Good Night / Bad Night - Pre-Season Game 1

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

haven't watched the game ... we can safely say Josh Allen didn't have a great night

 

all the lols

 

[FiftyPercent]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think your missing the point

ALL qbs.....and I dont care which one you point to.....Brady...Manning...Rivers....whoever...they ALL throw bad passes.

 

The difference is that THEIR recievers make plays for them....so the bad passes get forgotten.....and ppl just look to the box score.

 

Wanna know what I liked from last night?   Put Cole Beasely to work....used a short gain receiver which he did not do a lot last year....didnt immediately take off and run....and didnt take hits.   Its called progression.

 

Of course all QB's throw bad passes.  However, the ones who throw the least number of bad passes typically have more success in the league. I say typically because there have been players like Favre, however that was a special case.  We have better odds of having a successful championship run if Allen is more accurate than more Favre-like.

[VW82]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

all the lols

 

 

His stats aren't great and we didn't score with him in the game. What was your read of it? I'm looking forward to seeing what happened. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, FiftyPercent said:

https://buffalonews.com/2019/08/08/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-indianapolis-colts-zay-jones-cole-beasley-nfl-football/

 

 

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As usual, the most impressive element of Allen's game was running.

Didn't Allen only run like once maybe twice?

4 minutes ago, VW82 said:

I haven't watched the game yet (taping later tonight on NFLN) but I think we can safely say Josh Allen didn't have a great night. He finished 6/11 for only 66 yards and 0 points. People keep talking about Zay's drop. WRs drop the ball sometimes. Good QBs find them enough that it doesn't matter. We clearly tried to put the ball in Allen's hands and unlike his 2018 draft class counterparts his offense didn't produce.  

I've highlighted the important part of this statement.

[Gugny]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Didn't Allen only run like once maybe twice?

I've highlighted the important part of this statement.

 

He ran once.  Eight yards to the first down marker.  And got out of bounds untouched.

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

That ball is caught likely a high percentage of the time by NFL receivers. However, if the ball is placed so the gate of the WR does not have to change, the completion % of that play increases.

 

I have had a perfectly cooked filet, and let me tell you, this is at least 3 degrees above mid-rare.

 

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

 

His stats aren't great and we didn't score with him in the game. What was your read of it? I'm looking forward to seeing what happened. 

 

The team didn't score with him in the game because Zay Jones dropped an easy-money TD and the kicker hit the upright on the ensuing attempt.

[Deranged Rhino]

Way late to this, but my list: 

 

Good Night:

* Oliver (dude was everywhere)

* Shaq (pushing for more time)

* Beane

 

Bad Night:

* Yeldon (bye)

* Bodine (double bye)

* Vlad (still can't believe he's on the roster... but soon)

[K-9]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

The team didn't score with him in the game because Zay Jones dropped an easy-money TD and the kicker hit the upright on the ensuing attempt.

Thank you for this. Allen moved the chains. He was a little amped his first series and then flat out had a very good second series. He was trending in a positive direction before being removed for the night. Hard to see how anyone who watched the game could say he had a poor outing. 

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

Of course all QB's throw bad passes.  However, the ones who throw the least number of bad passes typically have more success in the league. I say typically because there have been players like Favre, however that was a special case.  We have better odds of having a successful championship run if Allen is more accurate than more Favre-like.

Oh I dont know....Farvre did alright?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

His stats aren't great and we didn't score with him in the game. What was your read of it? I'm looking forward to seeing what happened. 

 

He missed two passes on his first series, and was nearly perfect on his second, including an EASY TD dropped by jones.

 

[FLFan]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Bodine I disagree on. I don't think he was fine. I think he was pushed around. 

If Bodine is playing Center for this team at any point, we are in trouble.  Either Felciano or Long will be the back up center.  When they are healthy, Bodine is third string, which he should be.  

[FiftyPercent]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Oh I dont know....Farvre did alright?

 

Oh he sure did, that's why I said exception.  If Allen is the next Favre then we're all set.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, FiftyPercent said:

 

Oh he sure did, that's why I said exception.  If Allen is the next Favre then we're all set.

I just really feel that Josh is a different cat then the NFL is used to seeing

 

Can make EVERY throw....huge arm

Huge physical specimen

but also a freakishly good running QB

 

I am wondering if Josh is not more like John Elway

[Coach Tuesday]

I missed a few pages here - are we still all trying to convince that one guy?

[mrags]

43 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

You are on an entire different wave length and have zero idea what was even being discussed.

