1st&ten Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No Way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2016, 15 games, 322 carries 2017, 10 games, 242 carries 2018, 15 games, 304 carries This behind one of the very best offensive lines in the NFL with three pro bowl,all pro players on that line. He was also their leading receiver last year with 77 receptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 This would be a similar mistake to what the Jets did with Bell. All that money for a FA RB. Silly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Yup, with outs in the contract for behavioral issues. Zeke on this team, we're talking Super Bowl contender. He's a Hall of Fame caliber RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yes. He’s one of the best 10 players in football and complete. The Bills could use a star skill player. He’d fill that role. I think the Bills' RB situation is arguably the best in the league, so no, I wouldn't make that trade. They need that first to take a stud WR next year in what's going to be an amazing WR draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: the pegulas are hardly involved in any of the operations. they leave it up to the front office and coaches to sort ***** out. unlike jerry who not only wants to make all the decisions, but also wants to be KNOWN for making all of them. Can you see Terry or Kim Pegula ever saying Zeke who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 For a 1st rounder, he better not be a suspension risk and have at least another year under contract. So, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yes. He’s one of the best 10 players in football and complete. The Bills could use a star skill player. He’d fill that role. No one can argue that he isn't an elite player. Without question he is the best and most important player on offense for Dallas. However, I don't trust him, especially off the field. I'm not categorizing him as a bad dude but he is an immature and volatile person who has a history of incidents. None of the incidents individually are at a serious level. But when he continues to have incident after incident when he is already in a precarious situation with the league then his behavior is too problematic to make a major investment in and commitment to. No thank you. Edited August 21, 2019 by JohnC grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: And pay him how much?? ...any idea when his NEXT and ANTICIPATED extensively ruminated indiscretion is scheduled for...just askin''...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think the Bills' RB situation is arguably the best in the league, so no, I wouldn't make that trade. They need that first to take a stud WR next year in what's going to be an amazing WR draft. ^^this right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think the Bills' RB situation is arguably the best in the league, so no, I wouldn't make that trade. They need that first to take a stud WR next year in what's going to be an amazing WR draft. If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). give it up kirby. there aint no zeke comin' 'round here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Big Buckeye fan--- not in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: No one can argue that he isn't an elite player. Without question he is the best and most important player on offense for Dallas. However, I don't trust him, especially off the field. I'm not categorizing him as a bad dude but he is an immature and volatile person who has a history of incidents. None of the incidents individually are at a serious level. But when he continues to have incident after incident when he is already in a precarious situation with the league then his behavior is too problematic to make a major investment in and commitment to. No thank you. This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be. 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: give it up kirby. there aint no zeke comin' 'round here. The question wasn’t, “is he coming?” The question was, “would you give up a 1st for him?” For me, it is unequivocally yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). I agree. Imagine Zeke and Singletary back there. I’d offer a 3rd, but I think someone would offer more. Fun to think about but so is winning the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: No one can argue that he isn't an elite player. Without question he is the best and most important player on offense for Dallas. However, I don't trust him, especially off the field. I'm not categorizing him as a bad dude but he is an immature and volatile person who has a history of incidents. None of the incidents individually are at a serious level. But when he continues to have incident after incident when he is already in a precarious situation with the league then his behavior is too problematic to make a major investment in and commitment to. No thank you. ...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be. The question wasn’t, “is he coming?” The question was, “would you give up a 1st for him?” For me, it is unequivocally yes. okay then, they aint giving up no 1st for the zekester... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: okay then, they aint giving up no 1st for the zekester... It isn’t, “will they?” It is, “would you?” I definitely would. I don’t think that they will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) I personally would not, being a RB and all (late first). The irony is all the dolts on here that were saying McCoy could fetch a 2 last year and leading into this season, and McCoy couldn't carry Elliot's jock. ****Edit....a first 24-32 yes. Edited August 21, 2019 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Why would you give up a first for Zeke, as good as he is, when you could have signed Lev Bell in the offseason for no compensation? I'm assuming Zeke will want a contract similar to Bell if you were to trade for him. Granted, Zeke is younger, but they are very similar backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 id trade for his o-line though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?...... He’s always been at his best in his biggest games. Look at his last 3 games in the championship year. He had 220, 230 and 246 with 8 TDs. He was, by miles, the best player on the field (including everyone from Alabama). The Cowboys have been a totally different team when he is out there too. I don’t feel like looking it up now but it’s drastically different (saw the graphic the other day). He’s ELITE 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Why would you give up a first for Zeke, as good as he is, when you could have signed Lev Bell in the offseason for no compensation? I'm assuming Zeke will want a contract similar to Bell if you were to trade for him. Granted, Zeke is younger, but they are very similar backs. Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 He's also only 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I wouldn’t..but it seems things are getting pretty toxic between Zeke and Jerry in Dallas just curious if you’d be willing to trade a 1 for him and then give him a contract extension Tell the truth....you did this just to get Kirby fired up, didn’t you? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be. I would take Saquan Barkley over him not because he is a better player but because he is a more reliable person. Don't misconstrue what I am saying here: Zeke is a great football player. When Zeke is on the field he drives the offense even more than their qb. I would have little fear in mortgaging some of my future for Saquan Barkley. But I would be very queasy about doing it for the more aggressive Buckeye socializer. He is the type of chap that whenever you get one of those late night or early morning phone calls the first thought that comes to mind before answering the phone is I hope it isn't about Zeke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Hmmmm, I will play along. Dallas is on a bind with cap and the holdout. If we could agree on a 2 year contract for say $30 million. $20 guaranteed. I would trade Shady for him and toss in a pick in the 3rd. Thst could work for both. At the end of two years let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I wouldn’t..but it seems things are getting pretty toxic between Zeke and Jerry in Dallas just curious if you’d be willing to trade a 1 for him and then give him a contract extension Nope, RB's are a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I’d do it for a second round pick, and the Bills will be picking so far down in the draft, the first round pick will almost be like a second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?...... He is a great talent and football player regardless how good the line is. His value increases because he plays behind that formidable line. There are a variety of levels of talent at every position. He is at the top or vying for the top at his position. As I said in a prior post he is the most important offensive player on the Cowboys. And that ranking includes the qb and the receiving unit. He is that good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No, I hate dynamic top-ten players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: I would take Saquan Barkley over him not because he is a better player but because he is a more reliable person. Don't misconstrue what I am saying here: Zeke is a great football player. When Zeke is on the field he drives the offense even more than their qb. I would have little fear in mortgaging some of my future for Saquan Barkley. But I would be very queasy about doing it for the more aggressive Buckeye socializer. He is the type of chap that whenever you get one of those late night or early morning phone calls the first thought that comes to mind before answering the phone is I hope it isn't about Zeke! Totally fair and would take Saquon as well. He has less mileage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 With the Cap space. I would consider it. Throw in McCoy, make Zeke the highest paid back. Give him the majority of the money the first 2 to 3 years of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s always been at his best in his biggest games. Look at his last 3 games in the championship year. He had 220, 230 and 246 with 8 TDs. He was, by miles, the best player on the field (including everyone from Alabama). The Cowboys have been a totally different team when he is out there too. I don’t feel like looking it up now but it’s drastically different (saw the graphic the other day). He’s ELITE Fair point ...strictly personal preference......he has two years left on his deal and thinks he's "entitled"...and he's been such a "good citizen (SERIOUSLY?)"...maybe I'm too old school, but I loathe that "it's me and I am bigger then the game" crap......put RG I 5/8 , Cam. and Kaep in THAT basket a s well as others...times are good and it's "ME"....a loss and teammates are "under the bus in a nanosecond"....eff them.....wanna see a class act (not one of your favs so noted)?...Josh Allen....humble, mindful and respectful of the game, realizing those who have paved the way to his financial opportunity.....perfect quote was, "this is OUR team and OUR family"...and willing to work his arse off on weaknesses to get better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Totally fair and would take Saquon as well. He has less mileage too. The league has to address the issue of contracts as it applies to running backs. Under the current system the backs are discriminated against because their life-span is shorter. In addition, as with the Lev'an (sic) Bell situation there are backs who make up a disproportionate part of the offense because they are central to the running and passing game. Although Zeke's current contract is in force it is not fair that the current standard of pay applies to him and the position. The fairest approach would be to make the backs first contract shorter than everyone else because their football life span is shorter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 100% absolutely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No. It's not just a first round pick. It would also be a large contract which would take away a free agent signing and maybe more. If you want a playmaker you have to draft them otherwise it's too expensive imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Trade a first round pick, in the NFL Draft, for...a running back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Can the regular season start? Please? Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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