 

I guarantee he doesn't have a long leash.

 

If he starts the season out dropping some passes or is invisible, he's probably going somewhere outside of top 3 WR rotation.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

27 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Ray Ray did well tonight, but I think he gets cut.

 

They already have two players (Roberts and Mckenzie) who can do what he does. There is no one on the roster that can match Duke; plus he has been on special teams, oddly enough.

 

 

I think Ray Ray will be eligible for the practice squad and could very well end up there.

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well... going nowhere for now.

 

I guarantee he doesn't have a long leash.

 

If he starts the season out dropping some passes or is invisible, he's probably going somewhere outside of top 3 WR rotation.

Ok you guarantee he doesn't have a long leash. That's about as meaningful as me saying I'm the President of the United States. Did I say it, sure. Is there any truth to it, nope.

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

It's great he can block, I'm not going to deny that, but his job is to get yards & TDs. He's pretty good at one and not so good at the other. On a side note how's Duke doing against the scrubs, oh wait 1 catch for 9 yards, if he's going to be a good WR in this league he should be dominating the guys he's playing against tonight. For all the talking up the announcers did about Duke in the first quarter, they each ended it as they don't know if he'll even make the team. I do have to admit, I forgot how big he really is. I wouldn't mind him being the #5, #6 or #7 WR(If we keep 7 WRs), it just shouldn't come because they got rid of Zay.

 

5 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

To be fair I didn't argue about his stats tonight at all, I did happened to mentioned them though. Just rubbing a little salt in the wound, that's all.??

 

Hunh?????

 

Duke had 2 contested over the middle catches on RPO plays that he snatched out of the air with his strong hands.

 

Then he was taken out of the game.

 

He solidified his roster spot with those 2 catches.

 

Don't even know what the heck you're talking about in terms of rubbing salt in a wound 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Ok you guarantee he doesn't have a long leash. That's about as meaningful as me saying I'm the President of the United States. Did I say it, sure. Is there any truth to it, nope.

 

Is Zay your brother or something?

 

Or you were a fan of him at East Carolina?

 

Your undying defense of him is bizarre.

 

I've said for awhile I think Zay makes the roster because Beane loves him and will give him absolutely every benefit of the doubt.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

4 wr sitting tonight, Beasley brown Roberts and zay.......

 

I guess they’ve already decided they are cutting Zay ? 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Is Zay your brother or something?

 

Or you were a fan of him at East Carolina?

 

Your undying defense of him is bizarre.

 

I've said for awhile I think Zay makes the roster because Beane loves him and will give him absolutely every benefit of the doubt.

You're going to be amazed by this, but he's not my brother & I never watched him in college. My "undying defense of him", oh burn! Damn I'll admit you really got me there, good one Ace!! He's not going to make the team because Beane loves him but doesn't deserve to be on the team, it's not how Beane has shown he works. He's going to make the team because he should to be on this team despite the opinions of you, me or anyone else. I'm defending him because he's shown improvement in his 2 years in the league and I believe he's gotten a raw deal so far in his career. He's had Tyrod, Peterman, Tyrod, Peterman, a rookie Josh Allen, a washed up Anderson, Barkley(He wasn't even on the team when we picked him up) & a rookie Josh Allen(In that order) throwing him passes in his 2 years here. No WR in this league is going to excel with those QBs throwing him the rock. You guaranteeing Zay is on a short leash is still priceless, I don't care what anyone says, like you have a say in the matter.??

[CLTbills]

Him not being on the field in the second half last night tells me he is making the cut.

 

I hope.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Hunh?????

 

Duke had 2 contested over the middle catches on RPO plays that he snatched out of the air with his strong hands.

 

Then he was taken out of the game.

 

He solidified his roster spot with those 2 catches.

 

Don't even know what the heck you're talking about in terms of rubbing salt in a wound 

Now I'm going to start this out by saying I believe he very well may make the roster, but once again this is a 26 year old, who's been out of college for several years, played 2 years in the CFL and the only things people can point to are a couple jump ball TDs and now two 9 yard receptions against scrubs. I defend Zay mainly because of all the Duke fan boys who will say he should make the team, but Zay shouldn't. What's Duke averaging per reception this preseason? A little under 9 yards a catch against mostly camp fodder guys. If he was good he would've dominated the guys he's been facing in the preseason. He's too sssssllllllooooowwwww to play between the 20s against starting CBs in this league, it's not the CFL. So at that point we're keeping him to catch a few jump balls in the Redzone. As I told Alpha earlier in the tread...Just my opinion, which I have the right to have, just like you have the right to yours.

[May Day 10]

Rooting for this guy

[Ta111]

Interesting take from Beane back on 8/1. Says important to have big body receivers and “separation” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, particularly in cold weather. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/298850/bills-wrs-might-be-smurfs-but-theres-a-place-for-them-in-nfl

[Mrbojanglezs]

8 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Ray Ray did well tonight, but I think he gets cut.