No. I’m pretty sore I’ve got a clue. You were giving praise to Bodine play, and saying he’s a good run blocker. You also made an excuse about his high snap over Barkley’s head, saying it’s not easy to go from a 6’5” QB to a 6’2” QB. And that’s why he had struggles when Barkley was under center. But Bodine didn’t play with Allen at all yesterday and you are clueless. Bodine is terrible. About the only guy worse on the line right now is Ducasse and they should both be cut. 

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just really feel that Josh is a different cat then the NFL is used to seeing

 

Can make EVERY throw....huge arm

Huge physical specimen

but also a freakishly good running QB

 

I am wondering if Josh is not more like John Elway

The similarities to Elway are uncanny, right down to the completion percentage issue. But I don’t think it’s gonna take Allen 10 seasons, like it did Elway,  before he hits that magical 60% threshold that’s been arbitrarily applied as a barometer of how good a QB is. 

Edited August 9, 2019 by K-9

[Gugny]

Up to three, now.  Damn shame.

[jletha]

30 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

That ball is caught likely a high percentage of the time by NFL receivers. However, if the ball is placed so the gate of the WR does not have to change, the completion % of that play increases.

I get that of course, but can you answer my question. If the coach and you go back to review that tape, who take more of the blame on that Rivers throw? And what percentage of the blame is it?

[FiftyPercent]

Just now, jletha said:

I get that of course, but can you answer my question. If the coach and you go back to review that tape, who take more of the blame on that Rivers throw? And what percentage of the blame is it?

 

Hmm, I have no idea if coaches would use percentage to assign blame, that doesn't sound right to me.  I would think a coach would tell the receiver you have to make that catch, as well as tell the QB you need to place the ball more accurately to increase chance of success. IMO, the majority of the blame on that play goes to the WR.  However, the overall chance of success of the play increases if the ball is better placed.

 

If QB-X places the ball in stride 8 times out of 10 on that play vs. QB-Y placing it in stride 6 out of 10 times, over the course of a game/season/career, QB-X has the better odds of being more successful in the NFL. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, FiftyPercent said:

If QB-X places the ball in stride 8 times out of 10 on that play vs. QB-Y placing it in stride 6 out of 10 times, over the course of a game/season/career, QB-X has the better odds of being more successful in the NFL. 

 

This is brilliant.  I bet you're an engineer.  And I bet you're smarter than DC Tom.  Wicked cool.

[Misterbluesky]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

Not sure they can trust Zay any more.  You can't be dropping perfect passes like that one.  I think he just may be fighting for a roster spot at this point.

Doc,If you watch the drop at the one yard line again..it appears the sun hit his visor..causing him to lose focus.

I'm not exactly backing him because I believe he fights the football on nearly every ball..it's a mental thing..imo.

He has to find a way to relax and have fun out there...when he came out of the tent,he nearly looked like he was sad and not happy that he was cleared to return.

 

[Rocky Landing]

More than once, Beane has talked about carrying five WRs. McKensie was decent enough, but I'm not sure he did enough to lock up a sixth spot, which may not exist. His one decent turn at kick return was pretty late in the game. His other attempts were unremarkable. Like everyone else, I have just been assuming there would be six WRs on this team. After last night, especially with Roberts getting time with the first team offense, I could definitely see five WRs making the roster, and possibly carrying four RBs. Senorise Perry looked better on ST, and had some nice runs on offense. Call this a bold prediction, but I would not be surprised to see McKensie and McCloud out, and Perry in.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

21 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The similarities to Elway are uncanny, right down to the completion percentage issue. But I don’t think it’s gonna take Allen 10 seasons, like it did Elway,  before he hits that magical 60% threshold that’s been arbitrarily applied as a barometer of how good a QB is. 

 

Well you can't compare fairly completion percentages from the 80's to today's NFL though.

[Philo]

25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I missed a few pages here - are we still all trying to convince that one guy?

 

Kinda, another guy tagged in...

[jletha]

7 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

Hmm, I have no idea if coaches would use percentage to assign blame, that doesn't sound right to me.  I would think a coach would tell the receiver you have to make that catch, as well as tell the QB you need to place the ball more accurately to increase chance of success. IMO, the majority of the blame on that play goes to the WR.  However, the overall chance of success of the play increases if the ball is better placed.

 

If QB-X places the ball in stride 8 times out of 10 on that play vs. QB-Y placing it in stride 6 out of 10 times, over the course of a game/season/career, QB-X has the better odds of being more successful in the NFL. 

