PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: I know, right? I'm just over here clutching my pearls. Don't worry about me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I was wondering this as well. Given his injury history I feel center might be a very high priority in the upcoming draft. 56 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: How bad is his contract... potentially for us going forward if he really ends up out for a while? From OTC Current Contract (?: indicates contract trigger occuring during that year) Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $25,100,000 $11,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,000,000 $400,000 $9,400,000 $44,187,500 2019 26 $4,400,000 $2,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $7,400,000 $10,937,500 5.8% $20,400,000 ($9,462,500) 2020 ? 27 $6,775,000 $2,750,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $2,000,000 $11,625,000 5.8% $10,250,000 $1,375,000 2021 28 $7,025,000 $2,750,000 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $10,375,000 -- $5,500,000 $4,875,000 2022 ? 29 $6,900,000 $2,750,000 $1,000,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $11,250,000 -- $2,750,000 $8,500,000 Looks like we could dump him in 2020 with savings of $1.375M and he savings go up each year... but this year hes our's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I began mine last year, looks like i have to expand my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, rayray808 said: just talked to my cousin Cleo, she said that it's mainly precautionary and not a huge concern There you have it, folks! Ms. Cleo’s Tarot Cards say Blue Skies ahead. Nothing to worry about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I'm concerned. Concussions are not a good thing - for the team or the individual. And Morse was someone I was counting on to improve our OL play. I wonder how serious this concussion is. And I wonder how it might cause him to reflect about retiring. But I'm not convinced the sky is falling. A concussion is not the end of the world. In the old days, players got their 'bell rung' all the time and kept playing. We're smarter now with fears of CTE and all that. But for many players, lives and careers continue on just fine after a concussion. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's ridiculous that this is even talked about right now. Hopefully this is not a worrisome issue but it would look absolutely awful on McBeane if this guy struggles to play all year due to concussions. The question was asked, and it's worth putting up the information so at the very least if it's being discussed, it's being discussed with the actual facts and figures rather than guess work. Honestly with a guy with his injury history, I don't think it's ever too early to discuss potential exit strategy from their contract, just in case. On another forum leading up to the draft I was advocating for the Bills to draft a Center in the 2nd or 3rd round, just in case. Worst case you have the C play OG and be a center in case of emergency... but if emergency comes, wouldn't you rather have a guy ready to go? Long can do spot duty but no one wants him to be a center long term, his grading there versus OG is starkly different. It's always worth a discussion... but I don't think anyone is beating the drum for cutting him man. But a discussion of "what if" is worth being had.... hell what if he decides it's not worth it to him to keep playing with all these injuries and retires after the year? We still need to know how that will impact us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Does anyone worry when Gronk gets a concussion? #whatsthediff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, eball said: "Not good" is an understatement. That was the primary concern with this guy coming in. Oh boy... There IS a history here, and this is a HUGE Deal. Hope he gets better, but this is real IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Lol at how many posts about cutting him and the savings and dead cap hits. BEFORE HE HAS EVEN PLAYED A GAME. Goodness gracious, get him and Kroft out of here they have previous injury concerns. No wonder they made it to free agency. Fire Beane. He was asleep at the wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 is he dead yet? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Lol at how many posts about cutting him and the savings and dead cap hits. BEFORE HE HAS EVEN PLAYED A GAME. Goodness gracious, get him and Kroft out of here they have previous injury concerns. No wonder they made it to free agency. Fire Beane. He was asleep at the wheel I’m not sure anyone is advocating for cutting him now or taking the sky is falling approach as you suggest. That isn’t even a realistic discussion at this point. A very realistic discussion, however, is talking about center prospects in the upcoming draft. If Morse cannot stay healthy you need to replace him with someone a bit more reliable than a journeyman free agent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Does anyone worry when Gronk gets a concussion? #whatsthediff I think the big difference is that Centers' heads collide with others' heads on nearly every play. If Luke Keuchly was a center, he'd be dead by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 The spleen, check the spleen STAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, teef said: is he dead yet? #worst