Jets trade Darron Lee to Chiefs

[eball]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Unbelievable trade. Truly unbelievable. Gase flexing his muscles. He'll go down with the ship.

 

Cue @ScottLaw with some iteration of “McD is no better” in 3...2...1...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

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40 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Cue @ScottLaw with some iteration of “McD is no better” in 3...2...1...

 

I like this.

[HOUSE]

9 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

This is great!

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

What are we gonna get for Shaq?

Probably better than a 6th.

7 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

This is a bad, bad, bad trade. Yes, Buffalo traded Dareus for a sixth, but it's because the previous regime overpaid a clearly unmotivated Dareus.

 

Lee was only making a shade over 2 per... there was nothing to be gained selling him low.

I think we ended up getting a 5th for Dareus due to conditions being met.

 

Just checked and it did become a 5th.

Edited May 16, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

Not gonna lie, I wish the Bills had given a 5th rounder for Lee. I think he'd be great as a Will in McDermott's defense. Oh well.

 Better than Milano? If you want him as a backup, you are giving up a 5th for a backup who would be a one year rental because he’s a FA this year. Then there his drug problem. I wouldn’t go near him if I’m the Bills. I think the chiefs actually need him to start (until he’s suspended again)

Edited May 16, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Lined up as a FB. Please get rid of DiMarco

Hopefully we start using DiMarco.  Hes hasnt been anything I thought he would be when originally signed.

 

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So, Ian, if I can call you Ian, what the ***** exactly constitutes first round talent? This is the most idiotic of twits.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

8 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

This is a bad, bad, bad trade. Yes, Buffalo traded Dareus for a sixth, but it's because the previous regime overpaid a clearly unmotivated Dareus.

 

Lee was only making a shade over 2 per... there was nothing to be gained selling him low.

He was played out of position by the Jets.  As indicated in another post, he could be a weak side backer in a 4-3.  It looks like Gase is pulling the same thing he did in Miami.  Get rid of good players that he doesn't like and put inferior talent on the field.  Just another sad chapter in Jets football.

[billsbackto81]

Lee was never a difference maker or game-changer against the Bills. For that reason alone I will miss him. Too small to be effective as a run defender and average in pass coverage. 

Like Lawson he was overdrafted.

 

Edited May 16, 2019 by billsbackto81

[YoloinOhio]

30 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, Ian, if I can call you Ian, what the ***** exactly constitutes first round talent? This is the most idiotic of twits.

He ran a fast 40 and was good in college. He played the same role that guys like shazier and devin bush played (viper) which is highly desirable to have a sideline to sideline guy who can cover and blitz. That said he never should have gone that high for a few reasons. He only played the LB position for 2 years before he went to the nfl. He was a converted ... wait for it... quarterback. I think he lacks the LB mentality and instincts, not to mention the size needed in the nfl. I believe he will be better in a different scheme, but have a lot of concern about him having long term nfl success. He has a lot of issues off the field and I think they affect him on the field 

[SoTier]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

That 4th was involved in moving up to nab Dawson Knox. 

The 5th he got for McCarron was used to get Ford.

He got a 2nd for Sammy Watkins , 3rd for Darby which basically got us Allen and Edmunds. 

Beane is THE MAN!!

 

And all those great moves got the Bills 6 wins in 2018.  If the team doesn't do significantly better on the field, then Beane will be no better than the duds who preceded him in the Bills FO.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

46 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, Ian, if I can call you Ian, what the ***** exactly constitutes first round talent? This is the most idiotic of twits.

Is it ‘EEE-in’, or is it ‘EEN’?  ?

[Ittakestime]

This will end up like the Corey Coleman trade.  Won't be shocked if Lee doesn't even make team.  He is just too small to play the type of game he has been coached up to do his whole life.  He is essentially a 3rd safety (Mark Barron), but still thinks he is a Ray Lewis LB.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

He was played out of position by the Jets.  As indicated in another post, he could be a weak side backer in a 4-3.  It looks like Gase is pulling the same thing he did in Miami.  Get rid of good players that he doesn't like and put inferior talent on the field.  Just another sad chapter in Jets football.