Dude I understand how football works. The more often you do good things, the more often good things happen haha. Youre not explaining a difficult concept. I was asking a specific question that you still dance around. I didnt ask "Do you think coaches use percentages?" I actually dont think they do. I was asking for your percentage assignment  and since you refused to answer the first time I brought up the coaching analogy You said majority, is it 51% or 75%?

 

Btw, if youre curious, if a kicker kicks the ball straight 9/10 times he has a better chance at making kicks than a kicker than only kicks it straight 6/10 times.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, FiftyPercent said:

 

I mean, it's probability.  The more well placed balls, the better odds the ball is caught.

 

But that ball should have nearly a 100% catch rate.

[The Wiz]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

But that ball should have nearly a 100% catch rate.

But that 1% of the time it's not is 100% because it was a bad throw. 

 

At least in his mind that's how percentages work. 

[jrober38]

Allen looked poised in the pocket, but his accuracy was still suspect. At least a couple uncatchable passes to guys who were open. 

 

The defense looks amazing the offense should be better. If Allen doesn't crap the bed we should make the playoffs as a wildcard I think. 

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, skibum said:

I feel like the preseason games don't mean as much as they should as far as roster decisions go. How many times have we seen a guy like Brandon Reilly pile up numbers in the second half of these games, only to get cut anyway? I feel like that's what's probably going to happen with McKenzie and Wade. Shining in the second half of a preseason game doesn't seem to get you anywhere, because if the coaching staff thought you were better, they would have played you earlier in the game. 

I agree.

 

That said, I agree with a bunch of what @GunnerBill said. 

 

As far as Allen goes, how many times have I seen a big armed QB come out in the first few series of a game and make errant throws, mostly overthrows. Allen did fine and if Zay Jones makes that catch Allen's percentage and overall look goes up. 

 

If the team had a backup center on the roster better then Bodine,I suspect he would have been cut after the game with that snap over Barkley's head. Saying that I also think TJ Yeldon will be gone after the first cuts. Turnovers are a game killer. 

 

My biggest takeaway was the Bills defense looking so good and even with the backups. We watched Ed Oliver destroy Bodine in camp but we never thought he would do as well against Quinton Nelson.

 

A lot to like from that first pre season game for Bills fans. 

[ddaryl]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front....

Ball placed in the direct center of his body.  

 

 

 

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

But that 1% of the time it's not is 100% because it was a bad throw. 

 

At least in his mind that's how percentages work. 

 

 

5 outta 4 people are bad at math

[Joe Miner]

Good night:  Bills fans 

 

Bad night: The 2 or 3 trolls in this thread.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

 

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

No Way you can blame that on Zay. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that catch. I mean that has to be an inch or maybe 2 off perfect.

 

 

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

 

 

yes you are missing the sarcasm... I should add [/sarcasm] tags.. 1 or 2 inches from perfect in the NFL is still perfect 

Edited August 9, 2019 by ddaryl

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

BECAUSE HE STACKED THE CORNER!!! WHAT ARE YOU NOT SEEING?!?!?!

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

what? am i missing sarcasm?

 

 

 

If you have to ask ...

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

BECAUSE HE STACKED THE CORNER!!! WHAT ARE YOU NOT SEEING?!?!?!

 

[billsbackto81]

6 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Singletary looked very good in his first pre-season game and at this point I don’t think we could expect much more. 

He had 6 catches his entire final season in college. He had 3 last night.

 

Catches the ball better than many thought he would. Good in space and just fast enough. As mentioned, won't beat you to the edge but definitely a chain mover.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

The team didn't score with him in the game because Zay Jones dropped an easy-money TD and the kicker hit the upright on the ensuing attempt.

 

More brilliance.  I guess Josh has to catch his passes as well as kick FG's. 

 

Jones makes what should have been an easy reception and Josh finishes 7-11 (63.6%) for 84 yards (7.6 YPA) and a TD. 

 

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The funniest thing about this pic is Cuddy was legitimately arguing that the pass caused Zay to open up his hip because it was off target.

Where is that hip open?  In that still photo, how in the world is the hip open?

 

He opened his hips up after he bungled the catch and started flailing for the ball. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

More brilliance.  I guess Josh has to catch his passes as well as kick FG's. 

 

Jones makes what should have been an easy reception and Josh finishes 7-11 (63.6%) for 84 yards (7.6 YPA) and a TD. 

 

 

For the record, this post was directed to a poster that legitimately hadn't watched the game and was genuinely asking a question.