PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just looked up cocaine laws in NH. This is some bad juju. Hope he's got a good lawyer and a judge who's a Patriots season ticket holder. Quote New Hampshire has some of the toughest drug laws in the country, with the possibility of prison for possession of any amount of cocaine. New Hampshire is one of only a few states that still has tougher sentencing guidelines for crack cocaine than for powder. The state offers alternatives to prison for non-violent drug offenders who agree to undergo treatment and regular monitoring during a probationary period. See FindLaw's Drug Chargessection for more articles. Code Section 318-B:1, et seq. Possession Possession of any amount -- unless intent to distribute is determined -- charged as a Class B felony (up to 7 yrs. and/or up to $2,000 fine); charged as Class A felony for second offense (up to 15 yrs. and/or $4,000 fine) Sale/Trafficking Less than .5 oz: up to 7 yrs. and/or $100,000 fine (up to 15 yrs. and/or $200,000 fine for 2nd offense) More than .5 oz. but less than 5 oz.: up to 20 yrs. and/or $300,000 fine (up to 40 yrs. and/or $400,000 fine for 2nd offense) More than 5 oz.: 30 yrs. and/or $500,000 fine (up to life in prison and/or $500,000 for 2nd offense) Crack Cocaine Less than 1g: up to 7 yrs. and/or $100,000 fine; more than 1g but less than 5g: up 40 yrs. and/or $500,000 fine; more than 5g: up to life imprisonment and/or $500,000 fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, Doc said: Likewise, keep WEOing on by offering legal defenses. For everyone who doesn’t play for the Bills, that is... I haven't offered a legal defense for Chung. You made that up too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just looked up cocaine laws in NH. This is some bad juju. Hope he's got a good lawyer and a judge who's a Patriots season ticket holder. This is why no models live in NH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Call me soft, but I think it should be a misdemeanor. Our drug laws are nuts. If it's his first offense, he shouldn't sit at all. Not sure if it is, of course. Anyway, that Bills team in the late 1980s was pretty out of control. Let's not forget that. I could see the misdeameanor charge in general. But it continually amazes me how an employer (the NFL) sets rules and policies for its employees (the players) and when the employee breaks the rules it somehow the employer's fault. Like Brown and the crap about his helmet. 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If TMZ existed now, Kelly would have been suspended multiple times. Reading Relentless, I think there was a huge cocaine nfl investigation involving Jim and I believe Bruce. Glass houses. I have no doubt Kelly and Smith would have been in deep doo doo if we had the 24/7 media crush then as we have now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is why no models live in NH. This is also a cautionary tale about installing home alarm systems that automatically notify the police. It's an engraved invitation for law enforcement to check out your crib. That said, the local paper here are saying that the NFL will likely not act until they issue go to trial and Chung will likely not miss any games this year. That's Judge Goodell for you. The scales of justice always tilt towards Foxboro. Edited August 23, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just looked up cocaine laws in NH. This is some bad juju. No, he’s on the Steelers. * I’m not asking you who’s on second! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 You think it will be bad in NFL, check this story out... https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27445596/iihf-suspends-kuznetsov-4-years-cocaine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, fansince88 said: Im not going to go over this with you forwver. If you dont understand then I give up. If the police respond to a burglary alarm they already have consent to search due to the contract you sign. If they enter your house and find Cocaine they cant turn a blind eye to that. When you sign the contract with a security company entrance and search by police is part of the contract. If that is in your contract then hide your drugs better. Once illegal activity of any sorts is known a search warrant will be issued. Is that clear enough for you? This is correct. If the people on the contact list dont asnwer the phone when the alarm company calls, it is not considered a false alarm. Police have probable cause to enter the house. They cannot use that probable cause to go through drawers and boxes looking for contraband but if it is out in the open then the Police can act on it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 22 hours ago, JohnC said: Something is off here. The alarm goes off and the police respond to the house. Was the house vacant? How did they get in? Were the doors and window locked? What was so suspicious about this situation that made them enter the house without permission? The police respond to alarms all the time. What they usually do after a cursory outside check is notify the owners, not enter the premises. Just because he owns the home doesn't mean that you can presume that the drugs are his. Does anyone else use the house? Something is off here. I wouldn't be surprised that after his attorney gets involved this case will be dismissed. Chung may have a bigger problem with the league than he does with the legal authorities. If the house was open the police would go in. If the house is secure from the outside, you don't stick around. Coke in plain view? I hope the police had a body cam. If not there would seem to be plenty of room for reasonable doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: This is correct. If the people on the contact list dont asnwer the phone when the alarm company calls, it is not considered a false alarm. Police have probable cause to enter the house. They cannot use that probable cause to go through drawers and boxes looking for contraband but if it is out in the open then the Police can act on it. Thanks. That all said this would be my defense. I wasnt home and my alarm went off presumably because someone went in and planted the substance. Not guilty. 