Mitch Morse in concussion protocol

[Nextmanup]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Guy just signed the richest Center deal in the league with a history of concussions and got one the first practice with pads on.... I'd say that's a big concern. I know, I know. I'm just

being negative and Beanes a wizard.?

Needless to say, the concern here is that he has become so sensitive to concussions based on his past history, that he now is susceptible to getting them very easily.

 

Either a concussion this quickly for him is some weird aberration and he still has a high tolerance to concussions, or his career is finished b/c he gets them too easily now.

 

Time will tell us the answer.

 

 

[Misterbluesky]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Why use rational thought and logic when there's so much EMOTION to be vomited forth?

 

His wife is going to tell him to retire..just like Eric's wife did.

Kids need their dad's.

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

His wife is going to tell him to retire..just like Eric's wife did.

Kids need their dad's.

Kids need their dad's...what?

The suspense is killing me!

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone ever feel bad when a player has a serious injury and all we talk about is how it hurts the team?

 

If you go to a concert, do you worry if the lead singer has a really bad headache that night and that's why the show isn't that great?

[mjt328]

29 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

And I don't understand the people who have come to conclusions like he's done, or won't play in many games based on almost no information...

 

Much like everything with the Bills, we'll know more, when we know more!

 

 

True.  But I can also understand why many Bills fans are very worried.

 

Mitch Morse was our #1 target in Free Agency, and a HUGE piece of our rebuilding effort.  He's not really a player we can afford to lose.

 

If he went down with a leg injury and it appeared to be an ACL, everyone in Buffalo would be justifiably freaking out. 

There are people trying to downplay this, because it's "only" a concussion.  But this is 2019.  Not 1999.  Concussions have become the #1 long-term concern for professional football players, and are no longer taken as a joke.

 

The fact that suffered another one (5th recorded since entering the league) without even making it to padded practice... it really has to make you wonder about how long her can play this sport.

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by mjt328

[billsgpr88]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If you go to a concert, do you worry if the lead singer has a really bad headache that night and that's why the show isn't that great?

 

A headache won' turn you into old-age Muhammad Ali in 30 years, or worse

 

[PromoTheRobot]

25 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You're being repetitive, too.

 

Cut him some slack. It's the first thing he has to get upset over. Let him play with his new toy.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, billsgpr88 said:

 

A headache won' turn you into old-age Muhammad Ali in 30 years, or worse

 

 

I’m with you regarding concern for the players welfare, but it is their decision. I care about the person, but he signed up to play the game, and I’m concerned about my team as well. We all know it’s dangerous and you may be trading your future health and lifestyle for money today. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Does anyone worry when Gronk gets a concussion? #whatsthediff

No one could ever tell when he had one 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, billsgpr88 said:

 

A headache won' turn you into old-age Muhammad Ali in 30 years, or worse

 

 

But it might affect the rest of the band and the performance itself.  You wouldn't be concerned if that was the case though, no?  Even if his bad headache was a hangover form the drugs and booze that might turn him into an old age David Crosby in 30 years, or worse?

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No one could ever tell when he had one 

 

 

Might it have helped?  ?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

No he won't.  WEO was caught with Robert Krass but thanks for the effort.

 

 

No single post has ever captured the complete essence of a particular poster's level of intellect and sophistication as this one right here.

 

Perfection!

[Heitz]

40 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

True.  But I can also understand why many Bills fans are very worried.

 

Mitch Morse was our #1 target in Free Agency, and a HUGE piece of our rebuilding effort.  He's not really a player we can afford to lose.

 

If he went down with a leg injury and it appeared to be an ACL, everyone in Buffalo would be justifiably freaking out. 

There are people trying to downplay this, because it's "only" a concussion.  But this is 2019.  Not 1999.  Concussions have become the #1 long-term concern for professional football players, and are no longer taken as a joke.

 

The fact that suffered another one (5th recorded since entering the league) without even making it to padded practice... it really has to make you wonder about how long her can play this sport.

 

Totally with this take. 

 

All I'm saying is don't overreact either way (He's done! He's fine!), because we just don't know right now.  The good news is, eventually it's all going to play out before our eyes...

 

 

 

Also, GO BILLS!!

[billsgpr88]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

But it might affect the rest of the band and the performance itself.  You wouldn't be concerned if that was the case though, no?  Even if his bad headache was a hangover form the drugs and booze that might turn him into an old age David Crosby in 30 years, or worse?

 

I would be concerned if that Band's drum solo for their biggest hit required the drummer to repeatedly smash himself in the face with a foldable chair.

 

The drugs and booze may have inspired the songs, but they aren't a requisite of the performance itself. I want the Bills to win. Bad. But on some level, we understand these guys are risking their mental health for our entertainment. The thing that is hurting them is the very same thing that we cheer them on to do. I think this is where your analogy falls short

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Totally with this take. 

 

All I'm saying is don't overreact either way (He's done! He's fine!), because we just don't know right now.  The good news is, eventually it's all going to play out before our eyes...

 

 

 

Also, GO BILLS!!

 

Well said.  If Mitch can't be taking snaps for the 1st preseason game next Thursday then I'll start to worry.