 

They already have two players (Roberts and Mckenzie) who can do what he does. There is no one on the roster that can match Duke; plus he has been on special teams, oddly enough.

 

 

Hopefully they can sneak ray ray to PS

[Rocky Landing]

18 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

It's great he can block, I'm not going to deny that, but his job is to get yards & TDs. He's pretty good at one and not so good at the other. On a side note how's Duke doing against the scrubs, oh wait 1 catch for 9 yards, if he's going to be a good WR in this league he should be dominating the guys he's playing against tonight. For all the talking up the announcers did about Duke in the first quarter, they each ended it as they don't know if he'll even make the team. I do have to admit, I forgot how big he really is. I wouldn't mind him being the #5, #6 or #7 WR(If we keep 7 WRs), it just shouldn't come because they got rid of Zay.

Wow. This is an amazing statement. I said in an earlier post that I didn't want to be the guy that accuses others of not understanding football, but you are definitely treading on 'doesn't-understand-football' territory, here. You can't not know that blocking was a big part of Duke's job last night? Considering many of the formations he was placed in, I suspected early on the coaches had him in there primarily to evaluate his blocking. He was lined up on the inside and blocking on just about every run play he was on the field for. He blocked for other receivers downfield on some plays. He did this because it's his job.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[reddogblitz]

16 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's a pretty strong endorsement.

 

 

this is exactly what we need and have needed since we ran off Sammy and Woods off.

 

Who else on our roster comes down with that TD vs Lions?  Or last years?

 

Come on Beane. Do the right thing.

15 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Ray Ray has a much better shot at clearing waivers than Duke does IMHO.

Edited August 30, 2019 by reddogblitz

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

this is exactly what we need and have needed since we ran off Sammy and Woods off.

 

Who else on our roster comes down with that TD vs Lions?  Or last years?

 

Come on Beane. Do the right thing.

 

Ray Ray has a much better shot at clearing waivers than Duke does IMHO.

No doubt. Ray Ray is a little built up in Buffalo, I think both by fans and players. You can’t not love the guy. But from a tape perspective, he’s had some mistakes that really call his consistency into question. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[MAJBobby]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Wow. This is an amazing statement. I said in an earlier post that I didn't want to be the guy that accuses others of not understanding football, but you are definitely treading on 'doesn't-understand-football' territory, here. You can't not know that blocking was a big part of Duke's job last night? Considering many of the formations he was placed in, I suspected early on the coaches had him in there primarily to evaluate his blocking. He was lined up on the inside and blocking on just about every run play he was on the field for. He blocked for other receivers downfield on some plays. He did this because it's his job.

Blocking is important for WRs, TEs, and RBs, and it's just another reason this offense was so bad last year. I like how they've shored up the fundamental part: Frank Gore is known as an excellent blocker. Clay sucked as a receiving TE last year, and my impression was that his blocking was no better, so adding Kroft and Knox (Lee Smith too?) should help. And while blocking may be icing on the cake for wideouts, it is still an important tie-breaker when deciding whether, say, Duke vs. Ray Ray make the team.

[transplantbillsfan]

So I didn't see this article posted before game 4, but it's a good one.

 

Note that the article says that Duke's been shining in his preseason games AND in practice.

 

Plenty of other really good quotes from Duke and his teammates that really just make me wanna see him get his shot.

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So I didn't see this article posted before game 4, but it's a good one.

 

Note that the article says that Duke's been shining in his preseason games AND in practice.

 

Plenty of other really good quotes from Duke and his teammates that really just make me wanna see him get his shot.

 

 

I guess Beane's thoughts were more aligned with mine. I really do hope we put him on the PS and he's ready to roll next year for us after being with an NFL team for a whole year. My bet is he just does have enough speed to play in between the 20s, which was by far my biggest complaint of Duke. I still say switching to TE would probably be in his best interest where top end WR speed isn't required. 

[Bangarang]

Goodnight my sweet prince 

[StHustle]

Wow so we cut Duke..WTF

Cole

Brown

Zay

Roberts

McKenzie 

Foster

 

its is then

.

Don't think Duke will clear waivers. I hope Im wrong.

[ChicagoRic]

I'm a Williams fan, but I gotta trust the coaches on this one.  Right now I think there's about 75% chance he winds up on the practice squad.  If that's the case, remember that Smurfs get hurt.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

22 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

this is exactly what we need and have needed since we ran off Sammy and Woods off.

 

 

 

You lost me when you stated we had this in Sammy!!

 

And Woods was a FA, could go wherever he wanted.  Rumors were he wanted to go to a west coast team so he did.