 

How is this different from McDermott and Beane?   McDermott didn't like Watkins, and he was traded and replaced by Benjamin.  McDermott didn't like Dareus, and he was replaced, eventually, by Loutelei.   McDermott didn't like Taylor, and McDermott attempted to replace him with Peterman in 2017, and then did see him replaced by Peterman in 2018.  While there wasn't any indication that McDermott didn't like Glenn per se, certainly he was deemed expendable and was replaced by Dawkins who played poorly enough as a sophomore that there's realistic questions about his role on the 2019 team.

 

I don't think that Bills fans should laugh too much at the Jests and their fans because the Bills have done nothing in 20 years to demonstrate that they are in any way a competent organization. The currrent Bills regime hasn't yet proven their competence either.

Edited May 16, 2019 by SoTier

[Doc]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

And all those great moves got the Bills 6 wins in 2018.  If the team doesn't do significantly better on the field, then Beane will be no better than the duds who preceded him in the Bills FO.

 

No, they didn't get the Bills 6 wins.  What got them 6 wins was clearing cap space and having little on offense.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Doc

[NewCastleFanBills]

I wouldn't have minded Buffalo giving up a 6th for Lee, as a back up and special team player, he could have brought a bit of a nastiness to the D and ST.

[SoTier]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, they didn't get the Bills 6 wins.  What got them 6 wins was clearing cap space and having little on offense.

 

Yada yada.  The Bills have been blaming the salary cap for their on-field woes  -- and their fans have been accepting that excuse -- for twenty years.  You can continue to buy it if you want, but I'm no longer buying the BS the Bills are selling.  Either they produce on the field or McDermott and Beane deserve to go the way of all the other failed Bills HCs and GMs over the last twenty years.   I'm not going to lionize McDermott and Beane for drafting Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford or any of the other youngsters until those players prove themselves on the field, either.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, NewCastleFanBills said:

I wouldn't have minded Buffalo giving up a 6th for Lee, as a back up and special team player, he could have brought a bit of a nastiness to the D and ST.

He’s soft. I don’t think he’s the type of player who brings that. I also don’t think Gase would trade him in the division if he had another option. 

[Doc]

Just now, SoTier said:

Yada yada.  The Bills have been blaming the salary cap for their on-field woes  -- and their fans have been accepting that excuse -- for twenty years.  You can continue to buy it if you want, but I'm no longer buying the BS the Bills are selling.  Either they produce on the field or McDermott and Beane deserve to go the way of all the other failed Bills HCs and GMs over the last twenty years.   I'm not going to lionize McDermott and Beane for drafting Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford or any of the other youngsters until those players prove themselves on the field, either.

 

You sound miserable.  Why bother subjecting yourself to this?

[Logic]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 Better than Milano? If you want him as a backup, you are giving up a 5th for a backup who would be a one year rental because he’s a FA this year. Then there his drug problem. I wouldn’t go near him if I’m the Bills. I think the chiefs actually need him to start (until he’s suspended again)

Better than? Nope. I just feel the Bills have abhorrent depth at linebacker, even after the drafting of Joseph. With our defense employing fast, undersized guys at the position, injuries are always a concern to me.

I also feel that Darron Lee is exactly the type of linebacker, in terms of playing style and athletic traits, that McDermott could make highly effective. He could back up all three spots. I suppose, if all goes well, that that's what Joseph could do, as well. Here's hoping Joseph turns into a real player.

At the end of the day, McDermott/Beane seem to be the type that like to bet on high round, athletic talent that were misused/underused. If given the chance, I bet they could've turned Lee into a productive player. 

In any case, I wonder if Lee's addition and the switch to a 4-3 defense in KC means they release Ragland.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Gase wastes no time. Lee definitively not his type. 