Get better soon Mitch!

[John from Riverside]

Obviously I wish this would not have happened....and until its actually a problem for us its not a problem.

 

I do however dont want this to turn into the situation with Cog and Wood......that turned out as a disaster for us last year.

 

The thing is....I dont think that is happening....to me at worst Morse misses some games due to concussion......and we literally have 3 different guys brought in that can play center for this team.....and it can come from a reserve guard.

 

Im not worried about this yet.....we are obviously not as strong if a top NFL center misses time....but as long as he doesnt miss the season we should be ok because we biult veteran depth at the position.

[billrooter]

9 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Wow!  I know he is good, but based on that history, he warranted to be the highest paid center in the NFL?

  That was the head scratcher for me with his history of concussions as well as many others on here I am sure. Top paid money for a guy that has missed a good bit of time and not only that but could be 1-2  concussions away from done definitely hope this is extra caution being used!

Edited July 31, 2019 by billrooter

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Well said.  If Mitch can't be taking snaps for the 1st preseason game next Thursday then I'll start to worry.

Get better soon Mitch!

 

I could not care less about a preseason game, although they need to build chemistry. It’s not THIS concussion that worries me as much as when the future concussions come. Ugh....

[Greybeard]

7 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

I actually know a therapist that "cures", well, solves concussions, quickly and pretty much permanently. He has worked with many NHL players... and me! Because of legalities, therapists and order in-fighting, he sadly can't be too public, even though he was featured a few years ago in NHL.com, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia newspapers, as well as some Quebec major TV networks. I sure wished the Bills would give him a try! But their own team therapists might see him as a threat, which is dumb, since he does NOT want to be exclusive to a pro team.

            Since this was covered by the media, would you happen to have a link to a story.   I am not sure what "solves concussions" means.   I am guessing that does not mean all affects are gone or he isn't subject to problems based on multiple concussions. 

         

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

No link is not good.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/7/31/20748475/mitch-morse-in-leagues-concussion-protocol-at-buffalo-bills-training-camp

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

True.  But I can also understand why many Bills fans are very worried.

 

Mitch Morse was our #1 target in Free Agency, and a HUGE piece of our rebuilding effort.  He's not really a player we can afford to lose.

 

If he went down with a leg injury and it appeared to be an ACL, everyone in Buffalo would be justifiably freaking out. 

There are people trying to downplay this, because it's "only" a concussion.  But this is 2019.  Not 1999.  Concussions have become the #1 long-term concern for professional football players, and are no longer taken as a joke.

 

The fact that suffered another one (5th recorded since entering the league) without even making it to padded practice... it really has to make you wonder about how long her can play this sport.

 

Yes.

 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

I actually know a therapist that "cures", well, solves concussions, quickly and pretty much permanently. He has worked with many NHL players... and me! Because of legalities, therapists and order in-fighting, he sadly can't be too public,

 

 

What "legalities" would prevent this guy from going "too public"?

 

Anyway, players are free to be treated by therapists of their choosing.

[Best Player Available]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What "legalities" would prevent this guy from going "too public"?

 

 

Shrooms? 

[ColoradoBills]

52 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I could not care less about a preseason game, although they need to build chemistry. It’s not THIS concussion that worries me as much as when the future concussions come. Ugh....

 

My point was (I could of been clearer), if he's not health by then it could show the concussions have accumulated to something more serious.

[klos63]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Only takes one hit.

 

It's concerning. We do have OL depth finally though.

at Center?

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, klos63 said:

at Center?

Depends on how you define “depth” - but yes, they actually do. Both Bodine and Long have started at C extensively. That’s more depth than most teams have. But also like most teams, the depth simply isn’t as good as the starter which is why it is depth.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Depends on how you define “depth” - but yes, they actually do. Both Bodine and Long have started at C extensively. That’s more depth than most teams have. But also like most teams, the depth simply isn’t as good as the starter which is why it is depth.

 

 

Esto esta bien

[WideNine]

10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They continue to play injury arbitrage and continue to get burned by it.

 

Spend the draft capital on Tyler Biadasz C-Wisconsin next year.

Might as well start grooming for the future - and how can you miss with a name like that?

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Spend the draft capital on Tyler Biadasz C-Wisconsin next year.

Might as well start grooming for the future - and how can you miss with a name like that?

 

I don’t know what the next step might be, but I have to wonder how the Morse contract is structured and how hard it would be to move on if this becomes too crippling. Not getting down, just curious. It was clearly a gamble from Day One. I loved the idea of a seasoned vet to work with Josh, but concussions really scare me. 

[LabattBlue]

Anyone downplaying this as in "I'll worry about it when he starts missing games" has their head in the sand.  The guy missed the end of last season with a concussion issue, has had other concussion issues in the past, and now the first time they practice in pads, out he goes.  This is a major red flag about a guy who everyone thought was going to anchor the line for the next 5 years.

 

They better hope that the other centers on the roster are "average"...worst case scenario.

[Happy]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what the next step might be, but I have to wonder how the Morse contract is structured and how hard it would be to move on if this becomes too crippling. Not getting down, just curious. It was clearly a gamble from Day One. I loved the idea of a seasoned vet to work with Josh, but concussions really scare me. 

