Good Night / Bad Night - Pre-Season Game 1

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

What is going on here?

 

Trolly McTroll-troll.  Ignore him.

[eball]

Just now, teef said:

What is going on here?

 

 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Allen threw the ball from the 24 yard line and it landed at the 4.

 

It was not 7-10 yards.

 

Allen exposed Jones' ribcage in the middle of the field.  YOU DON"T DO THAT!!!!

 

It's pretty common knowledge even in HS.

 

The safety was 3 yards away, and Jones took two steps before he got hit.  If he secures the ball, he's in a position to take a hit.   

 

Using your logic, no QB should be throwing the ball in the middle of the field.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 minutes ago, AllenLongBall said:

 

  Of course so are many other things like play calling and dropped balls. 

 

Cam Newton has alway been around a career 59.0% completion percentage guy. But last year he jumped to 68%. McCaffery also caught 107 balls out of the backfield. I'd be curious to find out the difference between Cam's average air yards per attempt from 2018 compared to his other seasons.

 

Also Cam had an MVP season completing just under 60% of his passes. So we know a QB can still dominate with a low completion percentage. That said, 52% is probably not going to cut it unless Allen is unbelievable in other areas or the defense is ridiculously good. Hopefully we see him around 58-59% this year.

[eball]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Anyone hear why Harrison Phillips was playing deep in 4th quarter?  I thought that was unusual.  

 

Cross-training at 3-tech.  They only had a couple of players available.  Joe B addressed it in his Athletic article.

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Maybe Josh should just run down the field and hand the ball to Zay from now on.   

 

That was a good throw and any average WR catches that 9.5/10 times. 

I'm a fan of Josh but trying to make that a perfect throw is ridiculous.

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That pass hit him in the hands, in stride. A mediocre NFL WR catches it 9/10 times.

You left out "in your opinion."

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

I'm a fan of Josh but trying to make that a perfect throw is ridiculous.

 

Good God man, THAT is ridiculous. That pass was where it needed to be, perfect.

 

If you're saying otherwise, I have to believe you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Allen threw the ball from the 24 yard line and it landed at the 4.

 

It was not 7-10 yards.

 

Allen exposed Jones' ribcage in the middle of the field.  YOU DON"T DO THAT!!!!

 

It's pretty common knowledge even in HS.

 

WTF...do you know even know what that means?  

This is not exposing ribs.  You're not being serious are you?  Exposing ribs is when you lead your WR into a DB and he has to reach well above his head....which leads his ribs exposed.   Common sense LOL.

 

So the 

 

This is exposing ribs. 

 

 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, the skycap said:

Yeah, should have caught, tucked and got down. DB came in with forearm after Zay knee hit. Dirty hit?

 

Borderline illegal, but doesn't seem dirty to me.

 

1 hour ago, AllenLongBall said:

 

But it was not in stride...

 

Re-watch the play. Hit him clearly in stride. If that's not a pass that should be caught 100% of the time, then the guy trying to catch it is playing the wrong sport.

 

But let's not look at it through the lens of being Bills' fans; let's get the opinion of a neutral observer:

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

That 2 yard line pass to Zay was behind him. If it's out in front it's a touchdown.

 

It was right on his hands and not an inch behind Jones.  If it was thrown in front of him it's either intercepted or Jones is rocked as he makes the catch.  That was a tremendous pass threading a narrow window down by the goal line. 

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It was not behind him.  He hit him exactly where it's supposed to go.  He had the momentum going towards the endzone and he stopped it himself when he dropped it.

If he throws it "more in the hole" as you say...that safety crushes him.  He's already lowering that shoulder.

 

 

 

Not true at all. The safety has the angle because of where the ball is placed. Zay stacked his corner. The ball should take him upfield into the end zone.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

You left out "in your opinion."

 

No, I didn't.

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

I see people at my touch football league make that catch.  That throw is fine.  It's in a place where the DB cannot make a play on the ball.

Because no one can hit them. Put a 200lbs safety in the hole and if they catch it I'd agree with you.

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Good God man, THAT is ridiculous. That pass was where it needed to be, perfect.

 

If you're saying otherwise, I have to believe you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Believe what you want. Why do I care? I came to give my opinion. IMO that was a inaccurate pass. Catchable but made it more difficult for the receiver.

Edited August 9, 2019 by CuddyDark

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Not true at all. The safety has the angle because of where the ball is placed. Zay stacked his corner. The ball should take him upfield into the end zone.