FAever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: The spleen, check the spleen STAT! I dunno about the spleen but there's real cause for concern here, we're talking about an injury to the brain and 8 out of 10 doctors say the brain is one of the most important parts of the human body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Which is why I'm saying it's ridiculous... the guy was just signed to a very rich deal.... a FA signing doesn't look good on Beane once again. I think I misinterpreted your post as you saying it's ridiculous people would even be discussing this to begin with this quickly. Not that you were saying it's ridiculous that we paid that kind of money for a guy and it's already an issue to be discussed. We're on the same page now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: This was the big risk with Morse, can't stay healthy. I hope the guy can get healthy and contribute but I would seriously consider my life outside of football if I was having a recurring concussion issue, especially after signing his big deal. So basically, he didn't make it out of the 1st 2 days of camp?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Which is why I'm saying it's ridiculous... the guy was just signed to a very rich deal.... a FA signing doesn't look good on Beane once again. Trollers gotta troll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: So basically, he didn't make it out of the 1st 2 days of camp?? Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's ridiculous that this is even talked about right now. Hopefully this is not a worrisome issue but it would look absolutely awful on McBeane if this guy struggles to play all year due to concussions. 25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Which is why I'm saying it's ridiculous... the guy was just signed to a very rich deal.... a FA signing doesn't look good on Beane once again. There it is. Just like clockwork. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think the big difference is that Centers' heads collide with others' heads on nearly every play. If Luke Keuchly was a center, he'd be dead by now. People like Keuchly have more impactful hits than Morse. Morse is lined up with his guy, Keuchly comes in running a lot. According to the Washington Post, cornerbacks and WR get the most concussions. 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: There it is. Just like clockwork. Yep. I knew that he would reply with something like this soon. I mean, you just know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: People like Keuchly have more impactful hits than Morse. Morse is lined up with his guy, Keuchly comes in running a lot. According to the Washington Post, cornerbacks and WR get the most concussions. I'd agree that CBs and WRs get the most concussions that rock their worlds to where they need help walking. But I still think the constant head-to-head contact by linemen is more dangerous, even though we might not see them sitting on the field crying for their moms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yep. I knew that he would reply with something like this soon. I mean, you just know. The rest of the gang will be around shortly. The bat signal has been sent. And with so little negative news six days into camp, it should be a banner rag session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I swear there was just a debate over the concussion concerns being overrated. Head injuries should never be underrated. He literally could get touched the wrong way and it could cause a concussion. Very good player but this is terrible news. The other thing you have to think about is what his family starts to think. Is it worth it any more? Sad. Probably not. Sucks because he is a good player but that was a worrisome history. He just signed a 40 million dollar contact and probably wants to collect If he retired he will not see the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He just signed a 40 million dollar contact and probably wants to collect If he retired he will not see the majority To be entirely fair, if he has another concussion and his doctors think he should retire, and he thinks he should retire, he's better off walking away from $30M than playing and suffering the consequences ... it's not like he isn't set for life as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Should of paid the other guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Any idea of what centers could be available if they don’t like what they get from Long/Feliciano? I don’t think they would but who knows. I think if this does become a longer term issue, they move Ford to Guard to strengthen the interior, Nsekhe to RT, and then Feliciano and Long battle for center. I don’t think Bodine sticks around regardless. He’s maybe our 6th best interior lineman (Morse, Spain, Long, Feliciano, Teller). I’m just happy because I feel like they have the depth to make up for his loss at least for a short time. I also think Feliciano could be a dark horse for the starting center gig. Edited July 31, 2019 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: The rest of the gang will be around shortly. The bat signal has been sent. And with so little negative news six days into camp, it should be a banner rag session. Oh no....they're almost here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Should of paid the other guy. Hey, got a question for you: Think the Bills did a medical exam on