 

Why do I feel Beane is currently scrutinizing a list of the Jets player personnel to see if there are any other guys he could at fire sale?

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

12 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

What a MESS their 2016 draft was:

 

1st rounder – Traded for a 6th
2nd rounder – Traded for a conditional 7th (TBD)

To be fair, our 2016 draft is pretty much a nothingburger too

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, Logic said:

Better than? Nope. I just feel the Bills have abhorrent depth at linebacker, even after the drafting of Joseph. With our defense employing fast, undersized guys at the position, injuries are always a concern to me.

I also feel that Darron Lee is exactly the type of linebacker, in terms of playing style and athletic traits, that McDermott could make highly effective. He could back up all three spots. I suppose, if all goes well, that that's what Joseph could do, as well. Here's hoping Joseph turns into a real player.

At the end of the day, McDermott/Beane seem to be the type that like to bet on high round, athletic talent that were misused/underused. If given the chance, I bet they could've turned Lee into a productive player. 

In any case, I wonder if Lee's addition and the switch to a 4-3 defense in KC means they release Ragland.

 

I would take Joseph all day over Lee, jmo. Plus a 5th for a backup who will be gone next year is a waste of an asset. I guess if he became good they would pay him,  but not sure how much he would play. He’s not really a McD type. 

Edited May 16, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

And all those great moves got the Bills 6 wins in 2018.  If the team doesn't do significantly better on the field, then Beane will be no better than the duds who preceded him in the Bills FO.

Well even as a very optimistic fan , I knew deep down last year would be rough. We lead the league in dead cap by like 30 mil compared to the next team but we got alot of young guys playing time. The vision was always that we'd start really being a force in the upcoming season and we're built for long term success because these moves. 

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What?

 

Beane is a top 5 GM. I read it here. 

 

Are you and this guy the same person or just like uhh...spending time together?

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Yada yada.  The Bills have been blaming the salary cap for their on-field woes  -- and their fans have been accepting that excuse -- for twenty years.  You can continue to buy it if you want, but I'm no longer buying the BS the Bills are selling.  Either they produce on the field or McDermott and Beane deserve to go the way of all the other failed Bills HCs and GMs over the last twenty years.   I'm not going to lionize McDermott and Beane for drafting Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford or any of the other youngsters until those players prove themselves on the field, either.

 

 

 

I don’t have any issue with a fan adopting a “show me” attitude.  That’s where I stand.  But you can’t blame the failures of past regimes on this one.  You can question their moves, including the salary cap/player purge, their selections, etc. but only the ones they’re actually responsible for - and it’s only fair to take into consideration the circumstances they inherited.  Personally I haven’t loved all of their moves (but I have loved some of them), but there does seem to be a plan being executed (even if I haven’t liked parts of it).  How about starting with giving them credit for the moves you think are good?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To be fair, our 2016 draft is pretty much a nothingburger too

 

I can't argue from our current team POV, but it has to be viewed against the drumbeat of "regime and scheme change"

Through last season anyway, 4 of the guys had shown they could play in the NFL, their talents just weren't a good match (at all) for McDermott's scheme.

 

The overall success rate of guys drafted in the first 3 rounds is something like 30-35%, where success means "a guy who can play in the NFL", not a star.

As of right now, Washington is still looking for NFL work (or maybe not looking for NFL work?), and Kevon Seymour is a question after he spent last season on IR.

But Ragland and Lawson are still playing, Ragland for a contender.  2/3 for the first 3 rounds is good.

 

Our problem on the Bills is that due to constant regime change and (in my opinion) poor roster management of the guys who do prove out, we're constantly fielding unrealistic expectations for how many of our draftees will contribute and how much they'll contribute.  We've expected starters and stars out of the first 3 rounds, and from their first season, because that's what we've needed.  But that usually doesn't happen.

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

You sound miserable.  Why bother subjecting yourself to this?