 

Cuddy...no...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

 

Believe what you want. Why do I care? I came to give my opinion. IMO that was a inaccurate pass. Catchable but made it more difficult for the receiver.

 

You enjoy being wrong? Because on this, you are.

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

The Bills QB situation - So let's start with this.... Josh Allen wasn't perfect last night and it looked like a bit of a "knock the rust off" type performance with a couple of communication breakdowns with receivers leading to incompletions. But there were a couple of plays on which he showed nice poise and good patience in the pocket. Promising start. Matt Barkley came in an had himself a nice night - 9/14 for 126 and a score and looks rock solid as the Bills backup Quarterback. How many years is it since the Bills went into camp with an incumbent starter and solid backup at the most important position that they felt good about and then had neither of them crap the bed during camp and pre-season? Encouraging.

 

 

Great summary, thanks.  I know that it is the first pre-season game and they are being careful with Allen's usage, but I really would have loved to see him get one more series. He seems like the type of player that needs to warm up and get in a groove a bit.  I really felt that if he had gotten any more series, he would have really shown what he is capable of.  Kind of like when he took that last series at the Senior Bowl and had his best drive of the day.

 

That being said, I thought he looked very good and will look even better once he consistently practices and plays with the same group of guys every day.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Because no one can hit them. No put a 200lbs safety in the hole and if they catch it I'd agree with you.

 

So basically dropped balls over the middle are acceptable because you can get hit.

[CuddyDark]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

It was right on his hands and not an inch behind Jones.  If it was thrown in front of him it's either intercepted or Jones is rocked as he makes the catch.  That was a tremendous pass threading a narrow window down by the goal line. 

The ball in that situation has to lead the WR into the endzone. Not out in front of him. He stacked the CB and was open. Wide open.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

 

Believe what you want. Why do I care? I came to give my opinion. IMO that was a inaccurate pass. Catchable but made it more difficult for the receiver.

 

if a receiver can't catch this pass, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

 

Seriously.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You enjoy being wrong? Because on this, you are.

 

 

 

If you read his posting history, your jaw will drop with some of the things he says.  Sometimes it's funny.

Just now, CuddyDark said:

The ball in that situation has to lead the WR into the endzone. Not out in front of him. He stacked the CB and was open. Wide open.

 

This is just bizarre dude....my god.  

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So basically dropped balls over the middle are acceptable because you can get hit.

Deepened on where the ball is placed. Not all dropped balls are on the WR. The QB has a duty to protect the WR and give him angles into space.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

The ball in that situation has to lead the WR into the endzone. Not out in front of him. He stacked the CB and was open. Wide open.

 

Last thing I'll say on this: pause the video at the moment the ball hits Zay's hands (basically right in front of his face mask)...you're telling me that you wanted Allen to lead him further upfield--INTO the defender that nearly took his head off?

 

You're reaching really, really far to paint this as a bad throw...and man-to-man, it's making you look a bit silly (which is unusual for you).

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Not true at all. The safety has the angle because of where the ball is placed. Zay stacked his corner. The ball should take him upfield into the end zone.

 

I mean, look at the still frame.  The safety is not even in the shot.  The ball is right on Zay's facemask.

 

He slows down once he bobbles it.  If he doesn't, it's a clean touchdown.  This is such common sense.

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Deepened on where the ball is placed. Not all dropped balls are on the WR. The QB has a duty to protect the WR and give him angles into space.

 

I just want to hear you say it.

The dropped ball yesterday was more on Allen than Zay.  I want to hear it.

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Last thing I'll say on this: pause the video at the moment the ball hits Zay's hands (basically right in front of his face mask)...you're telling me that you wanted Allen to lead him further upfield--INTO the defender that nearly took his head off?

 

You're reaching really, really far to paint this as a bad throw...and man-to-man, it's making you look a bit silly (which is unusual for you).

 

I keep bringing this up and he's just being ignorant to this.  Ignorant on purpose I hope.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[CuddyDark]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Last thing I'll say on this: pause the video at the moment the ball hits Zay's hands (basically right in front of his face mask)...you're telling me that you wanted Allen to lead him further upfield--INTO the defender that nearly took his head off?

 

You're reaching really, really far to paint this as a bad throw...and man-to-man, it's making you look a bit silly (which is unusual for you).

Pause life before you make the wrong career choice. Zay stacked the CB and was wide open. The safety was able to get to the play because of there the ball was placed. QBs make this throw easy.