him before giving him a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, MR8 said: To be entirely fair, if he has another concussion and his doctors think he should retire, and he thinks he should retire, he's better off walking away from $30M than playing and suffering the consequences ... it's not like he isn't set for life as it is. That is also entirely true. But as someone who played, coached and scouted for 30 years you understand the risks of the game If his doctors say he NEEDS to retire, go for it. If he is still able , he probably wants to play because he is a football player and that what they do They play till they are broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: That is also entirely true. But as someone who played, coached and scouted for 30 years you understand the risks of the game If his doctors say he NEEDS to retire, go for it. If he is still able , he probably wants to play because he is a football player and that what they do They play till they are broken This entire post reads as you just wanting to talk about you... My point is the guy will leave money on the table if it's whats best for his long term health. So how much money is left on the contract is irrelevant. If you are trying to make the argument that football players love to play and play for precisely that, the love of playing, yeah I get that, and the fact that he's still playing after multiple concussions is largely an example of both that and his desire to get his big pay day he had coming... HOWEVER there is a point when your health and life outside football trumps football & money... Where that is for Morse, who knows... but it could be next year, could be 2 years, could be 10 years. All depends on how many more injuries he sustains, how his body feels, how he plays, and what He, his family & Doctors think... My point is we cant predict any of that... so feasibly he could go out week 1 take a good shot to the head, and hang em up before week 2... or he could play until he's 37. So it's a legitimate thing to discuss that he could get to a point sooner rather than later where he wants to hang em up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, K-9 said: There it is. Just like clockwork. I'm sure he is absolutely giddy about this news. He gets to post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MR8 said: This entire post reads as you just wanting to talk about you... My point is the guy will leave money on the table if it's whats best for his long term health. So how much money is left on the contract is irrelevant. If you are trying to make the argument that football players love to play and play for precisely that, the love of playing, yeah I get that, and the fact that he's still playing after multiple concussions is largely an example of both that and his desire to get his big pay day he had coming... HOWEVER there is a point when your health and life outside football trumps football & money... Where that is for Morse, who knows... but it could be next year, could be 2 years, could be 10 years. All depends on how many more injuries he sustains, how his body feels, how he plays, and what He, his family & Doctors think... My point is we cant predict any of that... so feasibly he could go out week 1 take a good shot to the head, and hang em up before week 2... or he could play until he's 37. So it's a legitimate thing to discuss that he could get to a point sooner rather than later where he wants to hang em up. I could care less about me , I just know how the game works He's a football player who should love the game. Every player gets hurt. It's a prerequisite If he actually thought he was 1 concussion from retiring he should have hung them up and preserved his health because it is more than likely coming every player knows the Risks , especially lineman Edited July 31, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I could care less about me He's a football player who should love the game. Every player gets hurt. It's a prerequisite If he actually thought he was 1 concussion from retiring he should have hung them up and preserved his health because it is more than likely coming every player knows the Risks , especially lineman Okay but what if he thought he was fine, but the next concussion changes his mind? Are you saying you know 100% what's going through the man's mind? Or what will be going through his mind if he gets hurt again? Did you know when we signed Asiata he was going to retire? I'm pretty sure when he signed the deal like 4 days ago he thought he was gonna play football... then changed his mind on a dime. Look the point I'm making is you don't know... I don't know... no one knows... Morse doesn't necessarily even know what will go through his mind if he gets another concussion... these things change guys minds on playing quickly... we've seen a rash of YOUNG players just suddenly walk away because they see the potential losses in quality of life after football. You can make all the tough guy talk comments you want about "football players play football and know the risks" etc... but it's being proven now with guys walking away from big contracts that money and football aren't the end all be all for these guys anymore. There certainly is love and passion for the game, but there's also an eye to quality of life after the game. That's where the risks you mention and the rewards of money, playing the game you love, glory of winning etc. get weighed out and sometimes the risks simply don't out weigh the rewards. Only he can decide that... pretending you know what he thinks is just silly, unless you're Mitch Morse and you didn't tell anyone... In which case, get your ass back to camp and stop posting on a damn message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I could be wrong, but my guess is, if this was the regular season, he would be playing and no one would even know he had a concussion. Best to take precaution in training camp, but I guarantee many concussions still go unreported every week in the NFL. I don't believe that the teams the can decide to put not put a player in concussion protocol during games. I believe that's a league call. I think the doctor who's on call for concussions is not a team employee so he's independent. 