 

Looks like he's ours through the 2020 season with a potential out in 2021 out leaving $5.5M dead cap.  $26.175M of 2019-2020 is guaranteed, with $1.325M of 2021 salary guaranteed for injury.  Got this from Spotrac.  This will be an expensive mistake if he has to retire early.

 

 

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Anyone downplaying this as in "I'll worry about it when he starts missing games" has their head in the sand.  The guy missed the end of last season with a concussion issue, has had other concussion issues in the past, and now the first time they practice in pads, out he goes.  This is a major red flag about a guy who everyone thought was going to anchor the line for the next 5 years.

 

They better hope that the other centers on the roster are "average"...worst case scenario.

 

He missed 5 games last season and 9 games in 2017.  At least some of those were for concussion protocol.  Appeared to be ok before 2017.

[klos63]

44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Depends on how you define “depth” - but yes, they actually do. Both Bodine and Long have started at C extensively. That’s more depth than most teams have. But also like most teams, the depth simply isn’t as good as the starter which is why it is depth.

I guess I meant quality depth, which I don't think we have.

[Buddy Hix]

25 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what the next step might be, but I have to wonder how the Morse contract is structured and how hard it would be to move on if this becomes too crippling. Not getting down, just curious. It was clearly a gamble from Day One. I loved the idea of a seasoned vet to work with Josh, but concussions really scare me. 

Yeah, I am checking back in here to see if anybody posted his contract details. And I am down. I think this is a very bad sign.

[Helpmenow]

8 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

What? Elaborate please. How is this the doctor’s fault?

Player physical  prior to employment with the bills.  Ever had a physical before any employment dude.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Helpmenow

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

Yeah, I am checking back in here to see if anybody posted his contract details. And I am down. I think this is a very bad sign.

See Happy’s response above. 

[Buddy Hix]

13 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Looks like he's ours through the 2020 season with a potential out in 2021 out leaving $5.5M dead cap.  $26.175M of 2019-2020 is guaranteed, with $1.325M of 2021 salary guaranteed for injury.  Got this from Spotrac.  This will be an expensive mistake if he has to retire early.

 

 

 

He missed 5 games last season and 9 games in 2017.  At least some of those were for concussion protocol.  Appeared to be ok before 2017.

Yeah, just looked, 20m then 10m then 5m.

 

Everything is fine.

[billsfan89]

19 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Anyone downplaying this as in "I'll worry about it when he starts missing games" has their head in the sand.  The guy missed the end of last season with a concussion issue, has had other concussion issues in the past, and now the first time they practice in pads, out he goes.  This is a major red flag about a guy who everyone thought was going to anchor the line for the next 5 years.

 

They better hope that the other centers on the roster are "average"...worst case scenario.

 

It's a major concern, I hope this is more so a result of over caution early in camp then anything serious. 

[WideNine]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what the next step might be, but I have to wonder how the Morse contract is structured and how hard it would be to move on if this becomes too crippling. Not getting down, just curious. It was clearly a gamble from Day One. I loved the idea of a seasoned vet to work with Josh, but concussions really scare me. 

 

The concussions were my primary concern with Morse, and I wondered with his injury history if there were any performance clauses structured into the deal (X number of games played, etc.). 

 

Concussions come easier and easier each time, till a love tap sends a player into protocol. I really like Mitch as a player, and he plays the game the way you want a player on your team to play the game and I am sure he is the kind of guy that will lay it on the line for his team, but it would be prudent for the Bills to be thinking about grooming their center of the future.

 

If Mitch can stay healthy for a few years then you have a bit of runway to get the next guy ready to go, and Biadasz was considered a generational talent at center and would have gone Rd 1 or 2 this year, but decided to play out his last year for the Badgers. I wish the best for Morse, but if Allen is our QB of the future, then ensuring we have him behind a solid center and o-line needs to remain a priority.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Looks like he's ours through the 2020 season with a potential out in 2021 out leaving $5.5M dead cap.  $26.175M of 2019-2020 is guaranteed, with $1.325M of 2021 salary guaranteed for injury.  Got this from Spotrac.  This will be an expensive mistake if he has to retire early.

 

 

 

He missed 5 games last season and 9 games in 2017.  At least some of those were for concussion protocol.  Appeared to be ok before 2017.

The 5 last season were concussion related. Prior to that, he didn’t experience any since 2015.

[US Egg]

I was assailed in here by someone who railed against my supporting Morse signing for big money here because of his injury past.

 

I did not realize his concussion history. To whoever it was, I was wrong....and so was Beane.

Edited August 1, 2019 by I am the egg man

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I guess I meant quality depth, which I don't think we have.

“Quality depth” is kind of a misnomer, especially on the OL in the nfl, where a lot of teams don’t even have quality starters. But having not one, but two other players who started at C all of last season is actually considered quality depth. I personally prefer neither of them start at C for the Bills, but can’t say they don’t have a plan B - which is never the same as plan A unless you are perhaps playing more than one guy a giant contract at the same position (?)

Edited August 1, 2019 by YoloinOhio