[SCBills]

How are we having an actual debate about Josh Allen making a good throw to Zay Jones, that would’ve been a TD OR 1st and Goal at the 1, that ends with any conclusion other than Zay Jones dropped it. 

 

This is some Mugatu type ish.. “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills”. 

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by SCBills

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, AllenLongBall said:

 

But it was not in stride...

Yes it was, it hit his hands while in full stride! are you needing glasses ?  Do you need assistance with depth perception?  Give it a rest, you are wrong. Now go have a beer ? and collect your thoughts a bit. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[SirAndrew]

32 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I cannot believe people are actually trying to put that throw to jones on allen in the least..... its frightening to me that there are people like that on this planet.

This has happened to whoever the QB is with every Jones drop his entire career. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Pause life before you make the wrong career choice. Zay stacked the CB and was wide open. The safety was able to get to the play because of there the ball was placed. QBs make this throw easy.

 

You're simply incorrect on this, and you'd be really wise not to comment on career choices of other people--in this instance, it could end up making you look even sillier than you already do.

[CuddyDark]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I mean, look at the still frame.  The safety is not even in the shot.  The ball is right on Zay's facemask.

 

He slows down once he bobbles it.  If he doesn't, it's a clean touchdown.  This is such common sense.

 

I just want to hear you say it.

The dropped ball yesterday was more on Allen than Zay.  I want to hear it.

 

I keep bringing this up and he's just being ignorant to this.  Ignorant on purpose I hope.

Again I like Allen but I won't defend him just because. He has to actually do the things that QB's do. He made some nice throws and he made some awful throws. He also led Cole Beasley into traffic several time. Beasley won't last the season if he has to chase balls into the defenders.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Pause life before you make the wrong career choice. Zay stacked the CB and was wide open. The safety was able to get to the play because of there the ball was placed. QBs make this throw easy.

 

The safety was able to make the play because Allen hit him between the eyes....

 

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY ****

Just now, CuddyDark said:

Again I like Allen but I won't defend him just because. He has to actually do the things that QB's do. He made some nice throws and he made some awful throws. He also led Cole Beasley into traffic several time. Beasley won't last the season if he has to chase balls into the defenders.

 

You sound like you're drunk.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The safety was able to make the play because Allen hit him between the eyes....

 

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY ****

 

Clearly you are in the wrong career

 

So is Mort for that matter--and pretty much everyone else that's seen that play.

Edited August 9, 2019 by thebandit27

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The safety was able to make the play because Allen hit him between the eyes....

 

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY ****

 

Mind-boggling, no?

 

A pass that hits a receiver in stride in his hands is inaccurate.

 

 

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're simply incorrect on this, and you'd be really wise not to comment on career choices of other people--in this instance, it could end up making you look even sillier than you already do.

Don't take everything so personal. Did I say for your career? In general if we could pause anything in life we'd see how to get the perfect answer.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Mind-boggling, no?

 

A pass that hits a receiver in stride in his hands is inaccurate.

 

 

 

All you have to do is throw around a bit of football lingo like "stacks the corner" and your stance carries more weight.

[Bangarang]

This is such a preseason argument. Sloppy all around. Time to get the starters out.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Mind-boggling, no?

 

A pass that hits a receiver in stride in his hands is inaccurate.

 

 

 

I kinda want him to keep posting because it gets more bizarre.  I simply can't believe this...I really can't.  

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Mind-boggling, no?

 

A pass that hits a receiver in stride in his hands is inaccurate.

 

 

Didn't hit him in stride. He had to turn his body sideways and reach for the ball. If it was in stride it would have hit him in the right shoulder and he would have walked in to the endzone.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Don't take everything so personal. Did I say for your career? In general if we could pause anything in life we'd see how to get the perfect answer.

 

Nice cop out.  We're talking about a video, not a life choice here.

 

You can pause a video; it's easy.  It will also tell you what you're missing.  I'm honestly not sure if you're even being serious at this point.

[nucci]

9 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Deepened on where the ball is placed. Not all dropped balls are on the WR. The QB has a duty to protect the WR and give him angles into space.

Ball was right in his hands and should have been caught

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Again I like Allen but I won't defend him just because. He has to actually do the things that QB's do. He made some nice throws and he made some awful throws. He also led Cole Beasley into traffic several time. Beasley won't last the season if he has to chase balls into the defenders.

 

When did he lead Beasley into traffic?  I saw two completions to Beasley both of which hit him dead center.  On one Beasley was able to turn up field for an extra 5 yards.  I don't think he targeted him any other times?