 

Great, great question.  A lot of Bills "fans" seem to want people to talk them out of being mad at the Bills...hugely attention seeking/needy.

28 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Are you and this guy the same person or just like uhh...spending time together?

 

Same person.  Real name:  Mike Schopp.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To be fair, our 2016 draft is pretty much a nothingburger too

 

.......and that is why that GM is no longer with them.

[YoloinOhio]

Savvy. Let’s offer a 4th for Robbie Anderson.

 

 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

To be fair, our 2016 draft is pretty much a nothingburger too

 

which may be why the GM from 2016 is not with the Bills either?

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

4 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

How is this different from McDermott and Beane?   McDermott didn't like Watkins, and he was traded and replaced by Benjamin.  McDermott didn't like Dareus, and he was replaced, eventually, by Loutelei.   McDermott didn't like Taylor, and McDermott attempted to replace him with Peterman in 2017, and then did see him replaced by Peterman in 2018.  While there wasn't any indication that McDermott didn't like Glenn per se, certainly he was deemed expendable and was replaced by Dawkins who played poorly enough as a sophomore that there's realistic questions about his role on the 2019 team.

 

I don't think that Bills fans should laugh too much at the Jests and their fans because the Bills have done nothing in 20 years to demonstrate that they are in any way a competent organization. The currrent Bills regime hasn't yet proven their competence either.

I agree that Bills fans should not be laughing too much. because our past results have not been good either.  I think the Jets situation is a bit different.  Watkins was truly a bust by most accounts. He wasn't durable and was not worth the price.  It was the right decision to let him walk.  He has done very little with the Rams or the Chiefs.  He was a good young guy but missed too many games.  Cordy Glenn had injury issues as well and is on the downward slope of his career.  Cordy was a high priced guy that couldn't be depended upon to be on the field.  He was hurt a lot. He didn't exactly tear it up in Cincinnati.  Dareus was an overpaid, under performing player.  His behavior was a problem.  In Jacksonville, he has been mainly a rotational player but clearly not worth the value of his contract.  The common thread here is there was not enough value vs. the salary cost.  Lee doesn't fit this same pattern.  My point was that Gase has a history of having bad relationships within an organization (got him fired in Miami) and got rid of decent players for less than good reasons.  Furthermore, Gase is alleged to have made comments that Bell and Mosley aren't worth the value of their contracts.  Not the way to start building a working relationship with the guys that are likely to be the cornerstones and leaders of the offense and defense.  The Jets seem to be mired in this kind of crap frequently.  It goes beyond just having a bad team like previous Bills teams.

 

 

[billsfan89]

They will probably platoon Ragland and Lee. Ragland is a thumper on early downs and Lee will come in on passing downs 

[TigerJ]

Adam Gase does it because he can.

[4merper4mer]

18 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

.......and that is why that GM is no longer with them.

There are reasons Whaley is gone but being forced to draft crappy players for a failed scheme isn't one of them.  It is very clear that Rex got what he wanted in that draft.

[CEN-CAL17]

On 5/16/2019 at 5:14 AM, formerlyofCtown said:

Probably better than a 6th.

 

 

Really? He is going to walk after this year and the Bills will get zero in return.

[Zerovoltz]

On 5/15/2019 at 8:32 PM, Just Joshin' said:

Never thought much of Lee, makes sense for Jets.  Not sure why KC wants him even for a 6th.

 

KC had A TON of roster turnover on D this offseason.  Our D has sucked and they blew it up.  In doing so, the one area that got kind of left out is the LB position.  KC has Anthony Hitchens, who they were talking about moving to the weakside (where he DOES NOT BELONG), Ragland in the middle....(The Ragland experiment hasn't worked.  He can't cover, and maybe he'd be a decent thumber in an all down hill role, but last season the KC d asked the LB to diagnose, then move.  ALL our LB struggled with this to be fair)  And then Dorrien O Daniel....a 4th round tweener type we drafted out of Clemson last year...who looked promising when he did play.  We signed a scrub/cast away from Dallas that also plays WLB named something Wilson....truly an afterthought JAG type...and we didn't draft one.  It is BY FAR the shallowest positon grouping of the KC defense.  a 6th Rounder for Lee, who may fit better AND allow Hitchens to be the MLB (where he belongs) is actually a big deal for KC...cost pennies to add this guy who is supposedly good in coverage and will play a postion he's more suited to play.  