2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: If the house was open the police would go in. If the house is secure from the outside, you don't stick around. Coke in plain view? I hope the police had a body cam. If not there would seem to be plenty of room for reasonable doubt. Agreed. If he doesnt plead guilty this is really wide open for him to get off if it was just laying in plain view. Especially since the alarm was the reason for entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Thanks. That all said this would be my defense. I wasnt home and my alarm went off presumably because someone went in and planted the substance. Not guilty. Having a defense and a successful defense are different. Why do you think this would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 As the chart Promo showed up above, Chung will get a $2000 fine from the state and a wrist slap from Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Thanks. That all said this would be my defense. I wasnt home and my alarm went off presumably because someone went in and planted the substance. Not guilty. Agreed. If he doesnt plead guilty this is really wide open for him to get off if it was just laying in plain view. Especially since the alarm was the reason for entry. If Chung is lucky he was renting the house or letting a friend stay there and it is on them. If he is unlucky, his fingerprints would be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: If Chung is lucky he was renting the house or letting a friend stay there and it is on them. If he is unlucky, his fingerprints would be on it. Yeah hopefully he wasnt licking his fingers to clean up the rest of the mirror 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Yeah hopefully he wasnt licking his fingers to clean up the rest of the mirror Golden straw or rolled hundred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsfanAZ said: Golden straw or rolled hundred? One of each for each nostril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: If the house was open the police would go in. If the house is secure from the outside, you don't stick around. Coke in plain view? I hope the police had a body cam. If not there would seem to be plenty of room for reasonable doubt. As you suggested there is room for reasonable doubt. Right now we don't have enough information on this case. A lot of people made assumptions in the Kraft sex case that also presented some problematic issues. That case quickly disintegrated after his lawyers got involved. Chung is not going to be using public defenders to defend himself. The attorneys he will use will be high caliber and expensive. Every jurisdiction is different. I'm confident that in the DC system if you brought them this possession case with what little we know about it they would not act on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said: This is correct. If the people on the contact list dont asnwer the phone when the alarm company calls, it is not considered a false alarm. Police have probable cause to enter the house. They cannot use that probable cause to go through drawers and boxes looking for contraband but if it is out in the open then the Police can act on it. That sounds like the screenplay for a ‘crooked cop’ movie. “Hey, I left a pound of coke on the counter while I ran out to the liquor store...it’s gone!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: You think it will be bad in NFL, check this story out... https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27445596/iihf-suspends-kuznetsov-4-years-cocaine And the nhl won’t suspend him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: And the nhl won’t suspend him for it. I found it interesting that in the NHL they dont even mandate they go to therapy, only if the player wants to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Basically it is... Fined and probation in the USA? no jail? jeez i have heard on the 6 O clock news that some felons went to jail..i better stop watching CNN i guess. Edited August 23, 2019 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Having a defense and a successful defense are different. Why do you think this would work? Innocent until proven guilty. I would think burden of proof would have to be that beyond a shadow of a doubt there was no way that someone didnt break in (causing the alarm to go off) and set the stuff in his place and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 10 hours ago, fansince88 said: Innocent until proven guilty. I would think burden of proof would have to be that beyond a shadow of a doubt there was no way that someone didnt break in (causing the alarm to go off) and set the stuff in his place and leave. There are these things called fingerprints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: This is also a cautionary tale about installing home alarm systems that automatically notify the police. It's an engraved invitation for law enforcement to check out your crib. That said, the local paper here are saying that the NFL will likely not act until they issue go to trial and Chung will likely not miss any games this year. That's Judge Goodell for you. The scales of justice always tilt towards Foxboro. Actually, in criminal matters, that's usually how the NFL response--to let the justice system run its course before deciding on suspension. 