3 hours ago, AllensBigBalls said: What would be the positive spin on this I wonder? Signing an injury prone player and he gets hurt on the 4th day in camp with an injury related to the injury prone concerns. This is almost as bad as Holcomb slipping on the mat, then later falling in the shower and whacking his head then having to retire. Can't help but feel like this player is damaged goods, and may never be able to be counted upon to be available. This is very bad news, not to be swept under the rug IMO. 3 hours ago, Trogdor said: Kelly Holcomb, gone too soon. Probably the craziest way to lose a QB lol. It was Kevin Kolb in 2013 not Kelly Holcomb who tripped on the mat and having to retire -- unless that also happened to Holcomb earlier. Edited July 31, 2019 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, MR8 said: Okay but what if he thought he was fine, but the next concussion changes his mind? Are you saying you know 100% what's going through the man's mind? Or what will be going through his mind if he gets hurt again? Did you know when we signed Asiata he was going to retire? I'm pretty sure when he signed the deal like 4 days ago he thought he was gonna play football... then changed his mind on a dime. Look the point I'm making is you don't know... I don't know... no one knows... Morse doesn't necessarily even know what will go through his mind if he gets another concussion... these things change guys minds on playing quickly... we've seen a rash of YOUNG players just suddenly walk away because they see the potential losses in quality of life after football. You can make all the tough guy talk comments you want about "football players play football and know the risks" etc... but it's being proven now with guys walking away from big contracts that money and football aren't the end all be all for these guys anymore. There certainly is love and passion for the game, but there's also an eye to quality of life after the game. That's where the risks you mention and the rewards of money, playing the game you love, glory of winning etc. get weighed out and sometimes the risks simply don't out weigh the rewards. Only he can decide that... pretending you know what he thinks is just silly, unless you're Mitch Morse and you didn't tell anyone... In which case, get your ass back to camp and stop posting on a damn message board JUST TO BE CLEAR I AM NOT CALLING MORSE SOFT, OR CALLING HIM OUT. Concussions are very serious , I lost playing football to them I originally said if he wanted 45 million he signed for he would keep playing.. that's a lot of change If he suffers 2-3 more concussions in a shorter span of course that would be no good and he should consider hanging them up for his health But protocol in camp can easily be a precaution. If he had a severe concussion they would know fairly quickly Though minor concussions can still have long term effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, ******* said: Not good...... BIG efff word. I actually had that thought about concussion when someone maybe 81 was mentioning 3 days off and concern. Yesterday or this morning. concusions are THE major risk with him. He might be forced to Eric wood at any moment. I sure hope long is decent. Good centers are hard to fine and make a lot of difference Edited July 31, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Is it me or do the Bills have bad luck in training camp?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He just signed a 40 million dollar contact and probably wants to collect If he retired he will not see the majority So given some of the stuff we’ve seen with some these athletes ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Players_of_American_football_who_committed_suicide )should it be all about the money? Definitely makes for an interesting discussion. its super early but some fans are seriously underestimating how devastating concussions can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So given some of the stuff we’ve seen with some these athletes ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Players_of_American_football_who_committed_suicide )should it be all about the money? Definitely makes for an interesting discussion. its super early but some fans are seriously underestimating how devastating concussions can be. I know they are devastating. But 40 million dollars will change a family's life for a few generations. Life is a risk reward, give take... It's worth it to some, others not FYI I will probably give my brain for cte research when I pass so I understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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