 

On 5/15/2019 at 11:14 PM, Logic said:

Not gonna lie, I wish the Bills had given a 5th rounder for Lee. I think he'd be great as a Will in McDermott's defense. Oh well.

 

If the Jets to a 6th from KC, they would have taken a 6th from the Bills...no offesne...but the Bills 6th is going to be a better pick than KC's sixth...wich will be a late 6th.

 

Also....I've said it a few other places here, but Ragland has not worked out.  The injury maybe or the crap scheme...both combined...he's looked slow AND lost...a great combo.  If he can't win the starting MLB job...he is of no use for us and will likely be released.  Good on Beane to get that 4 out of us.(KC)

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

KC had A TON of roster turnover on D this offseason.  Our D has sucked and they blew it up.  In doing so, the one area that got kind of left out is the LB position.  KC has Anthony Hitchens, who they were talking about moving to the weakside (where he DOES NOT BELONG), Ragland in the middle....(The Ragland experiment hasn't worked.  He can't cover, and maybe he'd be a decent thumber in an all down hill role, but last season the KC d asked the LB to diagnose, then move.  ALL our LB struggled with this to be fair)  And then Dorrien O Daniel....a 4th round tweener type we drafted out of Clemson last year...who looked promising when he did play.  We signed a scrub/cast away from Dallas that also plays WLB named something Wilson....truly an afterthought JAG type...and we didn't draft one.  It is BY FAR the shallowest positon grouping of the KC defense.  a 6th Rounder for Lee, who may fit better AND allow Hitchens to be the MLB (where he belongs) is actually a big deal for KC...cost pennies to add this guy who is supposedly good in coverage and will play a postion he's more suited to play.  

 

 

If the Jets to a 6th from KC, they would have taken a 6th from the Bills...no offesne...but the Bills 6th is going to be a better pick than KC's sixth...wich will be a late 6th.

 

Also....I've said it a few other places here, but Ragland has not worked out.  The injury maybe or the crap scheme...both combined...he's looked slow AND lost...a great combo.  If he can't win the starting MLB job...he is of no use for us and will likely be released.  Good on Beane to get that 4 out of us.(KC)

It’s possible the Bills 6th is higher but by the time you get to that round who cares -  but the Bills don’t need him (nor would they want him) and the jets weren’t trading him in the division. 

[Zerovoltz]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s possible the Bills 6th is higher but by the time you get to that round who cares -  but the Bills don’t need him (nor would they want him) and the jets weren’t trading him in the division. 

 

It's possible I'll get struck by lightning during my date with scarlett johansen...but not likely.  Same applies to the question of which team will be picking lower/higher in the draft.

[Logic]

15 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

If the Jets to a 6th from KC, they would have taken a 6th from the Bills...no offesne...but the Bills 6th is going to be a better pick than KC's sixth...wich will be a late 6th.

 

Also....I've said it a few other places here, but Ragland has not worked out.  The injury maybe or the crap scheme...both combined...he's looked slow AND lost...a great combo.  If he can't win the starting MLB job...he is of no use for us and will likely be released.  Good on Beane to get that 4 out of us.(KC)

Except that the Jetss are our division rivals. There is ABSOLUTELY reason to believe that they'd ask a higher price from a team they play twice a year than from a team in the AFC West.

Also, I expect you'll still be hanging around our boards and touting your Chiefs if/when they regress this year and barely secure a Wild Card spot?

Edited May 19, 2019 by Logic