21 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said: This is correct. If the people on the contact list dont asnwer the phone when the alarm company calls, it is not considered a false alarm. Police have probable cause to enter the house. They cannot use that probable cause to go through drawers and boxes looking for contraband but if it is out in the open then the Police can act on it. Not sure if you guys have had home alarm systems, but they are not "an invitation for law enforcement to check out your crib". If there is no response from the owner through usually 2 listed phone numbers, the cops are sent. If they knock and no one answers, they will check the outside of the house for evidence of forced entry. If the see it, they will secure the area and begin the investigation. If there is no evidence of forced entry, they will hang out for a while. They do not bust into the house. Edited August 24, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: There are these things called fingerprints. Fingerprints on Cocaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 2:39 PM, CardinalScotts said: at the VERY least Chung either has a cocaine problem or is a dealer....its not going away He may not touch it and it may be for his guests. You still can get in trouble for allowing illegal drugs on your property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, fansince88 said: Fingerprints on Cocaine? Ever heard of a bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 10:30 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Just looked up cocaine laws in NH. This is some bad juju. Hope he's got a good lawyer and a judge who's a Patriots season ticket holder. Hmmm .. I wonder if we would get the same consideration .... need 8 months to gather more information .. that is some serious investigations for a straightforward situation. What are the odds that the initial discussion that led to the agreement to postpone until March were had in a comfortable box shaped office high over a stadium. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: Hmmm .. I wonder if we would get the same consideration .... need 8 months to gather more information .. that is some serious investigations for a straightforward situation. In light of your insinuated claim of favouritism, the NFL has awarded a compensatory draft pick to the New England Patriots. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: In light of your insinuated claim of favouritism, the NFL has awarded a compensatory draft pick to the New England Patriots. I don’t believe you until @Roger Goodell confirms it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 So wait, he's still active and playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So wait, he's still active and playing? Yup. Courtesy of the Patriots legal team and cozy relationships with regional court officials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 People still do cocaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Just now, TigerJ said: Yup. Courtesy of the Patriots legal team and cozy relationships with regional court officials? I would think their relationship with Goodell and the Commissioner's Exempt List would play into this somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, iinii said: People still do cocaine? Hey, if bell bottoms could make a come back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 11:12 AM, ToGoGo said: I mean....how much cocaine? It doesn't say. Hate to break it to the squares here, but half the NFL does cocaine. Was Chung in possession for use or was he dealing? Squares here? ? Cocaine is so '80s and '90s. Pot. The indictment is for "possession". Felony charge, and New Hampshire, so quantity unknown. "Little people" in the NFL be slammed onto the Commissioner's Exempt List while it plays out in court, but evidently Patriots are "exempt" from that. Heck, can even get their court date delayed until after the season. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Squares here? ? Cocaine is so '80s and '90s. Pot. The indictment is for "possession". Felony charge, and New Hampshire, so quantity unknown. "Little people" in the NFL be slammed onto the Commissioner's Exempt List while it plays out in court, but evidently Patriots are "exempt" from that. Heck, can even get their court date delayed until after the season. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/patriots-patrick-chung-to-return-to-court-after-season-ends/97-de319365-3ab0-4a43-804b-e1eed5368e3c New Hampshire has two classes of Felony: A and B. B is the lesser of the two and what Chung was indicted on. Also (from the SI article linked below): "Given that Chung was charged with possession, rather than a more serious offense for manufacturing cocaine or intent to traffic cocaine, the amount discovered must have indicated personal use. An absence of nearby suspicious items, such as bags and cash, would also be consistent with a finding that the drugs were for use rather than for sale or distribution." https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/22/patrick-chung-patriots-felony-cocaine-possession-charge This is - in a way - similar to what Kraft went through. I say this because had Kraft taken ANY kind of plea deal, he'd have been admitting guilt. Slap on the wrist as a citizen; open to far harsher penalties from the NFL. Since it appears that this cocaine was for personal use, a plea deal would just cost him a very affordable (for him) fine, most likely. But I'm guessing he'll go the Kraft route; take advantage of the extra time; and get a team of lawyers to do whatever it take$ to get this thrown out altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gugny said: New Hampshire has two classes of Felony: A and B. B is the lesser of the two and what Chung was indicted on. Also (from the SI article linked below): "Given that Chung was charged with possession, rather than a more serious offense for manufacturing cocaine or intent to traffic cocaine, the amount discovered must have indicated personal use. An absence of nearby suspicious items, such as bags and cash, would also be consistent with a finding that the drugs were for use rather than for sale or distribution." https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/22/patrick-chung-patriots-felony-cocaine-possession-charge This is - in a way - similar to what Kraft went through. I say this because had Kraft taken ANY kind of plea deal, he'd have been admitting guilt. Slap on the wrist as a citizen; open to far harsher penalties from the NFL. Since it appears that this cocaine was for personal use, a plea deal would just cost him a very affordable (for him) fine, most likely. But I'm guessing he'll go the Kraft route; take advantage of the extra time; and get a team of lawyers to do whatever it take$ to get this thrown out altogether. Apparently his team is trying to get the evidence dismissed as "inadmissable" by questioning the legality of the search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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